Coach Do you still have any faith in Bevo? [POLL]

[Libba39]

I think that is the point some are highlighting…I get we’ve been tied up in some drafts but we’ve had how many years to get the right players in? Instead we hold onto our very late first rounder like it’s the child of Christ and refuse to give up any good picks for good players, hoping we can swindle other sides and get all the players we need for third rounders.

Wait, so is it the coaching or the list management as there seems to be some confusion here.

Perhaps this thread should be split into two, or three separate ones, that way everyone can be perfectly aligned with their own personal Lost Faith in Bevo thread that suits their standpoint, because there are a LOT.

Or how about about we go all-out and call it the Mega-Bevo-Conspiracy-Thread so we can finally pin him down as Covid patient zero, that he is secretly pulling the strings at the reserve bank, and reveal that he is a walking 5G tower.

 

[fred cook]

There are 102 delusional dumb campaigners who have voted in this thread.

The sides the Bulldogs below that have been beaten this year that is a terrible stat, you can blame Bevo but i think the concern is much bigger then just Bevo as head coach

 

[SonOfScray]

The sides the Bulldogs below that have been beaten this year that is a terrible stat, you can blame Bevo but i think the concern is much bigger then just Bevo as head coach

It might be bigger, but it definitely involves Bevo and it is time for him to **** off.

 

[lachy]

We can argue about the quality of the list, players being played, not being played, what position they are being played and team selection till the cows come home.

The coaching group is responsible for the way we play in terms of our ball movement and defending their ball movement. Unfortunately here is where our issues are significant.

For way too long now we have patches in games where we do not score and the opposition with limited opportunities do time and again. Clearly something is not working.

Our instinct to handball no matter whether we are clear has to be an instruction. We seem to be the only team with any ability who handball back into pressure not away from it to allow run and breakdown on opposition defences.

When we switch we do not set up for, often switch back with no second switch option to poor ball users resulting in pressure on the player switched to not breaking down opposition defenses. This is costing us more goals than it creates yet we consistently do it.

The extra in to the stoppage means even if we win it the opposition defend it on the outside leading to poor decision making amd turnovers.

Our kick outs are diabolical. Short and wide amd even if we hit someone dangerous with our first possession our second one is short and wide.

Not to mention a stagnant forward line using the out dated I system which by its very nature forces entries wide.

There are a few more but these have not improved over time and have failed time and again. Our entire coaching group needs a massive overhaul not simply replace the senior coach as how we play is now systemic

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[Doggy]

We can argue about the quality of the list, players being played, not being played, what position they are being played and team selection till the cows come home.

The coaching group is responsible for the way we play in terms of our ball movement and defending their ball movement. Unfortunately here is where our issues are significant.

For way too long now we have patches in games where we do not score and the opposition with limited opportunities do time and again. Clearly something is not working.

Our instinct to handball no matter whether we are clear has to be an instruction. We seem to be the only team with any ability who handball back into pressure not away from it to allow run and breakdown on opposition defences.

When we switch we do not set up for, often switch back with no second switch option to poor ball users resulting in pressure on the player switched to not breaking down opposition defenses. This is costing us more goals than it creates yet we consistently do it.

The extra in to the stoppage means even if we win it the opposition defend it on the outside leading to poor decision making amd turnovers.

Our kick outs are diabolical. Short and wide amd even if we hit someone dangerous with our first possession our second one is short and wide.

Not to mention a stagnant forward line using the out dated I system which by its very nature forces entries wide.

There are a few more but these have not improved over time and have failed time and again. Our entire coaching group needs a massive overhaul not simply replace the senior coach as how we play is now systemic

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Coaching has cost us the majority of the last 5 losses

 

[Martyn_30_]

When you consistently win most of the key stats but lose the game, that has to come down to coaching. This utter nonsense that unless you have 22 good players you don’t have a good list just shows the people who don’t know much about footy. You go through any premiership team and you’ll find ordinary players and players who barely played after the premiership. Collingwood had a list that finished 17th and it was pretty clear what the change at the club was.

Unless there’s a huge change of performance and the end of the season it’s in everyones best interest if Beveridge walks away, he’ll have no issue getting another job and the club gets a look at something fresh.


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[fred cook]

It might be bigger, but it definitely involves Bevo and it is time for him to * off.

for the first time I agree I think its time for Bevo to go, but if he goes and we keep Chris Crant as football director and Mathew Spangher as forward coach and Rohan Smith as assistant coach ( who is just about to enter 101 years of employment service at the bulldogs) we will not be any better as a football club

 

[doggybyte]

Its definitely time for a change.

We should go all out for Hardwick!

 

[fred cook]

Its definitely time for a change.

We should go all out for Hardwick!

He is NOT coming to the Bulldogs he is headed to the Gold Coast end of story its Josh Carr for me

 

[doggybyte]

It hurts me to say this but Kane Cornes is right!

We are massive under achievers and its time to do something before more star players walk out the door.

Go hard for Hardwick!

 

[CarnTheScray]

Wait, so is it the coaching or the list management as there seems to be some confusion here.

Perhaps this thread should be split into two, or three separate ones, that way everyone can be perfectly aligned with their own personal Lost Faith in Bevo thread that suits their standpoint, because there are a LOT.

Or how about about we go all-out and call it the Mega-Bevo-Conspiracy-Thread so we can finally pin him down as Covid patient zero, that he is secretly pulling the strings at the reserve bank, and reveal that he is a walking 5G tower.

I think there’s an issue with both. I don’t think the list is an average shambles like everyone is making it out to be however. Look how some players improved under Beveridge in 2015/2016 like Wood. Sometimes a change is needed.

I think he’ll step aside at the end of the season.

 

[CarnTheScray]

I’m a bit appalled by some of the comments towards Beveridge. Some users are calling him a campaigner, swearing at him like rabid dogs. I think his time is up too but the attitude towards him is quite pathetic.

 

[Freshwater]

I love the way Bevo defends our players. And they clearly respect him too. But all coaching tenure’s have a time limit. Bont, Libba, McCrae, Naughts, English, LJones etc need the opportunity to have a fresh voice and plan to finish their careers not wondering what could’ve been? Thanks for the ride Bevo.

 

[Hobdog]

I’m a bit appalled by some of the comments towards Beveridge. Some users are calling him a campaigner, swearing at him like rabid dogs. I think his time is up too but the attitude towards him is quite pathetic.

100% agree. The man himself is full of integrity and compassion, and has been pivotal in the good things that have happened to our club. Criticise the football department and his performance as coach but show him the respect he deserves.


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[geoffjennings79]

The concern is our recent history of coaching appointments that follow successful coaches.
Wallace, regardless of how his tenure ended, was a success in the 1997-2000 era.
Replaced by Rohde.
Eade, regardless of how his tenure ended, was a success in the 2006-2010 era.
Replaced by McCartney.
Beveridge - well there's 2015, 2016 and 2021.
Replaced by....?

Anyway, if and when he is no longer coach, history shows that recycled coaches who have not won a flag at their first gig, almost never win a flag at their second.

Malthouse and Blight are the only exceptions since at least the 1930s.

And while premiership coaches who are recycled do win flags at their second club, I would prefer a rated assistant with fresh ideas.

At this stage I have no idea who that would be, but the training pathways and industry knowledge would hopefully avoid another Rohde/McCartney appointment. But then again, this is our club we're talking about....

 

[_Mike_]

I’m a bit appalled by some of the comments towards Beveridge. Some users are calling him a campaigner, swearing at him like rabid dogs. I think his time is up too but the attitude towards him is quite pathetic.

You know the cliche that nothing lasts forever. I don't hate Bevo and quite opposite do appreciate what he did during his time which was take the club as it was, shape it in a short time frame and win a flag in his second year as coach.

Separate the emotion from the situation and you have a business model that has a number of key areas not performing/bringing on the expected returns. The board has the responsibility over the club and has to made decisions based on the future of the club, the club as a whole must always be bigger than the one person, coach in this instance. Things are clearly not working, not going to plan. A successful business evolves, continually performs a 360 analysis of how it's performing, adjusts areas that need improvement and so on. But when you have a business plan that relies on outdated information, outdated plans, bandaid solutions (i.e. drafting mature players as stop gaps) the hemorrhage starts and the business starts a downward spiral.

You have employees that become jaded about where they fit it and over time your brightest and best performing employees start to look elsewhere in order to not only fit it but have clear direction on where the brand is headed. Dunkley hit the nail on the head with his parting comments that we weren't headed anywhere and similar words have been said by other players in the past who've left. The continuous use of project players to fill gaps in on field roles has failed dismally. Too many changes to playing positions, playing players in positions they're not suited for is prone to failure. The coaching structure is built on a shoe string budget approach getting mates at mates rates to fill critical business roles, yet the experience of the personnel is questionable.

Then you have a board led by a CEO & President who are, for all intensive purposes, invisible to the stakeholders. The board and CEO cant continue to bury their heads in the sand and ignore glaring issues, if they do they lose the confidence of the stakeholders and from there it's a domino effect.

 

[immortalmike]

The problem with this thread is that everyone here thinks we are some kind of superpower team because we have Bont but look at the bottom 10 players tonight and we are far from it.

McNeill Scott Garcia Williams Gardner Vandermeer, Duyrea - foot soldiers, JUH - still developing, Darcy - 2-3 years away from AFL level, O'donnell - just a pup.

...but of course all the recruiting etc is the coaches fault too yadayadayada.

Tell me. Is that any worse than St Kilda or Essendon's bottom ten?

It's the coaching.

 

[doggy_dog]

The problem with this thread is that everyone here thinks we are some kind of superpower team because we have Bont but look at the bottom 10 players tonight and we are far from it.

McNeill Scott Garcia Williams Gardner Vandermeer, Duyrea - foot soldiers, JUH - still developing, Darcy - 2-3 years away from AFL level, O'donnell - just a pup.

...but of course all the recruiting etc is the coaches fault too yadayadayada.

Port are second on the ladder. Last week they trotted out:
McKenzie
Narkle
McEntee
Byrne-Jones
Powell-Pepper
Jones
Williams
Drew
Hayes
Bergman

Every single team has foot soldiers and developing players. Good teams play cohesively and make those players look better than they really are

 

[Foxman98]

Port are second on the ladder. Last week they trotted out:
McKenzie
Narkle
McEntee
Byrne-Jones
Powell-Pepper
Jones
Williams
Drew
Hayes
Bergman

Every single team has foot soldiers and developing players. Good teams play cohesively and make those players look better than they really are

So Byrne-Jones the AA is equivalent now to Lachie McNeil?

 

[Tommycash]

Port are second on the ladder. Last week they trotted out:
McKenzie
Narkle
McEntee
Byrne-Jones
Powell-Pepper
Jones
Williams
Drew
Hayes
Bergman

Every single team has foot soldiers and developing players. Good teams play cohesively and make those players look better than they really are

Port, and Hinkley, are a great comparison to make, though I am not sure you will agree.

The amount of times the media and supporters have seemed to want him gone because it was past him, or because he would not be able to take them all the way is high. Yet look how well they and he are going now. Indeed, last year Kochie was all but telling Hinkley that he was on the chopping block:

'Turn it around or watch out': Koch warns Ken, Power

David Koch was unwilling to guarantee Ken Hinkley's job as Port Adelaide coach for next year

www.afl.com.au

How good was their decision to keep him though? Port would not have done nearly as well without him, that seems certain.

Hinkley has been their coach since 2013 and gotten nowhere near Beveridge's success, and even now I wouldn't bet on them making the Grand Final let alone winning it.

But who in their right mind would call for his head?

It is surprising to me that a loss against Sydney in Sydney where they went in favourites is what seems to be the nail in the coffin for so many. Plenty of time left in the season to get something from it.

 

[fred cook]

The concern is our recent history of coaching appointments that follow successful coaches.
Wallace, regardless of how his tenure ended, was a success in the 1997-2000 era.
Replaced by Rohde.
Eade, regardless of how his tenure ended, was a success in the 2006-2010 era.
Replaced by McCartney.
Beveridge - well there's 2015, 2016 and 2021.
Replaced by....?

Anyway, if and when he is no longer coach, history shows that recycled coaches who have not won a flag at their first gig, almost never win a flag at their second.

Malthouse and Blight are the only exceptions since at least the 1930s.

And while premiership coaches who are recycled do win flags at their second club, I would prefer a rated assistant with fresh ideas.

At this stage I have no idea who that would be, but the training pathways and industry knowledge would hopefully avoid another Rohde/McCartney appointment. But then again, this is our club we're talking about....

For me 2024 WB Josh Carr senior coach Midfield coach Matthew Boyd development and structure coach Justin Leppitsch Defensive coach Steven King

 

[Mojorisin]

No point just sacking the coach if we aren't going to have a proper clean out of the off field department. At this stage I'd have baines, power, varcoe and Lade as the only one's safe. I'd throw everything at stealing dimma from gold coast clutches otherwise retain bevo for the rest of his contract (although he'd probably walk out with the structure I'd have in place).
I would go hard for dew, matty Boyd, Murphy and both Rougheads.
Carr would be a great asset aswell but wouldn't happen alongside hardwick. Hopefully soft cap gets increased.
Most importantly I would never let a coach have all out control like bev has had.
My coaching dreamteam would essentially see the first co-coach structure.
Dew football manager
Hardwick Co-coach (defence/boundary game day)
Bevo/Carr Co-coach (offence/coaches box game day)
Lade Ruck/stoppages
Boyd Midfield
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[geoffjennings79]

For me 2024 WB Josh Carr senior coach Midfield coach Matthew Boyd development and structure coach Justin Leppitsch Defensive coach Steven King

Thanks Fred, I actually just created a new thread, I'll add Carr and Boyd.

 

[glenashley]

Unfortunately, with the new contract, only way Bevo's leaving is of his own choosing, likely via another offer.

 

[doggy_dog]

So Byrne-Jones the AA is equivalent now to Lachie McNeil?

The former AA defender who’s now a pressure forward? Might be better than McNeil specifically but my point stands