Coach Do you still have any faith in Bevo? [POLL]

[yebach]

Sounds pretty right but surely if we kick longer earlier in the passage of play we can commit less players to the contest so they can stay back and set up a better defensive zone more easily.

Less labour intensive and imminently achievable considering our forward make up.

You've just worked out something that a bloke on 800+k a year can't seem to wrap around his head.

 

[Dog 36]

Sounds pretty right but surely if we kick longer earlier in the passage of play we can commit less players to the contest so they can stay back and set up a better defensive zone more easily.

Less labour intensive and imminently achievable considering our forward make up.

Stop posting you make too much sense.

Also the quicker it goes into our forward line the more dangerous Naughton JUH and Co will be

 

[maddog37]

Stop posting you make too much sense.

Also the quicker it goes into our forward line the more dangerous Naughton JUH and Co will be

It’s bizarre. It’s not like we are kicking to Gia, Acker and Johnno.

 

[_Mike_]

'Bevo Ball': territory and possession
While there's a lot of mystery and mayhem accompanying descriptions of Beveridge and the Bulldogs' approach, at its core is an application of one of the core tenets of football.

Territory and possession. Win both, and you'll win a lot of games of football.

Bevo Ball can come unstuck at times, as it did against Sydney last Friday night (2022). Sides who move the ball quickly can prevent the Bulldogs' up-ground defence from getting set and expose the Dogs' undersized defence.

Allowing quick, direct ball movement from opposition sides has been their biggest issue this year.

'Bevo Ball' and Mr Consistency: Unpacking the Dogs' system and where it has gone wrong in 2022

The Western Bulldogs made a grand final last year, and are now struggling to make the eight. What defines 'Bevo Ball' and how is Jack Macrae critical to the Dogs' system?

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How's that working Bevo? Nothing's changed, nothing will

 

[Dog 36]

It’s bizarre. It’s not like we are kicking to Gia, Acker and Johnno

In my time following the club I have never seen a forward set up and potential as Naughton, JUH and Lobb/Darcy/English accompanied by Weightman etc

I cannot understand how this team is not drilled about getting the ball inside 50 asap.

Last night Sydney had no one that could go with Naughton and Co but somehow we handballed our way into pressure.

 

[Mojorisin]

'Bevo Ball': territory and possession
While there's a lot of mystery and mayhem accompanying descriptions of Beveridge and the Bulldogs' approach, at its core is an application of one of the core tenets of football.

Territory and possession. Win both, and you'll win a lot of games of football.

Bevo Ball can come unstuck at times, as it did against Sydney last Friday night (2022). Sides who move the ball quickly can prevent the Bulldogs' up-ground defence from getting set and expose the Dogs' undersized defence.

Allowing quick, direct ball movement from opposition sides has been their biggest issue this year.

'Bevo Ball' and Mr Consistency: Unpacking the Dogs' system and where it has gone wrong in 2022

The Western Bulldogs made a grand final last year, and are now struggling to make the eight. What defines 'Bevo Ball' and how is Jack Macrae critical to the Dogs' system?

www.abc.net.au

How's that working Bevo? Nothing's changed, nothing will

It was a solid game plan when we had no talls more speed and better ball movement buy now we have talls it doesn't suit.

 

[Senor Ed]

I just have no desire to follow this club until Bevo is gone. We are so ******* awful to watch, it makes me feel crook. I feel for the players; I can't imagine how frustrating it would be for them to play in this system.

I echo your sentiments. I haven't been to one match this year despite having a reserved seat. Cannot be arsed wasting my time that gives me zero enjoyment with the current set up. I don't remember ever feeling this way, even during the Rohde, McCartney years.

 

[NBates]

In my time following the club I have never seen a forward set up and potential as Naughton, JUH and Lobb/Darcy/English accompanied by Weightman etc

I cannot understand how this team is not drilled about getting the ball inside 50 asap.

Last night Sydney had no one that could go with Naughton and Co but somehow we handballed our way into pressure.

Even if we get it there, they are coached to do this

 

[tonzdogs]

Think you’re being pretty disrespectful toward Kylie. She is regional head of a hugely successful company. Sad as it is, Women are still the minority in senior leadership roles and getting to where she has takes strength, intelligence and grit. But I think the time for her to put that strength to use is now.


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What does she know about running a football club?

 

[geoffjennings79]

What does she know about running a football club?

What did Smorgon or Gordon know when they became president?

She's been on the club board for TEN YEARS and was vice-president under Gordon for FOUR YEARS, often acting as his proxy.

She also runs the Australian/NZ arm of an international corporation, which is one of the largest media/entertainment organisations in the country.

Like Gordon and Smorgon, she's also a life-long supporter.

Are you suggesting she's the problem here?

 

[dogwatch]

I’ve denied it for years but lately I’ve been pondering whether 2016 was a fluke after all.

I’m thinking it was not so much a fluke as a happy alignment of several factors:

• new coach bounce/new message/new motivation
• new coach’s innovations (handball club, third man up, etc)
• enough of the quality old guard still around (Moz, MBoyd, Wood, Murphy, Picken)
• alignment of peak years of some players who in some cases had just a brief period of stardom (Clay, Hunter, JJ, Stringer, TBoyd, Libba, Macrae, McLean, etc)
• arrival of a fearless new guard who hadn’t yet learned the underdog mentality (Bont, Dunkley, Daniel etc)

The fact that we still managed to make a GF 5 years later also suggests that 2016 wasn’t a fluke.

However we failed to adapt as well as others to rule changes like No third man up, 6-6-6, and statue-on-the-mark (we retreated 5m for more than a full season).

The game has changed. In 2016 we were innovators and others (most notably Richmond) copied us. Now we are at the trailing edge. We can’t readily copy or even defend against the Collingwood or Port Adelaide attractive style of play because we lack the right type of player. It’s only partly the list quality - it’s as much the poor list balance in critical areas.

Yes I’d love to see what a new coach could do with this list but the problem (and therefore the solution) is not simply and exclusively a coaching one.

The good news is that it might only take the insertion of 4-5 players to get the balance almost right and that 2-3 of them might already be on our list.

I do think we are ready for some fresh ideas at the top and the time is probably right.

However I’m having a bob each way - if we got the balance right we could still go a fair way with Bevo and some quality assistants. The net result of our list changes in the off season is going to be crucial.

 

[lachy]

What did Smorgon or Gordon know when they became president?

She's been on the club board for TEN YEARS and was vice-president under Gordon for FOUR YEARS, often acting as his proxy.

She also runs the Australian/NZ arm of an international corporation, which is one of the largest media/entertainment organisations in the country.

Like Gordon and Smorgon, she's also a life-long supporter.

Are you suggesting she's the problem here?

Some people really have less than no idea.

Could not be stronger off field, her role in the club

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[lachy]

I’ve denied it for years but lately I’ve been pondering whether 2016 was a fluke after all.

I’m thinking it was not so much a fluke as a happy alignment of several factors:

• new coach bounce/new message/new motivation
• new coach’s innovations (handball club, third man up, etc)
• enough of the quality old guard still around (Moz, MBoyd, Wood, Murphy, Picken)
• alignment of peak years of some players who in some cases had just a brief period of stardom (Clay, Hunter, JJ, Stringer, TBoyd, Libba, Macrae, McLean, etc)
• arrival of a fearless new guard who hadn’t yet learned the underdog mentality (Bont, Dunkley, Daniel etc)

The fact that we still managed to make a GF 5 years later also suggests that 2016 wasn’t a fluke.

However we failed to adapt as well as others to rule changes like No third man up, 6-6-6, and statue-on-the-mark (we retreated 5m for more than a full season).

The game has changed. In 2016 we were innovators and others (most notably Richmond) copied us. Now we are at the trailing edge. We can’t readily copy or even defend against the Collingwood or Port Adelaide attractive style of play because we lack the right type of player. It’s only partly the list quality - it’s as much the poor list balance in critical areas.

Yes I’d love to see what a new coach could do with this list but the problem (and therefore the solution) is not simply and exclusively a coaching one.

The good news is that it might only take the insertion of 4-5 players to get the balance almost right and that 2-3 of them might already be on our list.

I do think we are ready for some fresh ideas at the top and the time is probably right.

However I’m having a bob each way - if we got the balance right we could still go a fair way with Bevo and some quality assistants. The net result of our list changes in the off season is going to be crucial.

A lot in here is spot on. It is only 4 to 5 players and a reworked sustainable game plan adapted to current rules

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[Mojorisin]

I’ve denied it for years but lately I’ve been pondering whether 2016 was a fluke after all.

I’m thinking it was not so much a fluke as a happy alignment of several factors:

• new coach bounce/new message/new motivation
• new coach’s innovations (handball club, third man up, etc)
• enough of the quality old guard still around (Moz, MBoyd, Wood, Murphy, Picken)
• alignment of peak years of some players who in some cases had just a brief period of stardom (Clay, Hunter, JJ, Stringer, TBoyd, Libba, Macrae, McLean, etc)
• arrival of a fearless new guard who hadn’t yet learned the underdog mentality (Bont, Dunkley, Daniel etc)

The fact that we still managed to make a GF 5 years later also suggests that 2016 wasn’t a fluke.

However we failed to adapt as well as others to rule changes like No third man up, 6-6-6, and statue-on-the-mark (we retreated 5m for more than a full season).

The game has changed. In 2016 we were innovators and others (most notably Richmond) copied us. Now we are at the trailing edge. We can’t readily copy or even defend against the Collingwood or Port Adelaide attractive style of play because we lack the right type of player. It’s only partly the list quality - it’s as much the poor list balance in critical areas.

Yes I’d love to see what a new coach could do with this list but the problem (and therefore the solution) is not simply and exclusively a coaching one.

The good news is that it might only take the insertion of 4-5 players to get the balance almost right and that 2-3 of them might already be on our list.

I do think we are ready for some fresh ideas at the top and the time is probably right.

However I’m having a bob each way - if we got the balance right we could still go a fair way with Bevo and some quality assistants. The net result of our list changes in the off season is going to be crucial.

Completely agree. Changes need to be made that much is clear, the right changes however is the hard part and also comes down to available/interested parties.
At the very least 2 or 3 changes need to be made to the coaching group/football department.

 

[geoffjennings79]

I’ve denied it for years but lately I’ve been pondering whether 2016 was a fluke after all.

I’m thinking it was not so much a fluke as a happy alignment of several factors:

• new coach bounce/new message/new motivation
• new coach’s innovations (handball club, third man up, etc)
• enough of the quality old guard still around (Moz, MBoyd, Wood, Murphy, Picken)
• alignment of peak years of some players who in some cases had just a brief period of stardom (Clay, Hunter, JJ, Stringer, TBoyd, Libba, Macrae, McLean, etc)
• arrival of a fearless new guard who hadn’t yet learned the underdog mentality (Bont, Dunkley, Daniel etc)

The fact that we still managed to make a GF 5 years later also suggests that 2016 wasn’t a fluke.

However we failed to adapt as well as others to rule changes like No third man up, 6-6-6, and statue-on-the-mark (we retreated 5m for more than a full season).

The game has changed. In 2016 we were innovators and others (most notably Richmond) copied us. Now we are at the trailing edge. We can’t readily copy or even defend against the Collingwood or Port Adelaide attractive style of play because we lack the right type of player. It’s only partly the list quality - it’s as much the poor list balance in critical areas.

Yes I’d love to see what a new coach could do with this list but the problem (and therefore the solution) is not simply and exclusively a coaching one.

The good news is that it might only take the insertion of 4-5 players to get the balance almost right and that 2-3 of them might already be on our list.

I do think we are ready for some fresh ideas at the top and the time is probably right.

However I’m having a bob each way - if we got the balance right we could still go a fair way with Bevo and some quality assistants. The net result of our list changes in the off season is going to be crucial.

Good post. Even though I started the "what are the coaching alternatives" (or whatever I called it!) thread, that was mainly for discussion.

Personally, I agree that (bob each way too!) the assistants, and possibly the 'goal posts' (!!!) around the coaching set up need a tweak. I would really like to see a former senior coach as an assistant, just to provide a counterbalance, as well as - and I'm assuming, without knowing, that we aren't in danger of having our current crop of assistants poached because any of them are highly desirable - that we can improve our assistants across the board.

Of course, the elephant in the room here is if Beveridge would accept those changes, and challenges to his (alleged) authoritarianism, or would walk away. Similar changes were placed around Thompson and Hardwick in slightly different eras - I can't recall the extent though, and were seen as helping the incumbent focus on their role. On the other hand, Beveridge seemed to be happy delegating, to Corey in particular from memory, in some aspects (in that case I think it was a fair degree of autonomy regarding midfield), and likewise to King and Hansen. Maybe they were just more capable than the current crop, Lade aside?

 

[ScragCity]

After 2021, Chris Scott

Chris Scott

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89kg

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16.6

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11.2

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5.4

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5.1

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1.6

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0.4

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13.2

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10.2

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3.0

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2.2

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realised that the gameplan he had the Cats playing just wasn't going to win a flag in this era. He adapted and got them playing a more offensive style the next year. He didn't sit on his hands and say "well I'm stuck with the list I have, so I can't innovate." That's the difference between a good coach and Bevo. We haven't significantly changed our strategy since 2015. We don't need to copy Port or Collingwood, we just need something better than what we have and that plays to our strengths. Blaming the list has become the most tired old cop out. 2021 was the worst thing that could have happened to us, because it tricked us into thinking we were close and that what we were doing is good enough.

 

[Hobdog]

What does she know about running a football club?

Given she sits in board meetings for the club on a weekly basis I’m confident she knows a lot about running our AFL club. She hasn’t been there for five minutes. It’s not a local club where the president cooks the snags and stands at the quarter time huddle.


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[Mofra]

Given she sits in board meetings for the club on a weekly basis I’m confident she knows a lot about running our AFL club. She hasn’t been there for five minutes. It’s not a local club where the president cooks the snags and stands at the quarter time huddle.


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She was short-listed for the role of AFL CEO. Very highly regarded in sports administration

 

[Hobdog]

She was short-listed for the role of AFL CEO. Very highly regarded in sports administration

Yep, forgot to include that fact too! I’m still genuinely curious about what people expect Kylie to do that she’s not doing? Just because she doesn’t pop up and publicly comment on the coach or team doesn’t mean she’s not acutely aware of the fact we’re struggling and doesn’t mean she doesn’t ask questions of the people responsible for the football department.


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[dergert]

Bevo isn't going anywhere unless he is dragged out of Whitten Oval.

In the pre-game interview he spoke about having a burning desire to coach this group longer.

 

[yebach]

I’ve denied it for years but lately I’ve been pondering whether 2016 was a fluke after all.

I’m thinking it was not so much a fluke as a happy alignment of several factors:

• new coach bounce/new message/new motivation
• new coach’s innovations (handball club, third man up, etc)
• enough of the quality old guard still around (Moz, MBoyd, Wood, Murphy, Picken)
• alignment of peak years of some players who in some cases had just a brief period of stardom (Clay, Hunter, JJ, Stringer, TBoyd, Libba, Macrae, McLean, etc)
• arrival of a fearless new guard who hadn’t yet learned the underdog mentality (Bont, Dunkley, Daniel etc)

The fact that we still managed to make a GF 5 years later also suggests that 2016 wasn’t a fluke.

However we failed to adapt as well as others to rule changes like No third man up, 6-6-6, and statue-on-the-mark (we retreated 5m for more than a full season).

The game has changed. In 2016 we were innovators and others (most notably Richmond) copied us. Now we are at the trailing edge. We can’t readily copy or even defend against the Collingwood or Port Adelaide attractive style of play because we lack the right type of player. It’s only partly the list quality - it’s as much the poor list balance in critical areas.

Yes I’d love to see what a new coach could do with this list but the problem (and therefore the solution) is not simply and exclusively a coaching one.

The good news is that it might only take the insertion of 4-5 players to get the balance almost right and that 2-3 of them might already be on our list.

I do think we are ready for some fresh ideas at the top and the time is probably right.

However I’m having a bob each way - if we got the balance right we could still go a fair way with Bevo and some quality assistants. The net result of our list changes in the off season is going to be crucial.

Agree with alot of what you say. Problem is the club won't get rid of Bevo this year. At best we part ways at the end next season. Unless Bevo changes things. And based of the last 8 seasons I can't see Bevo coming up with anything new. So we're stuck with this shite gameplan for a while yet.

I would love to be proven wrong.

 

[Chalky White]

What does she know about running a football club?

As much as Peggy O'Neal, Jeff Kennett, Frank Costa, David Koch, Jeff Browne and Kate Roffey.
They are business people they don't need to be "football" people

 

[JTCWBFC]

The board signed off on the extension - they deserve to be questioned.

She’s silent - it has nothing to do with if she can do her job or not. Have a voice, have a presence.

Responsibility trickles up - you want the title, take the heat.

 

[redmania]

The board signed off on the extension - they deserve to be questioned.

She’s silent - it has nothing to do with if she can do her job or not. Have a voice, have a presence.

Responsibility trickles up - you want the title, take the heat.

I wrote this on another post but we have an inherent small club mentality. It emanates through the club to the fans. No criticism can be voiced and don't we love that plucky almost culture. We have a solid spine and some generational talent. Sadly our mentality is to keep doing the same and expect a different result. Club needs a full review from top to bottom. There's no room in football for sentiment or mediocrity and we are graced with both.

 

[Dogsman16]

The heavy hitters at the club need to grow a spine and put an ultimatum in front of Bevo.

Either Bevo reliquishes his total control over the coaching panel (so we get a complete reset and completely flush out the entire assistant coaching panel) or….

He is told to stand down. And give us a coach that allows a complete reset in the coaching box.

If Grant doesn’t have the guts to implement a firm hand then he can be the first one to leave.

I was pretty surprised to hear that Ross Lyon told his assistants that they have total control over the game plan and he just manages. Almost time the same philosophy is forced upon Beveridge.