Does Everyone Do It?

[Snag Breac]

Salary cap cheating? See Brian Waldron's self-justification in this Age article.

'Everyone does it': Waldron's excuse for cheating
SCOTT SPITS

April 23, 2010 - 12:09PM


"Because everyone does". That was the reason Brian Waldron gave Melbourne Storm chairman Dr Rob Moodie when quizzed about why he had orchestrated the blatant salary cap cheating that has cost the club two premierships.
Speaking at Princes Park today, Moodie said Waldron had expressed his regret about the salary cap cheating exposed by the NRL yesterday.
Described as the architect of the widespread breaches of the cap, Waldron has not been seen since the NRL announced penalties, including the stripping of two premierships, the loss of competition points and $1.6 million in fines.

Link to article:
http://www.theage.com.au/rugby-leag...e-for-cheating-20100423-thdh.html?autostart=1

Could it still be happening in the AFL? If the mods close this thread, I'll know what to think.

 

[TradeDraft]

Who would believe that Idiot Waldreon know after what he did?

 

[Optimax]

Too different lengths yes definitely.

Look at the 3rd party deals that the AFL is now monitoring, its salary cap cheating at its finest and too the AFL is most legal way of doing it.

I've certainly got no doubt other NRL teams are doing it (probably nay definitely not to the length of the storm) and even less doubts on AFL teams, the AFL teams may just have a couple of extra loop holes (3rd party deals) they can exploit

 

[Swanny36]

In a certain way, yes, EVERY Club in the AFL would do it.

Judd with VISY is the most public one.

A business in Geelong has reportedly offered G.Ablett Jnr the amount of around about $350,000 a year outside the salary that Geelong will be paying him.

They're two just off the top of my head, I am sure there would be a TONNE more.

 

[danielnajdek]

Brian Waldrons a knob. Wouldn't take notice of anything that comes out of his mouth.

 

[Optimax]

Brian Waldrons a knob. Wouldn't take notice of anything that comes out of his mouth.

It would be very very stupid to think no one else does it

Remember when carlton got caught, us and essendon off the top of my head were fined for exceeding the cap too. Alright we didnt rort it like carlton we still went over

 

[danielnajdek]

well he's still a knob.after lying for 5 years i wouldn't be believing anything he says.just trying to justify what he did which was completely wrong.just admit you did the wrong thing and move on.

 

[mattys123]

Because everyone does it.

Is that his excuse.

Well to use the old line from your mother "If everyone jumped off a cliff, would you do it too". (Obviously most Storm supporters are hoping Waldron jumps now).

As for everyone doing it, BULLSHIT.

Yes, some other clubs in all codes would do it, but not everyone.

Take the AFL for example, the following clubs can not afford to do it;

North Melbourne
Melbourne
Richmond
Port Adelaide

And last year, only 2 teams made a profit in the whole NRL, so I severely doubt too many of the struggling NRL clubs are paying more then they have to either.

Silly excuse, from a silly man, enjoy jail Brian, where you belong you ****ing disgrace to Australian Sport.

 

[Optimax]

well he's still a knob.after lying for 5 years i wouldn't be believing anything he says.just trying to justify what he did which was completely wrong.just admit you did the wrong thing and move on.

I think Waldron is a knob and always have, but FWIW he did say the rorting was wrong and apoligised to the storm yesterday, that doesnt mean others are not doing it (it also isnt an excuse) and once again its sheer stupidity to think the Storm is the only team that is currently cheating

 

[HFF]

You better believe everyone does it.

It is incredibly rife throughout all sporting codes with salary caps.

I'm just as angry as anyone at Waldron (who has hung the Storm out to dry) however, he is right when he says, you need to do it if you want to compete at the top.

 

[Ekunga]

In a certain way, yes, EVERY Club in the AFL would do it.

Judd with VISY is the most public one.

A business in Geelong has reportedly offered G.Ablett Jnr the amount of around about $350,000 a year outside the salary that Geelong will be paying him.

They're two just off the top of my head, I am sure there would be a TONNE more.

Ablett has two payments one is his job with Frank Costa's and the other is his payments from Cotton On.

If the deal is done to hide payments that the club cannot make inside the salary cup they should not be allowed but if the payment is made due to the players ability irrelavent of the club he is playing for they should be allowed.

Therefore adidas sponsorship shoudl be allowed a car from the sponsor of the club should be allowed but be paid by the Chairman's company that should not be allowed.

 

[rhysman]

Third party payments will be right in the gun now and rightly so. They are nothing more than a means of paying outside the salary cap to attract and/or retain players you could otherwise not. Judd is the most glaring example. Collingwood should probably be more agrieved than any other club as it severely dented their chances of getting Judd on their list.

 

[TradeDraft]

Third party payments will be right in the gun now and rightly so. They are nothing more than a means of paying outside the salary cap to attract and/or retain players you could otherwise not. Judd is the most glaring example. Collingwood should probably be more agrieved than any other club as it severely dented their chances of getting Judd on their list.

What Happens if we have do it with some of our players?

 

[Alexander323bc]

And what a great leader he turned out to be. In hind side, we are much better off now then we would have been with him in the team and have a much more sustained tilt at a flag.

 

[kevind]

99% of clubs do it and the other 1% are liars. Carlton and the Storm's only problem was that they got caught.

 

[Prince_Rhodesia]

And what a great leader he turned out to be. In hind side, we are much better off now then we would have been with him in the team and have a much more sustained tilt at a flag.

What? In the words of John McEnroe, You can't be serious!

If it weren't for the extra dollars outside of the cap that Visy pay Judd, He would be a Collingwood player and we'd be way more likely to win a flag in the very near future. Player payments outside of the cap are a legal way to rort the system. What's the point of a salary cap if clubs are able to circumvent it by way of 3rd party payments? It's a F$%#ing joke.

 

[Frankie23]

I don't know the finer details but pretty much the AFL allows 3rd Party Payments to a certain extent whilst the NRL does not. Payments from Visy and Cotton On to Judd and Ablett are perfectly fine.

It is extremely hard to cheat the system with todays technology, teams always get caught out, so I doubt many teams are able to cheat the system.

 

[Snag Breac]

I don't know the finer details but pretty much the AFL allows 3rd Party Payments to a certain extent whilst the NRL does not. Payments from Visy and Cotton On to Judd and Ablett are perfectly fine.

It is extremely hard to cheat the system with todays technology, teams always get caught out, so I doubt many teams are able to cheat the system.

I've never understood why this ^^ should be acceptable. Either there is a salary cap or there isn't.

 

[Frankie23]

I've never understood why this ^^ should be acceptable. Either there is a salary cap or there isn't.

Well third party payments are acceptable in the AFL. These payments are not footy related, technically they are fulfilling other jobs and being paid for that work.

Every club 'organises' third party payments to their players however it is all above board.

 

[Snag Breac]

Well third party payments are acceptable in the AFL. These payments are not footy related, technically they are fulfilling other jobs and being paid for that work.

Every club 'organises' third party payments to their players however it is all above board.

It's ok if they're actually doing something for the money, but it's Judd's $?million eco-ambassadorial role I object to.

 

[Prince_Rhodesia]

Essentially, 3rd party payments, which for some reason remain legal under the current system, are effectively a legal way to pay a player outside the cap. Judd's Visy deal is a prime example. Is Chris Judd's work with Visy worth a Million Dollars? That is debatable. Another more recent example is how Frank Costa publicly asked for an endorsement for Gary Ablett in an attempt to keep him at Geelong. If you take it a step further, what's to stop Eddie from opening a few private companies and offering "ambassadorial jobs" to Pavlich and whoever else he wants? Would that be deemed legal? While this system is in place, The salary cap has no credibility.

 

[Pie eyed]

Of course everyone does it Snag...they just don't admit it.

Oh! You're talking about rorting the cap.
Sorry misinterpreted the OP.

 

[Mansons Haircut]

So disapointed, this looked like a thread about coked up group sex parties when i saw the title.......(Snag if i'm right PM me)

 

[stanley86]

it's a tough subject, because in australia you cant stop someone from having 1, 2, 7 jobs if they can fulfill them ... but when one job creates an opportunity at one of the other jobs then this could then become an issue. The issue facing these organisations that put a cap on what someone could earn is they then bring in a restriction of trade but they circumvent this with contracts stating this when you first sign up etc. In the AFL's case, you have to nominate to join their organisation and are bound to their rules/regulations upon doing so. 3rd party payments are essentially a sponsorship of a player and i dont know how an organisation can stop that ... does anyone know that if billy slater got sponsored by visy for example and paid him to wear a visy hat and shirt everytime he was in public whether this is legal in NRL?

 

[stanley86]

i answered my own question

this from the herald sun

He said one well-used trick was for a club to assign a particular poker machine to the player and allow all its takings to flow to him.

Another was for a sponsor or third party to be asked to pay an extra amount that might be put in an overseas bank account.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/n...-players-exposed/story-e6frfgbo-1225857632667