Autopsy Dogs def Saints 90-50

[Mattdougie]

Can't say I agree with this entirely, in any case, I think you're misinterpretation what people say. You can look good, do good thinks and show good composure and adjustment, but at the end of the day there's a limit to how much you can influence the game when you only have 3 kicks, and it isn't something that's new to Williams. He's only had 10 kicks once in his 11 games as a player. He's had games with only 11 and 14 touches this year. He's certainly shown good signs for the future, what he has done has looked classy, and we know that he's got a natural ability to win the ball so lack of possession winning shouldn't be a long-term issue (given he won 50+ in the SANFL 18's). But lets not kid ourselves with his direct, contributing nature to our games so far - there's only so much that a player who should be winning 20+ touches, in his role, can do when he isn't. It's not as if he's winning 16 touches but 7 or 9 or whatever are contested - he's an outside player who only found space to kick the ball three times in what probably is an hour of game time on the ground. And lets not treat him like a 1st year player - he is a 2nd year player - so when does a sub-15-possesison game cease to be acceptable? 3rd year and 30 games? 4th year and 45?

Again, not saying we shouldn't continue to pick him to develop him for the future, or what he does do doesn't look good, again, for a player for the future and a player of his age, it certainly looks good. But what he's showing for the future, and how he contributes as 1 part of 22 in helping us win games today are completely different things.

One rule for some another for others

 

[yebiga]

After leaving the ground on Saturday, I had Daniel as my best.
But after watching the replay I can't go past Wood. When his killing marking contests down back and running thru the midfield like has the last two weeks his worth two men.

And Dalhaus - he might butcher the ball from time to time - but he routinely wins 6/7 hard balls he has no right to even attempt.

Adams too was a huge presence.

Williams really solid in the packs for a kid. I expect his body desperately needs the bye.

And Dale has arrived. There is still a lot of upside in this kid. Once he gets some more experience and confidence - wait for those telescopic arms to take same outrageous grabs

 

[dergert]

What are people's thoughts on Murphy? Played a good game yesty but is he an untouchable in the side?

 

[Fultons]

What are people's thoughts on Murphy? Played a good game yesty but is he an untouchable in the side?

Yes.

 

[Dazb86]

Can't say I agree with this entirely, in any case, I think you're misinterpretation what people say. You can look good, do good thinks and show good composure and adjustment, but at the end of the day there's a limit to how much you can influence the game when you only have 3 kicks, and it isn't something that's new to Williams. He's only had 10 kicks once in his 11 games as a player. He's had games with only 11 and 14 touches this year. He's certainly shown good signs for the future, what he has done has looked classy, and we know that he's got a natural ability to win the ball so lack of possession winning shouldn't be a long-term issue (given he won 50+ in the SANFL 18's). But lets not kid ourselves with his direct, contributing nature to our games so far - there's only so much that a player who should be winning 20+ touches, in his role, can do when he isn't. It's not as if he's winning 16 touches but 7 or 9 or whatever are contested - he's an outside player who only found space to kick the ball three times in what probably is an hour of game time on the ground. And lets not treat him like a 1st year player - he is a 2nd year player - so when does a sub-15-possesison game cease to be acceptable? 3rd year and 30 games? 4th year and 45?

Again, not saying we shouldn't continue to pick him to develop him for the future, or what he does do doesn't look good, again, for a player for the future and a player of his age, it certainly looks good. But what he's showing for the future, and how he contributes as 1 part of 22 in helping us win games today are completely different things.

We've been a bit spoilt in recent times with youngsters coming on and being integral parts of the side straight away. It's certainly not the norm.

Take Brisbane for example. 18 of their 22 today had less than 20 disposals. We've been very lucky.

 

[Fultons]

Can't say I agree with this entirely, in any case, I think you're misinterpretation what people say. You can look good, do good thinks and show good composure and adjustment, but at the end of the day there's a limit to how much you can influence the game when you only have 3 kicks, and it isn't something that's new to Williams. He's only had 10 kicks once in his 11 games as a player. He's had games with only 11 and 14 touches this year. He's certainly shown good signs for the future, what he has done has looked classy, and we know that he's got a natural ability to win the ball so lack of possession winning shouldn't be a long-term issue (given he won 50+ in the SANFL 18's). But lets not kid ourselves with his direct, contributing nature to our games so far - there's only so much that a player who should be winning 20+ touches, in his role, can do when he isn't. It's not as if he's winning 16 touches but 7 or 9 or whatever are contested - he's an outside player who only found space to kick the ball three times in what probably is an hour of game time on the ground. And lets not treat him like a 1st year player - he is a 2nd year player - so when does a sub-15-possesison game cease to be acceptable? 3rd year and 30 games? 4th year and 45?

Again, not saying we shouldn't continue to pick him to develop him for the future, or what he does do doesn't look good, again, for a player for the future and a player of his age, it certainly looks good. But what he's showing for the future, and how he contributes as 1 part of 22 in helping us win games today are completely different things.

I like Williams but if moyd ever had those stats many on here would be baying for his head to roll.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I like Williams but if moyd ever had those stats many on here would be baying for his head to roll.

Agreed, and agreed. I like Williams as well. I'd keep picking him, even ahead of Moyd, because we need to develop Williams and there's no way around waiting for his first 30 games development than simply picking him for 30 games, unfortunately. But like you said, if Moyd played a game where he had 3 kicks, I hate to think what the reaction was.

 

[Zgope1]

Just watched the game after 20 hours on planes.

People being harsh on the Bont imo. Sure he made some errors and didn't kick 4.1 he only kicked 1.4. But he was playing as our main half forward. It's not just a few minutes forward a game anymore, today he was our main connector. Imo you can see little signs that he'll be deadly there too. As someone mentioned for a bad game he was still prevalent and involved in stacks of scores. If Bailey Dale played that game it'd be a good game but we judge Bont as Bont.

Good segway. Great to see Dale play so well. Quite an inside outside player now. Finally one of he and Webb have taken their chance at senior level instead of just looking good and having 12 touches. Keep it up chap.

English was fundamentally pretty bad but some really nice glimpses. Unbelievable skills. Within 2 years he'll be opening everything up for us he's just not quite strong or fit enough yet. Won't take that long though because he has loud strengths

Wallis had our offence looking like it did in 2015. When he's playing well he's so underrated. Has really nice touch, quite underrated with his use inside 50. Now this does oscillate but I'm glad he's still such a legit player. When Libba is back firing we'll be much harder to play in the clinches.

Agree that Woody is humming right now.

Caleb is back as the guy we got used to last year. Underrated defensive inside mid too, he gets into the hips of his opponent. Just such a nice set of hands and is the key to why we absorb pressure so well.

It's always worth having Stringer in the side because he can kick goals and we need renowned scorers. This game though took me back to the Adelaide game in 2015. Whenever he was near it he was the best player there. He was stressing out his opponents and commanded the ball on the lead. No shortcuts in his game today. Seemed to have a different set shot routine so let's see if that sticks

 

[Bont2Bruce]

but at the end of the day there's a limit to how much you can influence the game when you only have 3 kicks

Dale Morris and his 2 kicks in the GF say hi.

 

[Zgope1]

Whether he's had enough of the pill or not, I'm glad Williams is starting to look comfortable in the team defensively

 

[perro_loco]

I was that person. On reflection I think I was a bit rush on my judgement. The Bont is such a great player that we expect everything to turn to gold each time he gets the ball. Nevertheless, I am happy he was dragged. The break will help our team to recalibrate. GO DOGS!!!

 

[Next Waiting]

Our stoppage set up (particularly the centre bounce) looks like it's being reconfigured "in season" and I'm not sure it's temporary. Roughy back is huge and we already look better with him there. I think McLean will soon return (for Sydney and beyond) and possibly as a clearance player (his VFL numbers seem to indicate that he's been required to provide evidence of being able to mix it up at stoppages for 4 qtrs and that he's succeeded). Roughy, Wallis, Jongy, McLean, Bont, Daniel and Macrae (and combinations thereof) looks like a centre bounce set up that we want to get to with Dahl perhaps more forward at times or off the back of the square. A bit Bailey Dale too. Think we're looking for pace and Libba's well off it at the moment.

 

[dogwatch]

I was that person. On reflection I think I was a bit rush on my judgement. The Bont is such a great player that we expect everything to turn to gold each time he gets the ball. Nevertheless, I am happy he was dragged. The break will help our team to recalibrate. GO DOGS!!!

You weren't the one I had in mind but you were decent enough to own up!
(The other one was the troll)

 

[TempleKelvington]

Daniel spoiling Carlisle
Can someone gif that please?

Cooney on SEN was rating the players from the Bulldogs and when he got to Daniel he rated him a B and said he would alsways be a B because of his height. That he can't beat opponents above his head.........what an illogical comment. Sam Mitchell is A class player, as a small player of course he's renowned for his aerial work.

Then you see that piece of play with Carlisle and you just realise what a special player he is. Cooney really is disappointing in his analysis of footy at times.

I thought Daniel was best on Saturday, certainly best 3.

 

[Mattdougie]

Cooney on SEN was rating the players from the Bulldogs and when he got to Daniel he rated him a B and said he would alsways be a B because of his height. That he can't beat opponents above his head.........what an illogical comment. Sam Mitchell is A class player, as a small player of course he's renowned for his aerial work.

Then you see that piece of play with Carlisle and you just realise what a special player he is. Cooney really is disappointing in his analysis of footy at times.

I thought Daniel was best on Saturday, certainly best 3.

Cooney is really hurt by the way Macca and the club treated him in the end and now has an agenda against us.

It's unfortunate but when he said he sees himself as an Essendon person from now on he lost me

 

[TempleKelvington]

Cooney is really hurt by the way Macca and the club treated him in the end and now has an agenda against us.

It's unfortunate but when he said he sees himself as an Essendon person from now on he lost me

I havnt heard him say that but knew he was more with them than us, and I get that if he is, disappointing though.

He lost me when he was talking a few weeks ago about how he was never fully prepared playing footy or along those lines and it made me realise we could never have the success we just had with players like him. As good as he was, he never did everything he could have on his own admission. Fair enough, not everyone is a super freak trainer, he was very talented, but perhaps why we never quiet got there in those years.

But I don't think in this case he was being spiteful, just illogical in his thoughts and I don't find him insightful as commentator. Amusing at times, but not much of value to say on footy matters.

 

[Johnny_Dogg4]

this was maybe the best game we have played.
maybe not our i50 deliveries and goal kicking

but defensive effort, etc.
saints never scored more than 2 goals in a row.

 

[fronkalicious]

I like Williams but if moyd ever had those stats many on here would be baying for his head to roll.

Boyd's consistently padding his stats by playing on from kick outs. His defensive work this year has been woeful.

Williams' defensive work was excellent on Saturday imo. I'd have him in over Boyd for sure.

With Biggs back in some form tho, we're probably back to carrying one too many back flankers. Wouldn't surprise me to see both Boyd and Williams miss out in September.

 

[Mr. Walker]

Hahahahhaha some of the utter utter cr@p spoken on here is beyond a joke.

I truly think some of you have no idea about anything.

Hit, nail,head.

I believe all of us think this. (Of course most of us think this when reading your posts but you did nail it)

 

[MYOB]

The only stat that matters

 

[Mutt]

Can't say I agree with this entirely, in any case, I think you're misinterpretation what people say. You can look good, do good thinks and show good composure and adjustment, but at the end of the day there's a limit to how much you can influence the game when you only have 3 kicks, and it isn't something that's new to Williams. He's only had 10 kicks once in his 11 games as a player. He's had games with only 11 and 14 touches this year. He's certainly shown good signs for the future, what he has done has looked classy, and we know that he's got a natural ability to win the ball so lack of possession winning shouldn't be a long-term issue (given he won 50+ in the SANFL 18's). But lets not kid ourselves with his direct, contributing nature to our games so far - there's only so much that a player who should be winning 20+ touches, in his role, can do when he isn't. It's not as if he's winning 16 touches but 7 or 9 or whatever are contested - he's an outside player who only found space to kick the ball three times in what probably is an hour of game time on the ground. And lets not treat him like a 1st year player - he is a 2nd year player - so when does a sub-15-possesison game cease to be acceptable? 3rd year and 30 games? 4th year and 45?

Again, not saying we shouldn't continue to pick him to develop him for the future, or what he does do doesn't look good, again, for a player for the future and a player of his age, it certainly looks good. But what he's showing for the future, and how he contributes as 1 part of 22 in helping us win games today are completely different things.

I absolutely agree that Williams doesn't get anywhere near enough ball yet, but that is fairly common in players who are yet to rack up 20 games and are still teenagers. The raw materials are all there and I like his use of the body in congestion - he blocks and shepherds well for team mates. I think that the kid will make it and that he wasn't a liability on the weekend. If he was poor in the eyes of the MC, he will no doubt make way for Boyd or Libba next game. Let's wait and see.

 

[BEaston]

Can't say I agree with this entirely, in any case, I think you're misinterpretation what people say. You can look good, do good thinks and show good composure and adjustment, but at the end of the day there's a limit to how much you can influence the game when you only have 3 kicks, and it isn't something that's new to Williams. He's only had 10 kicks once in his 11 games as a player. He's had games with only 11 and 14 touches this year. He's certainly shown good signs for the future, what he has done has looked classy, and we know that he's got a natural ability to win the ball so lack of possession winning shouldn't be a long-term issue (given he won 50+ in the SANFL 18's). But lets not kid ourselves with his direct, contributing nature to our games so far - there's only so much that a player who should be winning 20+ touches, in his role, can do when he isn't. It's not as if he's winning 16 touches but 7 or 9 or whatever are contested - he's an outside player who only found space to kick the ball three times in what probably is an hour of game time on the ground. And lets not treat him like a 1st year player - he is a 2nd year player - so when does a sub-15-possesison game cease to be acceptable? 3rd year and 30 games? 4th year and 45?

Again, not saying we shouldn't continue to pick him to develop him for the future, or what he does do doesn't look good, again, for a player for the future and a player of his age, it certainly looks good. But what he's showing for the future, and how he contributes as 1 part of 22 in helping us win games today are completely different things.

I think sub 15 is okay for a 2nd year player. It's about on par really. You wouldn't want to see him with less than 10 though.

 

[Golden_6]

How good has Daniel been since he came back into the team? Getting dropped might've been a bit of a wake up call.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

How good has Daniel been since he came back into the team? Getting dropped might've been a bit of a wake up call.

Might have shed a few kgs too, looked very chunky earlier in the year.

 

[VitalDread]

one thing thats probs been mention is how great Bailey Dale has been over the last couple of weeks. Really starting to cement his spot as that high half forward/wing role
Was part of the 4 goals