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Interesting article, I am very much looking forward to see the Bulldogs play in 2004 with such a tall and talented spine.
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Originally posted by stefoid
Apparently Johno has gone from the 2nd tall forward to the 4th tall forward
And that's without counting Bowden, Croft, McGuiness, etc.
It's a good turnaround, but bald stats like this are always misleading as they do not relate to quality or experience.
Yes, Wiggins is taller than Lloyd and Morgan is taller than Lepitsch, but I know who I'd rather have.
Yes, Wiggins is taller than Lloyd and Morgan is taller than Lepitsch, but I know who I'd rather have.
I liked this bit:
"Rohde hinted that we might see ruckman Luke Darcy (198cm), Bandy (200cm) and Rawlings (196cm) all inside the forward 50m, with Street in the ruck at some stage during the season."
Assuming good delivery (not necessarily certain) I can't think of a defence which wouldn't be stretched by the mobilty of Darcy and Bandy, and the marking power of Rawlings.
"Rohde hinted that we might see ruckman Luke Darcy (198cm), Bandy (200cm) and Rawlings (196cm) all inside the forward 50m, with Street in the ruck at some stage during the season."
Assuming good delivery (not necessarily certain) I can't think of a defence which wouldn't be stretched by the mobilty of Darcy and Bandy, and the marking power of Rawlings.
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It's a huge turnaround but lets hope that there is some quality there.
BTW, anyone else think the heights they quoted on a few of the players seem to have been inflated from last season ?
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I don't know if they inflated the heights BUT I do think that suddenly there is a greater emphasis on this then when he suddenly go them in at the beginning.. Seems like old news especially since Milne had a local article about the heights just after family Day!
Not only do you need Quality along with Height but we also need to have all those players in the one team (even on the ground at same time) to take advantage.
Averages say we are tallest overall.... That means ALL players on list including half of which can't get a senior game at the one time due to 22 restrictions!
Whats a better measure is our 22 height average over that of opponents in a given game..
I think that might give us an even bigger edge (height wise)... And if all our talls are capable of playing, lets stomp them toads!
Not only do you need Quality along with Height but we also need to have all those players in the one team (even on the ground at same time) to take advantage.
Averages say we are tallest overall.... That means ALL players on list including half of which can't get a senior game at the one time due to 22 restrictions!
Whats a better measure is our 22 height average over that of opponents in a given game..
I think that might give us an even bigger edge (height wise)... And if all our talls are capable of playing, lets stomp them toads!
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It's good to see us pick up some tall players, long overdue needless to say.
I wouldnt abandon putting Johnson in the forward line because of the injection of tall players in our squad. He has played some great footy in the forward line.
I wouldnt abandon putting Johnson in the forward line because of the injection of tall players in our squad. He has played some great footy in the forward line.
I actually think we have gone too tall but happy to be proven wrong.
My view is that we 2 talls too many but I would rather have extra than not enough.
My view is that we 2 talls too many but I would rather have extra than not enough.
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Who would have thought that we could ever have had a list that was too tall ?
As you pointed out the list is a little unbalanced but after last season I think we can understand why the club erred on the side of height.
I actually posted something about this last year when we were discussing if we should have drafted Michael Johnson with our last pick in tha National Draft (Thompson)
I thought we might struggle to play all the talls in the right positions given the players we had already committed to.
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Yes it is long overdue.
Welcome to the Doggies board Leon
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Thanks OldSchool.
Great to see plenty of Doggies supporters around this site too.
There's no doubt we have too many talls on the list - who would have thought!
19 guys over 190cm might have worked when we had reserves but not all of the guys who don't play seniors will play Werribee firsts.
Kretiuk, Podsiadly and Mitchell will all play as key talls for Werribee so unless we have injuries 2-3 big guys will find themselves at Werribee seconds. This could be bad news for Minson, Veale and if I had it my way, Wiggins.
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OUCH!
Veale was always going to be a fair way back.
Whether he shows enough to get the match committee to re-comit after his 12 month contract is up is generally up to him, based on performance at weribee 2nds and seniors.
Actually Minson is going to be tried in ruck early on, since Huddo left, in many ways its a blessing to really get some harder games into him
Kretiuk will always be at the other end to Wiggins so he doesn't have to worry about him.
If Mitch doesn't pull his finger out I think Wiggo won't have to worry about him either.
Pods can be played in variety of forward roles, especially out at CHF.
Jimmy Condos is still with weribee I remind you all. He is on our list but doesn't mean straight into senior calculation as yet. Honestly he will be in forward line for Bees this year, but might get an upgrade at season end if he can really grab his chances just at weribee.
Remember he now is training at AFL level at thats bound to help his footy, so lets see him fly in 04, to get into bigger and better things!
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Yeah maybe, I just meant that with all the tall players coming we shouldnt abandon Johnson as a forward line option as he's done pretty well there generally.
Also, for a guy of his size, Johnson is a superb overhead mark.
Hopefully Rohde will use the Wizard Cup to expirement with a few things.
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I suggested a while ago that we should have Johno as more of a midfielder. He can kick goals form 50 and will always do so (part of his style) but we should have a more charged midfield so as to ease some pressure on a still 'bare' looking defense overall.
If we have so many forwards that can work then lets put back players to original positions that we were suffering in, when we decided that goal-power was of more value then a better midfield.
I don't care if its Walsh Bandy Wiggins Rawlings Darcy who are kicking goals from FF CHF and the pockets.
If we get midfielders kicking goals from 50 regularly then Johno can join in there, while helping the rest of the structure, because we lacked structure big time in the last 3 years.
Opponents could stretch our CHF and HF all the way down back leaving 20 miles between FF and closest other player!
If we have so many forwards that can work then lets put back players to original positions that we were suffering in, when we decided that goal-power was of more value then a better midfield.
I don't care if its Walsh Bandy Wiggins Rawlings Darcy who are kicking goals from FF CHF and the pockets.
If we get midfielders kicking goals from 50 regularly then Johno can join in there, while helping the rest of the structure, because we lacked structure big time in the last 3 years.
Opponents could stretch our CHF and HF all the way down back leaving 20 miles between FF and closest other player!
Johno can kick goals from 50? I wouldnt place any money on it! Running from 55m to 40m then unloading, more likely...
Said it before, but Johno is an outside midfielder, and he lacks that real blistering pace and penetrating kick that would make him an elite outside midfielder. He is a good wingman, mainly due to his unbelieveable workrate. But in both those positions, I think we have enough options to afford to have johno play elsewhere.
What sets him apart, as Leon said, is his overhead contested marking. Thats why Id like to see him playing primarilly across half forward where both his best attributes can be used.
No doubt he will spend time rotating on the ball and wing as well.
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I would bet more wisely on Johno then I would on Westee...
Yet everyone reckons Westee can kick from 50 with full results?!?!!?
I guess maybe instead of being a regular forward he could be on ball and just sneak in there like hes done in the past.
That way we still have a proper forward line, plus Johno and Cooney sneaking in for pinch-hit goals, while regular midfielders take a stab from 50 to really mix things up.
If we have so many talls in forward line it will attract tall defenders and if clogged up then even Johno's marking capabilities will be sorely tested against talls coming in to punch the ball away?!?
Yet everyone reckons Westee can kick from 50 with full results?!?!!?
I guess maybe instead of being a regular forward he could be on ball and just sneak in there like hes done in the past.
That way we still have a proper forward line, plus Johno and Cooney sneaking in for pinch-hit goals, while regular midfielders take a stab from 50 to really mix things up.
If we have so many talls in forward line it will attract tall defenders and if clogged up then even Johno's marking capabilities will be sorely tested against talls coming in to punch the ball away?!?
Nobodies going to play a genuine tall on Johno, hes too quick off the mark for most tall defenders. Besides, if they did have a tall defender who was that quick, hed be playing on Rawlings or Bandy instead.
Cooney, will he play round 1, and if so where? he may not have enough puff at this stage for a wing. My guess is half forward rotating with bowdo and johno.
Cooney, will he play round 1, and if so where? he may not have enough puff at this stage for a wing. My guess is half forward rotating with bowdo and johno.
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I think HFF or FP might suit him early on. He will be a difficult match-up for some teams because he is a decent enough mark to cause some problems for smaller opponents.
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What I badly suggested was that if the F50 is choc-full of talls then Johno has less room close to goal to mark in.
He might not be with a tall defender in itself but if close to where everyone else is there is little chance of marking when talls can punch it away.
Johno can easily mark against someone his height or a bit taller, but has always done so with room and a one-on-one situation.
If Rawlings and Bandy are up against Gasper and another tall (say Ottens or stafford for example -unlikely as it may be) then having JOhno trying to mark close to goal when all those people are there is harder then whats expected of him, let alone to do so consistently.....
Hence will mark 45degree angle 40 out would be the sort of regular kicking position.
Quite a few players just as accurate but not as skillful as Johno can be doing that sort of job......
Example) Cooney..
-we know he will be a skillful player in own right.
Thats how he gets into round 1. He can kick 50 regularly and is a good pass when he takes the ball outside 50.
Hence JOhno can be moved to a more 'useful' position while Cooney just needs to do a NFL role of get stray ball and be a kicker.
Cooney gets experience until his body fills out, Johno helps with some more muscle and skill in mdifield (he is stronger then many options in midfield at option)
Eventually when Cooney gets strong then they can switch positions.
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He might not be with a tall defender in itself but if close to where everyone else is there is little chance of marking when talls can punch it away.
Johno can easily mark against someone his height or a bit taller, but has always done so with room and a one-on-one situation.
If Rawlings and Bandy are up against Gasper and another tall (say Ottens or stafford for example -unlikely as it may be) then having JOhno trying to mark close to goal when all those people are there is harder then whats expected of him, let alone to do so consistently.....
Hence will mark 45degree angle 40 out would be the sort of regular kicking position.
Quite a few players just as accurate but not as skillful as Johno can be doing that sort of job......
Example) Cooney..
-we know he will be a skillful player in own right.
Thats how he gets into round 1. He can kick 50 regularly and is a good pass when he takes the ball outside 50.
Hence JOhno can be moved to a more 'useful' position while Cooney just needs to do a NFL role of get stray ball and be a kicker.
Cooney gets experience until his body fills out, Johno helps with some more muscle and skill in mdifield (he is stronger then many options in midfield at option)
Eventually when Cooney gets strong then they can switch positions.
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