Domestic Violence and AFL

[domus]

If you are the calibre of thinker and author the MRA movement can offer up (its truly amazing you have no actual respected scholars backing your cult, oh wait that's completely rational) it's safe to say society is in good shape.

You keep embarrassing yourself. You have not responded to my questions. You have failed to comprehend my very basic article-I seriously teach kids who would have no difficulty in understanding the very clear point to my article. If, as you say, I am low calibre what does that say about you?

There are many wonderful people, many of them women working hard to shine alight on men's issues. This clearly frightens you.

I always get accused of being a woman hater or misogynist when I speak up for men. This is the pathetic well worn method used to close down any discussions. You have been a cardboard caricature of this approach.

I have the most gorgeous wife and daughter-my two soulmates , countless female friends ,including many of the beautiful girls I have taught who are now my dear friends. I recently had the honour of walking one of my ex students down the aisle at her wedding and giving her away. Not bad for a nasty vicious neanderthal who promotes the bashing of women.

 

[The Coup]

I've given my opinion on that piece of shit article that promotes domestic violence (I love that its hosted on another site, so that I can say what I really think and still not breach the BF rules, cheers for that one at least) and what I think of the author.

I'm not going to engage with people like that in any ongoing capacity. Their sickness is on full display for anyone who wants to view it.

 

[Engimal]

I don't understand why violence against women by men is a worthy cause but violence against men by women is something to laugh at.

 

[Raz0r6ack]

I've given my opinion on that piece of shit article that promotes domestic violence (I love that its hosted on another site, so that I can say what I really think and still not breach the BF rules, cheers for that one at least) and what I think of the author.

I'm not going to engage with people like that in any ongoing capacity. Their sickness is on full display for anyone who wants to view it.

Wow way to miss the point, he never promoted domestic violence, he was simply pointing out the double standard with inter-gender violence that reeks through society.

 

[The Coup]

I don't understand why violence against women by men is a worthy cause but violence against men by women is something to laugh at.

People are laughing at those posters, not the issue.

 

[Nasma]

I don't understand why violence against women by men is a worthy cause but violence against men by women is something to laugh at.

It's not something to laugh at. I don't think anyone is saying that, but anyone who does is wrong and cruel.

Here's some stats on partner homicide (parricide) in Australia:

Female victim, female offender: 8%
Female victim, male offender: 36%
Male victim, male offender: 53%
Male victim, female offender: 3%
http://www.aic.gov.au/media_library/publications/tandi2/tandi255.pdf (2003)

Every incident is important, but someone saying that male->female violence is more systemic than female->male is correct, one results in 12x the deaths. Anyone doing good work on any/all of these segments should be admired. It's worth noting that as well as being the majority (89%) of the offenders, men are also the majority (56%) of the victims.

 

[barmy44]

many of the beautiful girls I have taught who are now my dear friends. I recently had the honour of walking one of my ex students down the aisle at her wedding and giving her away. Not bad for a nasty vicious neanderthal who promotes the bashing of women.

a primary school teacher who is now 'dear friends' with students, and 'gave one away' at her wedding?

kids that actually go to primary school together rarely remain friends.

you would have taught these girls when they were somewhere between 5 and 11 years old. and when these girls hit their late teens and early-to-mid 20s, many of them are becoming 'dear friends' with their middle aged primary school teacher?

i think you might be taking a few liberties in trying to make your point about how much females love you there.

also, the comments on your article are scary:

Feminism and white knights (manginas) are going to be the downfall of western civilization.

Have you every heard that song "Good Bye Earl", by the Dixie Chicks? In the song, Earl was a dirtbag, Earl hit his wife. Earl was a bad guy, no question about that.

But let me ask you this: in the song, did Earl poison his wife and dump her body in the lake?

We should be concerned that if women are allowed to assault men for no reason - THATS THE CAUSE OF DOMESTIC VIOLENCE RIGHT THERE. WOMEN ARE AT FAULT - the truth hurts. AND its the Domestic violence apologists like ESPN, the 3 women on The View, The Jezibel women ARE TO BLAME.

black slaves never fought back when they were being beaten and abused by white people. It will not change until men start fighting back and defend their right to do so.

 

[mr_cellotape]

And this is why we can't have nice things. A simple, humble post about a DV foundation turns into 5 and a half pages of 'but what about the mens?!?!' from MRA arseclowns. And these guys wonder why noone takes their supposed cause seriously.

 

[mottrain]

And this is why we can't have nice things. A simple, humble post about a DV foundation turns into 5 and a half pages of 'but what about the mens?!?!' from MRA arseclowns. And these guys wonder why noone takes their supposed cause seriously.

No it is because feminists and moronic males of the mangina variety cannot discuss these things without criticising someone who simply brings up the notion that there is no commenting on violence toward men. This is where the shitfight is stemming out of.

 

[I am Jack]

And this is why we can't have nice things. A simple, humble post about a DV foundation turns into 5 and a half pages of 'but what about the mens?!?!' from MRA arseclowns. And these guys wonder why noone takes their supposed cause seriously.

That is because male suicide is relevant when discussing domestic violence.
I think it is important to recognise that domestic violence is clearly an issue, but if you surveyed the perps of DV -
you'd soon find that most are depressed individuals or not of sound mind.
The public expect guys to recognise and educate themselves about DV, but the public fails to realise that most perps are already verging on suicide, have alcohol/drug abuse issues, and generally spend most their time angry.
The very last thing these guys are going to want to do is recognise DV.
At the heart of the issue is the health and well being of males, that isn't to make this about males either.
Most males that don't have family related issues and are generally sound in mind - treat women with respect and educate themselves about DV.
So let's address the issue of mental health in males - so they too can heal themselves, then educate themselves about DV issues.

 

[JackOutback]

No it is because feminists and moronic males of the mangina variety cannot discuss these things without criticising someone who simply brings up the notion that there is no commenting on violence toward men. This is where the shitfight is stemming out of.

The use of the word mangina to describe any man who has an interest in women's rights says everything about you and absolutely nothing about them. In fact, the use of the word at all reveals to to be of primary school age, or an intellect there and abouts.

 

[mottrain]

The use of the word mangina to describe any man who has an interest in women's rights says everything about you and absolutely nothing about them. In fact, the use of the word at all reveals to to be of primary school age, or an intellect there and abouts.

I have an interest in women's rights. Manginas are those who tend to incredibly ignore all men's rights issuers as if they don't exist.

 

[Santana]

Does domestic violence include child abuse? I was at various times beaten with a vacuum cleaner pipe, and held at knifepoint by my mother as a child, is this domestic violence?

Of course, domestic violence against children is a bigger issue than domestic violence against adults but apparently since it was your mother abusing you it isn't as important if this latest campaign is anything to go by...

 

[domus]

a primary school teacher who is now 'dear friends' with students, and 'gave one away' at her wedding?

kids that actually go to primary school together rarely remain friends.

you would have taught these girls when they were somewhere between 5 and 11 years old. and when these girls hit their late teens and early-to-mid 20s, many of them are becoming 'dear friends' with their middle aged primary school teacher?

i think you might be taking a few liberties in trying to make your point about how much females love you there.

also, the comments on your article are scary:

Are you calling me a liar? I did teach these girls at the age of 11 /12 and they are my friends now. They drop around for a cuppa and the girl I gave away had stayed in contact with me since the year I taught her in grade 3. Do you find this disturbing or unbelievable? If so, why? I also have friendships with many of the boys I taught. I was a groomsman at the wedding of one of these boys too. does that sound unimaginable as well?

 

[barmy44]

Are you calling me a liar? I did teach these girls at the age of 11 /12 and they are my friends now. They drop around for a cuppa and the girl I gave away had stayed in contact with me since the year I taught her in grade 3. Do you find this disturbing or unbelievable? If so, why? I also have friendships with many of the boys I taught. I was a groomsman at the wedding of one of these boys too. does that sound unimaginable as well?

ok...

but yeah, i find it all unbelievable.

 

[MotlopRules]

I don't understand why violence against women by men is a worthy cause but violence against men by women is something to laugh at.

Not something to laugh at.

But as a woman, I do worry about the false equivalency of impact that some men's activists seem to ascribe to DV.

If I were to hit my boyfriend, I doubt I would even leave a mark on him. If he were to hit me with full force, however, he could probably break my jaw. That's just the physical reality of the size and power differential between us.

When people argue that women assaulting men is as big an issue as men assaulting women it worries me, not because I want to downplay men's suffering but because I am concerned it doesn't reflect the very real difference in physical power between men and women.

 

[domus]

I've given my opinion on that piece of shit article that promotes domestic violence (I love that its hosted on another site, so that I can say what I really think and still not breach the BF rules, cheers for that one at least) and what I think of the author.

I'm not going to engage with people like that in any ongoing capacity. Their sickness is on full display for anyone who wants to view it.

I think you are unwell-seriously unwell. I only wish others on this thread would take the time to read my article so they can appreciate what a truly sick, deceitful, bigoted piece of work you truly are.

 

[domus]

Not something to laugh at.

But as a woman, I do worry about the false equivalency of impact that some men's activists seem to ascribe to DV.

If I were to hit my boyfriend, I doubt I would even leave a mark on him. If he were to hit me with full force, however, he could probably break my jaw. That's just the physical reality of the size and power differential between us.

When people argue that women assaulting men is as big an issue as men assaulting women it worries me, not because I want to downplay men's suffering but because I am concerned it doesn't reflect the very real difference in physical power between men and women.

This is not the situation in most cases. If a man so much as slapped a woman in response to her slapping him he would be the one branded an abuser despite the fact hat he didn't initiate and hit back no harder than he received. It is not about power-it is about gender. There are many large women and many small men. If a small man punched a very large woman there would still be outrage. Contrary to what some say-it is not about size and strength-it is about gender. You may not leave a mark on your boyfriend (though I think it highly likely you would) if you hit him but many women do.

Tell me you think these women are not inflicting any damage and tell me what you think the man should do.

Note the woman laughing as she watches these two women beat the man.

 

[Pessimistic]

Afl grand final entertainer sings anthem to domestic violence

 

[domus]

Of course, domestic violence against children is a bigger issue than domestic violence against adults but apparently since it was your mother abusing you it isn't as important if this latest campaign is anything to go by...

Again-another example of the disgracefully bigoted approach to abuse. This clip only talks of male abuse of children. Why? Is there another separate campaign which focuses on female abuse? Women kill and abuse a large percentage of child victims yet once again they are entirely absent as perpetrators. Here are some stats from the Australian Institute of Family Studies:

Given the FACTS below how can anyone defend these gender bigoted campaigns? Is the beating of a child at a man's hands more horrific that a beating at a mother's hands? This is what makes men like me speak up. It is outrageous.

I look forward to an explanation from someone out there.

Physical abuse
Research suggests that both mothers and fathers may physically abuse children. Findings from the ABS Personal Safety Survey (2005) indicated that of participants who had experienced physical abuse before the age of 15, 55.6% experienced abuse from their father/stepfather and 25.9% experienced abuse from their mother/stepmother. A further 13.7% experienced abuse from another known person and the remainder were family friends, other relatives, or strangers (ABS, 2005).

A British retrospective prevalence study of 2,869 young adults aged 18-24 (May-Chahal & Cawson, 2005) found that mothers were more likely than fathers to be responsible for physical abuse (49% of incidents compared to 40%). However, part of the difference may be explained by the greater time children spend with their mothers than fathers. Violence was also reported to be perpetrated by stepmothers (3%) or stepfathers (5%), grandparents (3%) and other relatives (1%) (May-Chahal & Cawson, 2005).

Further research shows that when taking issues of severity into consideration, fathers or father surrogates are responsible for more severe physical abuse and fatalities than female perpetrators (US Department of Health and Human Services [US DHHS], 2005). Other researchers such as Daly and Wilson (1999) have argued that biological parents are less likely than step-parents to physically abuse their biological offspring due to their greater investment in the genetic continuity of their family.

Neglect
Only a person who has a responsibility to provide appropriate care for a child can fail to provide that care, therefore neglect is predominantly a parental issue. However, other individuals who have been charged with the care of a child, such as foster carers, teachers or child care providers can also be responsible for neglect.

Neglect was the most commonly reported form of maltreatment in children in New South Wales, Queensland, South Australia, and the Northern Territory (AIHW, 2014). Research that focuses on the characteristics of adults who neglect children is limited. Prevalence studies rarely assess neglect (Scott, Higgins, & Franklin, 2012). Child protection data indicate that biological parents are held responsible for the majority of neglect cases (AIHW, 2014; Sedlak et al., 2010).

Evidence also suggests that mothers are more likely than fathers to be held responsible for child neglect. In a large representative study that examined the characteristics of perpetrators in substantiated cases of child abuse and neglect in the United States, neglect was the main type of abuse in 66% of cases involving a female caregiver, compared to 36% of cases involving a male caregiver (US DHHS, 2005). This finding is consistent with the fact that mothers tend to be the primary caregiver and are usually held accountable for ensuring the safety of children even in two-parent families. In light of societal views on gender roles, it has been argued that this may constitute unreasonable “mother blaming” (Allan, 2004; Jackson & Mannix, 2004).

 

[JackOutback]

I'm sure you think you are revealing some greater truth, but I can assure you that you are not. Instead, you are revealing your own prejudices and fears.

What is it about men's rights advocates that makes my head hurt so much?

 

[domus]

I'm sure you think you are revealing some greater truth, but I can assure you that you are not. Instead, you are revealing your own prejudices and fears.

What is it about men's rights advocates that makes my head hurt so much?

Please respond to what I write. Please make me look silly by refuting what I just posted. Don't sidestep the specific points I raised- rip them to shreds.You have no answer so you resort to some cutie putdowns.I asked for an explanation and you were not able to provide one. Just wave a white flag in acknowledgement of this rather than tap dance around my post.

Please tell me what I fear and what my prejudices are. I have shown you the facts on child abuse. It shows women are actually more likely than men to perpetrate it. I then referred you to the latest campaign on child abuse which only mentions men as perpetrators and demands that men put an end to it. There is no equivalent campaign targeting women. Now walk me through this-why am I wrong to be angry about this very deliberate refusal to address the issue of female abuse?

You head hurts because difficult questions and simple facts are something you appear unable to handle.

 

[barmy44]

 

[domus]

I love it. You've got nothing. Nothing. I can see you stumbling about at your keyboard--ooh, what can I do? I can't answer his questions..but I have to do something!
By the way-all of the clips I have put up featured black men. Shouldn't we think of them too or are you a racist? You really have been a silly billy.

 

[TooFar]

Afl grand final entertainer sings anthem to domestic violence

Yes it does seem like a poor choice of song.