Mega Thread Don's Party - The future is so bright, we need some pizza and a piss-up

[Slippery Pete]

Then we have 05/06/12/17 where we finish top 2 but can’t get it done.

These four years demonstrate my point even further. In none of those eras were we good enough to stay at the pointy end for a sustained period. After 06 we became the classic “sneak into the eight” team.

12 was a one-off. And 17, well...

 

[OzSparrow]

These four years demonstrate my point even further. In none of those eras were we good enough to stay at the pointy end for a sustained period. After 06 we became the classic “sneak into the eight” team.

12 was a one-off. And 17, well...

And after each of these 4 years, the AFC hierarchy gave themselves a huge pat on the back as they deemed the years to be successful as the profits rolled in and membership and crowd numbers swelled.

Even after '17 the rhetoric was one of a successful year amid the wreckage. Pathetic stuff.

Embracing mediocrity.

 

[Bay62]

Clarkson knows that to win multiple premierships (or sometimes, even just one) you usually have to have a sustained period - I’m talking at least four-five years - where you’re at the pointy end of the finals. And I mean either making grand finals or just missing them. He knows that to snare two or three flags you probably have to make five to six prelims. You can’t rely on everything just coming together once-off, because a finals series has very small margins for error. Look at Richmond last year.

In fact if you look at all the clubs in the AFL era who have won multiple flags in an era, they all made a tonne of prelim finals (except us really). North Melbourne made seven for their two flags, Brisbane five for three, Geelong five for three, Hawthorn six for four.

The Crows’ flags were really an anomaly - we weren’t even competitive in the years directly prior and the years directly after, let alone making prelims.

Clarkson knows what it takes to win a flag and he knows when they’re not in contention. He knew last year (even though they actually still made the finals) and he knows this year.

Us on the other hand...

Well put

I wonder if our two anomalies have dictated our approach. “Anything can happen” did in 97 and 98

Not saying I agree, just seems relevant

 

[Slippery Pete]

Well put

I wonder if our two anomalies have dictated our approach. “Anything can happen” did in 97 and 98

Not saying I agree, just seems relevant

Drugs Are Bad Mackay? has touched on that before. Makes for an interesting discussion.

 

[mattymac]

Well put

I wonder if our two anomalies have dictated our approach. “Anything can happen” did in 97 and 98

Not saying I agree, just seems relevant

Hundred per cent. Winning our first (and only) flags out of nowhere has clearly given us an unrealistic view of the world.

It's folklore. It's our mantra. Make the eight and anything can happen. Just that it never has since then and that was 20 years ago.

They don't seem to realise that was on the back of our start up concessions and a list replete with stars on every line with a genius coach

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Drugs Are Bad Mackay? has touched on that before. Makes for an interesting discussion.

I thought we were almost over it... then the Bulldogs '16 happened

 

[Bay62]

We have relied too much on stars like Eddie and Tex pulling out a magical moment. Maybe we’ve had to because we haven’t had access to the depth of higher draft picks

Meanwhile the Tippett sanctions continue to affect us, so we are reliant on trying to find diamonds in the rough rather than having solid players on every line

The incompetence of those days is mind numbing

 

[Geoffa32]

Clarkson knows that to win multiple premierships (or sometimes, even just one) you usually have to have a sustained period - I’m talking at least four-five years - where you’re at the pointy end of the finals. And I mean either making grand finals or just missing them. He knows that to snare two or three flags you probably have to make five to six prelims. You can’t rely on everything just coming together once-off, because a finals series has very small margins for error. Look at Richmond last year.

In fact if you look at all the clubs in the AFL era who have won multiple flags in an era, they all made a tonne of prelim finals (except us really). North Melbourne made seven for their two flags, Brisbane five for three, Geelong five for three, Hawthorn six for four.

The Crows’ flags were really an anomaly - we weren’t even competitive in the years directly prior and the years directly after, let alone making prelims.

Clarkson knows what it takes to win a flag and he knows when they’re not in contention. He knew last year (even though they actually still made the finals) and he knows this year.

Us on the other hand...

Clarko also knows how to teach other coaches what it takes to win a flag.

The last Premiership not involving Clarkson himself or one of his coaching proteges is Sydney 2012.

Clarko
Beveridge
Hardwick
Simpson

Fagan next in line, after Hardwick or Simpson win it this year.

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[Bonkers000]

Clarko also knows how to teach other coaches what it takes to win a flag.

The last Premiership not involving Clarkson himself or one of his coaching proteges is Sydney 2012.

Clarko
Beveridge
Hardwick
Simpson

Fagan next in line, after Hardwick or Simpson win it this year.

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All the more reason to do what it takes to get Ratten to the club.

 

[Vhaluus]

Clarko also knows how to teach other coaches what it takes to win a flag.

The last Premiership not involving Clarkson himself or one of his coaching proteges is Sydney 2012.

Clarko
Beveridge
Hardwick
Simpson

Fagan next in line, after Hardwick or Simpson win it this year.

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You're mad to take a senior coach from anywhere else honestly.

 

[Geoffa32]

All the more reason to do what it takes to get Ratten to the club.

Saints would have to keep him wouldn't they?

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[Bonkers000]

Saints would have to keep him wouldn't they?

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I would expect saints to offer him the coaching gig. No reason why we can’t beat the saints financially though. Would he still be considered an assistant coach at the moment? That would mean saints would let him break his contract to go to a head coach role.

 

[Bay62]

I would expect saints to offer him the coaching gig. No reason why we can’t beat the saints financially though. Would he still be considered an assistant coach at the moment? That would mean saints would let him break his contract to go to a head coach role.

I can’t see him moving but we should try

You’d think he’d only come here to be senior coach. But then he’s got it already sewn up at the Saints and already knows the players

 

[Bay62]

You're mad to take a senior coach from anywhere else honestly.

No wait, hang on...I thought Port was the “coach factory” producing high quality coaches to move on to successfully coach at other clubs?

Or was that just more of Kenny’s BS?

Hmm let’s see..
1 losing final in 5 years
vs
Clarko 4 flags

I can see how Kenny got confused there

 

[GreyCrow]

Clarko also knows how to teach other coaches what it takes to win a flag.

The last Premiership not involving Clarkson himself or one of his coaching proteges is Sydney 2012.

Clarko
Beveridge
Hardwick
Simpson

Fagan next in line, after Hardwick or Simpson win it this year.

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I like Blake Caracellas record though I can see the appeal of a Ratten

2 x Premierships player (Essendon, Brisbane)
2 x Premierships assistant coach ( Geelong 2011, Richmond 2017 )

 

[jenny61_99]

I wonder if we 'promoted' Camporeale into that made up senior strategy adviser role or whatever it's called so that we can make him and the position redundant?

Listening to Jimmy Bartel on Macquarie Radio this morning and he said all Clubs are trying to move their coaches onto 2 + 1 year rolling contracts where they don't have massive payouts if they want to move them on. Almost like a "standard employment contract" he said.

 

[jenny61_99]

I would expect saints to offer him the coaching gig. No reason why we can’t beat the saints financially though. Would he still be considered an assistant coach at the moment? That would mean saints would let him break his contract to go to a head coach role.

Like North Melbourne.... "after an exhaustive search we found the best person here all along"....

 

[jackster83]

Like North Melbourne.... "after an exhaustive search we found the best person here all along"....

Yeah, I don't get that.

Seems like they've just settled for more of the same. They continue to crap themselves in close games.

 

[Mike Smyth]

That's too late. Needs to be done now so changes are done before free agency/trade week.

"here are the books guys - you've got a week"

 

[Mike Smyth]

I like Blake Caracellas record though I can see the appeal of a Ratten

2 x Premierships player (Essendon, Brisbane)
2 x Premierships assistant coach ( Geelong 2011, Richmond 2017 )

If we don't bring in someone with the character to make wholesale changes (a Blight, Clarkson type) then it's irrelevant who is next up in the AFC hot seat. I would assume we will bring in another rookie coach. Someone we can mold into our successful culture.

 

[GreyCrow]

If we don't bring in someone with the character to make wholesale changes (a Blight, Clarkson type) then it's irrelevant who is next up in the AFC hot seat. I would assume we will bring in another rookie coach. Someone we can mold into our successful culture.

Unfortunately I think this is more likely.

Great podcast called Sacked talked to ex-coaches and Grant Thomas talks something similar.

The quote goes like this " it's hard for players to learn and feel comfortable if the coach is also learning"

It's why we hear of development coaches and premiership coaches IE finishing coaches

Given our probable list changes maybe a Caracella might be OK. Though the original club mould point stands

 

[rocket18]

Like North Melbourne.... "after an exhaustive search we found the best person here all along"....

Yeh, the guy has won two best assistant coach of the year awards and never played for North but apart from that yep its the same thing that we keep doing

 

[Vhaluus]

No wait, hang on...I thought Port was the “coach factory” producing high quality coaches to move on to successfully coach at other clubs?

Or was that just more of Kenny’s BS?

Hmm let’s see..
1 losing final in 5 years
vs
Clarko 4 flags

I can see how Kenny got confused there

Wait what? he said that?

What successful senior coach have Port produced?

 

[OzSparrow]

Wait what? he said that?

What successful senior coach have Port produced?

 

[Vhaluus]

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... who was produced as an Essendon assistant coach before going on to take over Port.

That's my point, what coaches have been produced by Port and then gone on to success as a senior coach at other clubs. 0.