Strategy Draft assistance 2023 [Twomey: NMFC get #19 in 2023, x2 end of 1st rd picks in 2024, and x2 extra rookie list spots in 2024; no Sanders/#11]

[Kangas_11]

Random hypothetical regarding NGA assistance.

Which would we prefer between the following options?

Option 1) Pre-select Sanders, no draft pick needed.

Option 2) NGA access to match bids on both Mckercher and Sanders in the 1st round.

At first glance option 1 looks better, but NGA matching for Mckercher could give us 2 bites at the cherry with pick 2 + 3 (Curtin + Watson?). Might struggle to avoid going into deficit for next year though.

100% won't happen, but it's interesting to think about.

 

[LETSGOKANGAS]

Couldn’t give a **** what other clubs and supporters hear/see. In fact I want the whole league in uproar when we do land our deserved and entitled assistance.

How sweet it’ll be when Clarko and our future premiership captain hold our 5th aloft.

 

[Hearts to hearts]

The whole way the AFL deliberately sets this up and then the faithful media push the narrative is infuriating.

In the suggested 'package', access to Sanders would be the only thing that would be assistance. It is a different debate as to whether or not that is too much or not enough, but in what has been suggested today that and that alone is the assistance.

If FA comp comes back as pick 3, that is what we get, same as any other club would get when their FA leaves. Pick 2 is what we get because we finished 2nd last, PA 1st round pick is what we have as the last part of a trade that means, despite back to back wooden spoons we don't have a number one draft pick on our list, none of it is relevant to assistance. The AFL and the media lump it all together and describe it as a good position to launch from, absolutely irrelevant. The average fan hears, North have three first round picks and access to another potential first rounder and it is easy to suggest that we are being helped too much.

* ended up with 3 top 10 draft picks in 2020, their own, FA comp and Carlton's from a trade, a great "position to launch from" and good luck to them, but it wasn't anything to do with assistance from the AFL. Why should us potentially ending up with a decent hand in this year's draft be considered any differently.

Melbourne will go into this year's draft with a strong hand due to their trading with Freo, the Suns will end up with 3 high picks for loose change, it goes on. We are starting from a long way back and even this year, there could still be clubs that go into the draft in a stronger position than us.

You’re right, just noting that the FA compensation pick isn’t that cut and dried - Adelaide expected better than they got when Crouch left, and I just read a reminder that the Frawley pick to Melbourne came shortly after the AFL had knocked back their request for assistance, so even that one may well have been the PP you give when you’re not giving a PP.

 

[Passmore]

You’re right, just noting that the FA compensation pick isn’t that cut and dried - Adelaide expected better than they got when Crouch left, and I just read a reminder that the Frawley pick to Melbourne came shortly after the AFL had knocked back their request for assistance, so even that one may well have been the PP you give when you’re not giving a PP.

I can't see a way on earth that we get Sanders, juiced up compo for McKay, and a PP.

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[Makeshift Park]

Sam Edmund from about 9min

Saying * will be the landing spot for McKay.
Pick 3 and Sanders coming to us too

 

[justroyal]

So Garry is saying McKay wouldn’t be worth compensation at pick 3?

Ha. Imagine if we finished last.

 

[RHLK]

Good ol' Mark 'Duff' Duffield on WA SEN radio reckons the AFL would be looking backwards not forward if they gave North a PP. 'Simpkin, LDU, Phillips, Sheezel & Wardlaw - in 3 years time, you would pick North's midfield over the Eagles midfield every single time...'

Yes, leaving aside how in WA every single footy-related event must be related to the Eagles somehow, his argument that PP's should be awarded on future projections, not current performance, is so ridiculous you could see the AFL adopting it. Give them even more smoke and mirrors to hide behind while they whip up whatever suits their agenda.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

I can't see a way on earth that we get Sanders, juiced up compo for McKay, and a PP.

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Unless the PP is a later round, then you are surely correct. Free access to Sanders and a juiced compo pick (3) would be our best feasible outcomes for round one.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Good ol' Mark 'Duff' Duffield on WA SEN radio reckons the AFL would be looking backwards not forward if they gave North a PP. 'Simpkin, LDU, Phillips, Sheezel & Wardlaw - in 3 years time, you would pick North's midfield over the Eagles midfield every single time...'

Yes, leaving aside how in WA every single footy-related event must be related to the Eagles somehow, his argument that PP's should be awarded on future projections, not current performance, is so ridiculous you could see the AFL adopting it. Give them even more smoke and mirrors to hide behind while they whip up whatever suits their agenda.

Yes indeed, and don't worry about priority picks, we can just let the AFL Commission decide the entire draft order behind closed doors and based on secret sauce future projections rather than ladder finishing order.

 

[joegreen]

Yes indeed, and don't worry about priority picks, we can just let the AFL Commission decide the entire draft order behind closed doors and based on secret sauce future projections rather than ladder finishing order.

Don't give them ideas!!!

 

[kangatragic]

So Garry is saying McKay wouldn’t be worth compensation at pick 3?

Ha. Imagine if we finished last.

I agree he isn't worth that but we'll take it and run

 

[kangatragic]

Unless the PP is a later round, then you are surely correct. Free access to Sanders and a juiced compo pick (3) would be our best feasible outcomes for round one.

I'd be shocked if we received pick 3 for McKay, Sanders plus a later first round pick. I'd be happy to get the pick 3 plus free access to Sanders

 

[speedy]

So Garry is saying McKay wouldn’t be worth compensation at pick 3?

Ha. Imagine if we finished last.

No he is not worth pick 3, but the system is designed to compensate the bottom teams more. If we get end of first round or after 2nd round, then its going to be a pick in the mid 20's after all the NGA's and F/S, and we get reamed again.

 

[giantroo]

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[Psicosis]

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Translation. Yes, but the assistance package alone won't turn around our fortunes - Club needs to be set up for those picks to thrive.

 

[giantroo]

Part 2 of this is about the assistance package

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[RHLK]

How is 'the other clubs are against it' even relevant, FFS!? Self-interested iceholes....

 

[Better Loosen Up]

Gold Coast through an assistance package, get to draft 3 NGA's in the first round of this years draft that they normally wouldn't get access to.

They currently stand at 8 wins, 10 losses.

Our assistance package after having won 11 games in 4 years has to at least be equivalent to that otherwise the whole system in a nonsense.

Simple!

As far as the other clubs go, the can GAGF!

 

[Sillygit]

How is 'the other clubs are against it' even relevant, FFS!? Self-interested iceholes....

Maybe an idea of, they wouldnt be getting vocal if it didnt look like happening?

 

[Roo202]

You’re right, just noting that the FA compensation pick isn’t that cut and dried - Adelaide expected better than they got when Crouch left, and I just read a reminder that the Frawley pick to Melbourne came shortly after the AFL had knocked back their request for assistance, so even that one may well have been the PP you give when you’re not giving a PP.

Absolutely, exactly why this makes the AFL and their mouth pieces pushing the narrative look like such an amateur organisation. If Bmac leaves as a FA, our comp should be whatever his new contract dictates it should be. Completely separately, if it is determined that we qualify assistance, then it should be given. What happens if we happen to sign a FA ourselves, our assistance vapourises with our FA compensation?

Arguments about whether or not assistance should be provided are a separate issue, currently the AFL has provisions in place to provide teams with sustained poor performance with assistance. As we are reminded continually by the media and the footy public, on nearly every metric available, we are about as bad as a team gets, so we qualify and should receive it.

If other clubs, the media, the footy public don't like it, then campaign to have assistance removed entirely in the future, it isn't relevant to us and this year. At the moment it is in place and we're entitled to it, so we should get it. Aside from some stupid public perception or pandering to the big clubs, there is no reason to try and give us assistance without actually giving us official assistance and doing it that way would only prove what a ridiculous amateur organisation the whole thing is!

 

[Disco Dew]

Maybe an idea of, they wouldnt be getting vocal if it didnt look like happening?

Is it time to unearth the gif????

 

[giantroo]

No.

 

[Psicosis]

Sanders interview was pretty telling I thought.

The emphasis on wanting to play with McKercher (how else would it be possible?) & talking about "best mate" Sheezel.

 

[Sillygit]

Is it time to unearth the gif????

That gif is cursed

 

[Horizons_00]

Absolutely, exactly why this makes the AFL and their mouth pieces pushing the narrative look like such an amateur organisation. If Bmac leaves as a FA, our comp should be whatever his new contract dictates it should be. Completely separately, if it is determined that we qualify assistance, then it should be given. What happens if we happen to sign a FA ourselves, our assistance vapourises with our FA compensation?

Arguments about whether or not assistance should be provided are a separate issue, currently the AFL has provisions in place to provide teams with sustained poor performance with assistance. As we are reminded continually by the media and the footy public, on nearly every metric available, we are about as bad as a team gets, so we qualify and should receive it.

If other clubs, the media, the footy public don't like it, then campaign to have assistance removed entirely in the future, it isn't relevant to us and this year. At the moment it is in place and we're entitled to it, so we should get it. Aside from some stupid public perception or pandering to the big clubs, there is no reason to try and give us assistance without actually giving us official assistance and doing it that way would only prove what a ridiculous amateur organisation the whole thing is!

When anyone in the AFL gets any kind of assistance = fair

When north gets any kind of assistance = no way, how is that fair? Let’s remove all the compensation from the league