Ultimate Glory Draft Roulette: Toby Thurstans, Ryan Ferguson, Bret Thornton or Nathan Carroll?

[Roughies Boys]

I don't think delisting Fitz & Spangher gets us enough salary space. Bring in Jaeger... delist Spangher & Whitecross that should open enough space we only need one of Jaeger or Crouch then go to the draft.

 

[Snoref]

I think that cap space isnt the main issue as it would more likely to be around picks..dont think we have the picks to get JOM without trading a player, then it comes dc own to who...

 

[Snoref]

Woulx our first and second plus WX be enough for JOM?

 

[cryptor]

Forget cap space for a moment.

How do you fit 2 of JOM, Crouch or T.Mitchell into the side?

You need to drop 2 genuine mids from the best 22. Options are Mitchell, Lewis, Shiels, Langford.

So say you drop Shiels and Langford. You now have 2 players who are or have been leading the club and even the entire league in various contested, hard ball, effort stats sitting at VFL. Shiels is way better than depth player and Langford is not going to get the best out of himself on that 4 year deal scrubbing kicks against Williamstown. And they remain ahead of guys like Lovell, Howe, O'Rourke, etc who all want to crack the team and get experience in the guts. They will leave if opportunites aren't there.

I'm sure there is a solution that doesn't involve trading or retiring any of those 4 Hawks but the solution certainly isn't disposing of guys who aren't best 22 and haven't played much if any footy at AFL level for us in 2016.

 

[seysearles]

Forget cap space for a moment.

How do you fit 2 of JOM, Crouch or T.Mitchell into the side?

You need to drop 2 genuine mids from the best 22. Options are Mitchell, Lewis, Shiels, Langford.

So say you drop Shiels and Langford. You now have 2 players who are or have been leading the club and even the entire league in various contested, hard ball, effort stats sitting at VFL. Shiels is way better than depth player and Langford is not going to get the best out of himself on that 4 year deal scrubbing kicks against Williamstown. And they remain ahead of guys like Lovell, Howe, O'Rourke, etc who all want to crack the team and get experience in the guts. They will leave if opportunites aren't there.

I'm sure there is a solution that doesn't involve trading or retiring any of those 4 Hawks but the solution certainly isn't disposing of guys who aren't best 22 and haven't played much if any footy at AFL level for us in 2016.

Trade them. Sentimentality aside, if we could get a JOM in exchange for Shiels and a late 2nd rounder or a Tom Mitchell for a Will Langford and a late first rounder then I think that is something we should seriously consider (I can hear the ghost of JK3 groaning in the background as I type that). The game is to make your list as potent as possible with the assets you have at your disposal. Surely those two scenarios would be a net gain for the club notwithstanding the unlikely scenario that Shiels or Langford suddenly turn into A-Graders at their future clubs.

 

[TyHawk]

The cheapest option is to lock crouch early in trade week. But if JOM is serious about joining the Hawks then someone like Silk may be let go. He has indicated last year about going around 'one more year' which is this year and hasn't been signed up yet!! But for me I will be happy with crouch if that means our cap space can't afford anyone else and Silk gets another year.

 

[Brant]

Sure if we want to decimate our tall stocks. Fitz and Spang would need to be replaced by talls that are good depth

I agree, in theory.
Yet in a time when we've had zero Roughy & minimal Schoey, they've amassed 1 game (or 3 minutes) between them; &, neither will play another senior game in 2016.

So, are they really 'depth', or just by dimension & presence on the list?

Spanker isn't going to be a meaningful contributor to our 2017 Season so keeping him on the list doesn't actually achieve anything. Fitz should have a better year, but then so will Surman.

 

[flinchfree]

I agree I expect Fitz to return as long as he can come back at BH soon which reports indicate is possible.
Spang is just too injury prone.
Posters need to build a list not a supercoach or aa squad

I'd be comfortable releasing White-X and Webster to bring on Jaeger and Crouch.
Think were ahead, just as young or maybe younger on the list, and can keep all of the greats who by years end have earned another go around.

Other spots could include Teia Miles, Litherland or even JOR if it was deemed we have seen his ceiling and were better off cutting bait and bringing in fresh talent.

Accumulate the most/best talent you can, have them fight it out and produce their best form to deserve a spot in the first 22. If a couple then have to leave for more opportunities, that's how it should be, and then draft the next group through who are 5 years younger to develop and be ready when they're ready.

Plenty of ways to massage the list.

 

[Jables]

The thought of having no Mitchell running around for us in a few years keeps me up at night, but of the two players we're probably not going to get I'd rather have O'Meara coz he can kick, and is similarly hard at it while having much more athleticism.

 

[The Lemon]

Por que no Los dos

 

[wallyt99]

.......notwithstanding the unlikely scenario that Shiels or Langford suddenly turn into A-Graders at their future clubs.

Trade them and they are dead certain to become A-grade.

I can see us trading Shiels though. He's a quality mid whose had a bad year... Next year he has a huge upside (trade value) but could also just stagnate.

 

[halfback dasher]

The cheapest option is to lock crouch early in trade week. But if JOM is serious about joining the Hawks then someone like Silk may be let go. He has indicated last year about going around 'one more year' which is this year and hasn't been signed up yet!! But for me I will be happy with crouch if that means our cap space can't afford anyone else and Silk gets another year.

Bergs is happy to sign and not holding off , balls in clubs court there .

 

[James Colorado]

Por que no Los dos

Trabajos mas con el gif.

 

[Roughies Boys]

cryptor I agree to disagree. Mitchell can rotate to Half-back. Langford still needs to earn his spot

We also have future draft pick trading. So 2× late first round picks.

 

[Gralin]

I agree, in theory.
Yet in a time when we've had zero Roughy & minimal Schoey, they've amassed 1 game (or 3 minutes) between them; &, neither will play another senior game in 2016.

So, are they really 'depth', or just by dimension & presence on the list?

Spanker isn't going to be a meaningful contributor to our 2017 Season so keeping him on the list doesn't actually achieve anything. Fitz should have a better year, but then so will Surman.

As it stands I don't consider Spang useful depth, this concussion Fitz has hopefully will be done soon and and not an issue moving forward
Of the two I think Fitz has more upside at this point. My issue was trading out ruck and KPD depth and not replacing with the same.
I'm not talking project players like Surman just actual useful depth for next year.

 

[hawker39]

We need to update the midfield urgently. The inclusion of any combination of O'Meara, Mitchell and Crouch is the way to go. We will have to forgo 1st round picks (and maybe a 2nd rounder as well) over the next 2 years but these players at their ages are worth it. We couldn't select better as these are known quantities. All 3 are excellent to very good.

I would like to keep all of Hodge, Mitchell, Gibson and Burgoyne in 2017. The question is do we have enough cap space for everyone. If we had to let one of the oldies go in order to bring a new player in then I agree with that strategy.

Delisting Spangher is pretty obvious. Then it is out of Whitecross, Webster, Willsmore, Litherland, Fitzpatrick and Shoenmakers as possible delistings (maybe a trade). Tim O'Brien and Brad Hill are possible trade options.

 

[Roughies Boys]

We need to update the midfield urgently. The inclusion of any combination of O'Meara, Mitchell and Crouch is the way to go. We will have to forgo 1st round picks (and maybe a 2nd rounder as well) over the next 2 years but these players at their ages are worth it. We couldn't select better as these are known quantities. All 3 are excellent to very good.

I would like to keep all of Hodge, Mitchell, Gibson and Burgoyne in 2017. The question is do we have enough cap space for everyone. If we had to let one of the oldies go in order to bring a new player in then I agree with that strategy.

Delisting Spangher is pretty obvious. Then it is out of Whitecross, Webster, Willsmore, Litherland, Fitzpatrick and Shoenmakers as possible delistings (maybe a trade). Tim O'Brien and Brad Hill are possible trade options.

Can't sell up massively.

Keep all 5..
Grab Jaeger.
Delist - Spang, Whitecross, Webster. Trade out Hill & Litherland together.
Go to the draft with a 1st round pick still. Upgrade Kade Stewart.

 

[Jason Dunstall]

Forget cap space for a moment.

How do you fit 2 of JOM, Crouch or T.Mitchell into the side?

You need to drop 2 genuine mids from the best 22. Options are Mitchell, Lewis, Shiels, Langford.

So say you drop Shiels and Langford. You now have 2 players who are or have been leading the club and even the entire league in various contested, hard ball, effort stats sitting at VFL. Shiels is way better than depth player and Langford is not going to get the best out of himself on that 4 year deal scrubbing kicks against Williamstown. And they remain ahead of guys like Lovell, Howe, O'Rourke, etc who all want to crack the team and get experience in the guts. They will leave if opportunites aren't there.

I'm sure there is a solution that doesn't involve trading or retiring any of those 4 Hawks but the solution certainly isn't disposing of guys who aren't best 22 and haven't played much if any footy at AFL level for us in 2016.

If, & only if, we got two of those players, the bold line looks after itself.
The match committee pick the best players.
If you're not performing, or filling a role, off to the magoo's.
Seems like a good issue to have for mine.
And if they then leave because they aren't getting the opportunities, that just means they weren't performing.

 

[jpzhawk]

Spangher should be delisted for sure. Like the bloke but he is done as footballer due to injury.

Hill has been ordinary since 2014 but because he has been part of the success we could get a bit for him. Off load him to Freo to be with his bro for a pick and a player ?

Whitex is another we could let go for another trade or late pick.

Shiels and Langers stay.

We get one of Jom, Mitchell or Crouch to compliment mids.

We need a big forward to fill in and help Gunners, Scicilly and TOB because the big Rough is an unknown.

Our ability to transform players into real players is second to none. Cloke is not out the relms of being transformed by us but highly doubt it will happen. We need someone though. Shoey not agressive enough to be relied on in this pozzy.

I'm sure there are a few others on the list that could be used as bait aswell.

 

[Hawthorn4ever]

Shiels is valuable to Hawthorn but this currency is deflated at other clubs.
Hill is tradeable and would have suitors.
Langers is in the Shiels boat.

Out of our best 22.

Bruest, Sicily, O'Brien, Schoenmakers, McEvoy, Hartung - all have good currencies given their upside, age etc.

Hartung should be a prime candidate for JOM

 

[cryptor]

cryptor I agree to disagree. Mitchell can rotate to Half-back. Langford still needs to earn his spot

We also have future draft pick trading. So 2× late first round picks.

If Mitchell rotates to half back he still needs to rotate with someone.

This is probably the reason why Burgoyne hasn't been re-signed yet. If we can land 2 of these young star mids then he is the logical one to go given he'd only realistically play on one more season. The only other regular back line player who goes through the middle (even then rarely) is Duryea and while Burgoyne is better, Duryea has many years left with us. He'd be getting a Litherland level of opportunity if we kept Burgoyne and got 2 of the mids.

 

[burner1]

I can see us only getting one mid this year through trades. Our kpp stocks are non existent. Assuming rough doesn't come back and Gibbo will retire in next 12 months we have Frawley, brand, Tob and shoey. And that's it. Our rucks are also very light on.

If we don't get the spine right the mids don't matter.

 

[Roughies Boys]

If Mitchell rotates to half back he still needs to rotate with someone.

This is probably the reason why Burgoyne hasn't been re-signed yet. If we can land 2 of these young star mids then he is the logical one to go given he'd only realistically play on one more season. The only other regular back line player who goes through the middle (even then rarely) is Duryea and while Burgoyne is better, Duryea has many years left with us. He'd be getting a Litherland level of opportunity if we kept Burgoyne and got 2 of the mids.

How do we pull off two trades for two of them?

 

[Dixie Flatline]

Trade hypothetical scenarios belong in the specific thread. Don't clutter this thread with such posts. A cleanup will be applied.

 

[Roughies Boys]

I can see us only getting one mid this year through trades. Our kpp stocks are non existent. Assuming rough doesn't come back and Gibbo will retire in next 12 months we have Frawley, brand, Tob and shoey. And that's it. Our rucks are also very light on.

If we don't get the spine right the mids don't matter.

Kurt Heatherley & developing lad Luke Surman says hi