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sr36 said:
That's not terrible for the Saints. Just depends on whether they see the gap between 2 and 7 being bigger than the gap between 8 and 16.
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North dont give a shit if its good for the saints its what north wants that matters .Pretty simple actually north get the deal they want that,s all that they care about

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aussierulesrules said:
That would achieve exactly what North seem to be trying to do, if they were sure they would get Tauru at 7.

Their objective seems to be:

Get Tauru and another top 20 pick.

Getting 7 and 18 for 2 potentially achieves both of those objectives.

And if doing those deals means Richmond get 2, without having lost 6, they achieve what they seem to want to do.

While we presumably get the guy we would have taken at 7, at 8, then we have another crack just 3 picks later, then a bonus pick at 20.

Looks like an excellent result all-round to me.

The only potential issue (if North are sure Richmond won’t take Tauru at 6), is the potential of Melbourne spoiling the party at 5.

Otherwise, that seems like a deal that has a lot to like from all parties.
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Yeah I’m not crazy on it…..there’d need to be ironclad agreements that Tauru is getting to 7 for a start…..then pick 18? Hmmmm. We will all know soon
 
Amacca 23 said:
North dont give a shit if its good for the saints its what north wants that matters .Pretty simple actually north get the deal they want that,s all that they care about

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What are you on about? The same applies for every team in a pick swap. Deal doesn't go ahead unless all sides are happy with it.
 
LB2Snake said:
Yeah I’m not crazy on it…..there’d need to be ironclad agreements that Tauru is getting to 7 for a start…..then pick 18? Hmmmm. We will all know soon
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Well you wouldn’t get that because Melbourne would have no reason to give you such an agreement. But if you’re worried about them the only pick you’d be willing to trade back to would be 4.

And trading back to 4 doesn’t get you the extra top 20 pick that you’re seemingly after.
 
LB2Snake said:
Yeah I’m not crazy on it…..there’d need to be ironclad agreements that Tauru is getting to 7 for a start…..then pick 18? Hmmmm. We will all know soon
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Considering this whole discussion and what North are after, it just seems crazy that Nth traded pick 25 for Daniel.
 

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marcmurphy3 said:
Not garbage. I think most agree it makes sense in principle, but it needs to be a trade that suits both parties. And that trade has to include 6 among other things. The author agrees as every scenario he painted involves 6.

I feel scenario 3 is most likely. 1 is not good for Tigers. 4 in not good for North. 2 Tigers don't seem keen on even though I think it's a great trade for them.

3 is about fair. Slightly in favour of the Tigers on paper but if Roos plan to pick Tauru at 2 anyway (not saying they do) then 18 is a bonus and they can't really say no.
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None of them are any good for us, makes no sense trading up 4 spots for pick 2. We have a chance to get the midfielder we want at 1 then wait to see who falls at 6.
This whole idea of grabbing 1 & 2 is nuts, we are in the 1st year of a rebuild. Just take all our picks to the draft unless we get a ridiculous over the top offer.
 
Tasmanian saint said:
Wouldn’t be a bad trade swap 7 for 8 though much better value than paying the massive overs that north want for pick 2
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Unless we were planning on taking Tauru at 7, it wouldn’t matter if we gave them 7 or 8, as we’d get the same player whichever of the two picks we had. And then our next pick would be 11.
 
Grockadoc said:
I would love Jaques. Would be the perfect Short upgrade and a terrific half back partner with Travaglia. If we could land both, it would be amazing.
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I do like Jacques although I feel top 20 is a bit early but I suppose Richmond have enough picks they can afford to go early in the 20s (unless they trade back for more picks). But yes I think for someone in the 2nd round he will be great value. He's the sort of player that to me has good skills and a great footy brain once he fills out.
 
Wee Jessies said:
My reading on the trade pick 2 conversation is that:
  • Richmond think that the player at 6 won't be far behind the player at 2 and are not applying a large premium to move up to that pick.
  • North have a dearth of young KP players on their list and are willing to pay overs to go bang in this draft, noting that KPs are after mids, especially Tauru.
  • North are rightly in a hurry to fast-track the rebuild and highly value bringing forward next year's picks
  • Right or wrong, this draft is viewed as vastly superior to next year and clubs aren't very interested in trading out of this draft even with later picks (I think only one underage player made best 22 at the u18. A lot of this year's draftees played really well at league level when given opportunities).
  • Clubs are wary of the scrutiny of trading off a player that they could have got.
It is like picks next year are worth 10 picks lower in this year's draft. So North need to think like their F1 is worth pick 15 this year and that the slide from 2 to 6 in this draft is not worth much at all. I appreciate that is madness but I feel it is close to reality.

Potentially a three-way with Saints and GWS emerges (maybe later pick swaps to balance out):

North In: 7, 15
Out: 2, F1

GWS In: 2, 32
Out: 15, 16

Saints In: North F1 and 16
Out: 7, 32

Don't think North should or would do that deal but I am just pointing out what I think it would take.
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That would be the most ridiculous robbery by gws ever.

Posters need to stop inventing scenarios re p2. It won't be traded because the prices on offer don't work.
 
Andy_Mac said:
It actually hard to see how North can get anyone to bite given that the top 5 are so even.

I'll try a hypothetical using my side.

Melbourne trade 9 to GWS for 15 & 16, then
Melbourne trade 5, 15 & F2 to North for 2 & F1

GWS get 9
North get 5, 15 and a F2
Melbourne get 2, 16 and a F1
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Personally, I think Tauru is the most exciting prospect in the draft and they should and will take him at 2. But fair enough that they're looking around for freebies if they're confident the others don't rate him as highly as that.
 
sr36 said:
Personally, I think Tauru is the most exciting prospect in the draft and they should and will take him at 2. But fair enough that they're looking around for freebies if they're confident the others don't rate him as highly as that.
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agreed. I can't see a trade happening. If they want him, they just have to take him at 2
 
Wee Jessies said:
I don't know if Saints take that risk as they could underperform next year.
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Yeah it’s a horrible trade I think best case I see st kilda finishing middle of the ladder next season that would still make it basically pick 7 and 10 just to move up five places to pick 2 . If we actually offered that and north didn’t take it and ran there crazy .
 

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