Rumour Draft Rumours 2024 - No rumours allowed

[The Talent Scout]

Well its 10 18 and 20. North have a plethora of early picks that are midfielder. They should be trying to get 3 first round picks to actually have a balanced list

Your right about a balanced list, while we wont know till draft night I suspect 10,18 and 20 wont cut it and I know that some people think we all are thinking a ransom for our pick 2 but in reality the majority of us know that its not going to happen. It will be about the players we are after and a fair trade and lets face it, pick 2 will get you a gun midfielder! Pick 10 wont get us the player we are after hence why Brady has said "we will trade out IF WE GET A GOOD OFFER, we are open to sliding back a few spots, but not to far" otherwise we we look at trading in our futures.

 

[Jeremias]

Can we just rename this thread to “North fans begging to trade pick 2” because that’s what it basically is. Nothing to do with any actual rumours here.

The thread is aptly named already.

There are no rumours allowed here, expecting there to be any is silly.

 

[Trent the flight Steward]

Look, its a good effort, just a couple of things, which Whitlock do you have us getting? Kako at 13, when bombers traded their first round pick because the hot mail was that he would be bid on before pick 9. Why does everyone think the Demons are heavily into Harry Armstrong?

First of all they have Van Rooyen, Fritsch who is only 27, Mathew Jefferson who the Dees got at pick #15 in the 2022 national draft, Harrison Petty is listed as a key forward but to me is a defender, still he can pinch hit and Luker Kentfield who was pick #11 in this years mid-seasons draft, either two things happening here, 1/ that Armstrong linked to the Dees is another smokescreen in this draft, or 2/ they are completely cooked! They need classy midfielders, and if anything Tauru appeals more because May is 32 and Lever is 28, 29 in March, so looking at the whole picture if they don't want to trade up with us to get a gun midfielder then Tauru and the next best midfielder is Melbourne's best bet with their two early picks.

Yep I did think that, but it allows petty to go back to centre half back if they get armstrong in 2 years time and gives them van rooyan and armstrong spine for a decade and reid in the middle. They may go tauru as he can play anywhere too. Whitlocks are like the kings not sure it matters which one you get they are similar. They might also go hotton too. As they'll have reid make an instant impact.

I can't see north holding onto pick 2, what are your thoughts?

 

[LB2Snake]

The thread is aptly named already.

There are no rumours allowed here, expecting there to be any is silly.

There actually are no rumours. Clubs keeping very quiet this year.

 

[The Talent Scout]

North definitely want the Pick 2 trade to happen no matter what they say. They have dug a hole for themselves and are desperately trying to find a way out but really don't have not much leverage. With only the one pick and although a great pick but with this year's group being so even it isn't as appealing to sell the farm for it as it would normally be in past years. If it does happen, they will be getting unders which their supporters will finally realize on draft night that even with a F1 dangled it still won't even attract a fair price.

Well there you go now, leverage is an interesting word isn't it? What would you say if I said to you that another way in looking at this years draft is that while we do want to trade out for two nice picks in this draft and might be even willing to throw a future 2nd on the table, that even with picks 2 and 62 at the moment, we have leverage over Richmond, because what if we know tigers feverishly wanted that pick 2, another gun midfielder to go with their number one draft pick is what the doctor ordered, this whole we will take whoever is left at pick 6 or we are after Josh Smillie and that's where he is likely to fall, so no need to trade up is amusing and complete nonsense.

If the tigers do have Josh at number two on their whiteboard then its a different matter but I've got a feeling that probably isn't the case. Finally, for the 10,000th time, yes the draft is even {after pick 6 in the open draft} but before 6 its not, gun midfielders with different abilities and the way they go about it, after pick one, its a very big gamble to wait on pick 6 for your second midfielder unless of course its Josh or Harvey and even then one of those players that are number two on your board might be gone. This could well be a case of both clubs wanting "that deal" and if that's the case then even though supporters from both teams wont be happy, it will get worked out fair & square on draft night with a few other picks trading places.

 

[The Talent Scout]

Trades get worse every day, even in less time than a day.
At this rate, by the draft pick 2 will be worth 23, 46 and a F4.
Ah well. Great times.

Great post, couldn't stop laughing, every half an hour, "but its an even draft and we'll give you this because your list manager has backed you guys into a corner" as well as "that deal is not happening we have said that picks ??? are off the table, wont happen"!

 

[T4P]

Well there you go now, leverage is an interesting word isn't it? What would you say if I said to you that another way in looking at this years draft is that while we do want to trade out for two nice picks in this draft and might be even willing to throw a future 2nd on the table, that even with picks 2 and 62 at the moment, we have leverage over Richmond, because what if we know tigers feverishly wanted that pick 2, another gun midfielder to go with their number one draft pick is what the doctor ordered, this whole we will take whoever is left at pick 6 or we are after Josh Smillie and that's where he is likely to fall, so no need to trade up is amusing and complete nonsense.

If the tigers do have Josh at number two on their whiteboard then its a different matter but I've got a feeling that probably isn't the case. Finally, for the 10,000th time, yes the draft is even {after pick 6 in the open draft} but before 6 its not, gun midfielders with different abilities and the way they go about it, after pick one, its a very big gamble to wait on pick 6 for your second midfielder unless of course its Josh or Harvey and even then one of those players that are number two on your board might be gone. This could well be a case of both clubs wanting "that deal" and if that's the case then even though supporters from both teams wont be happy, it will get worked out fair & square on draft night with a few other picks trading places.

Your logic is that North would have leverage if they knew that Richmond desperately wanted pick 2. That's not saying much.

Saying North have leverage over Richmond in any other scenario is silly.

 

[The Talent Scout]

Travis Cloke has been analysing what all of the list managers/recruiters have been stating publicly. He reckons there's a lot of smoke and shadows behind the windows.

Well well well, what do you know, Travis is moving up in the world.

 

[The Talent Scout]

The thread is aptly named already.

There are no rumours allowed here, expecting there to be any is silly.

Ha ha ha, POTW!

 

[sr36]

Your logic is that North would have leverage if they knew that Richmond desperately wanted pick 2. That's not saying much.

Saying North have leverage over Richmond in any other scenario is silly.

It's pretty clear that North wanted to do what would have been snapped up in most other drafts. Trade 2 for about 5 and get a good pick in return.

Doesn't look like they can do that in this draft. Not sure why anyone thinks they're now desperate with great leverage over them.

 

[LB2Snake]

Great post, couldn't stop laughing, every half an hour, "but its an even draft and we'll give you this because your list manager has backed you guys into a corner" as well as "that deal is not happening we have said that picks ??? are off the table, wont happen"!

Great old racing saying, “Always back self interest, at least you know it’s trying!”

What will be will be, really…….generally when both club’s supporters are unhappy, it’s a fair deal.

 

[T4P]

It's pretty clear that North wanted to do what would have been snapped up in most other drafts. Trade 2 for about 5 and get a good pick in return.

Doesn't look like they can do that in this draft. Not sure why anyone thinks they're now desperate with great leverage over them.

yeah I don't see any desperation here, they just take best available at 2, boo hoo

 

[LB2Snake]

It's pretty clear that North wanted to do what would have been snapped up in most other drafts. Trade 2 for about 5 and get a good pick in return.

Doesn't look like they can do that in this draft. Not sure why anyone thinks they're now desperate with great leverage over them.

No one knows though. We are all guessing…….deals could be agreed to. Things could change on the night. There always a surprise.

 

[Giant Strides]

I would think that there would be literally dozens of deals that have been discussed between multiple clubs, that are essentially set up as "possible trades".

Some of those may come about on ND night, either through desperation, or more likely because a certain player is available at a specific pick, and a team is willing to pay a premium to get that player.

It's just normal business to the professionals.

Who won't be into the chest-puffed-out dick-measuring going on elsewhere ...

 

[master bate]

Look, its a good effort, just a couple of things, which Whitlock do you have us getting? Kako at 13, when bombers traded their first round pick because the hot mail was that he would be bid on before pick 9. Why does everyone think the Demons are heavily into Harry Armstrong?

Dees won’t bid on Kako now and one of the more possible first rounds traded is a St Kilda - GWS - Ess deal centred around 8, 15/16, future first, later picks. So the bombers might be able to avoid a St Kilda bid. Saints or Richmond seem the likely bid spot.

I believe the Dees took a good look at Armstrong. He’s really close to being an elite tall forward prospect. JVR is solid and Jeffo is still a chance to make it but on talent alone that wouldn’t stop you grabbing a guy you loved especially at 9. But he’s probably just a little much on the side of a gamble to really commit to.

I do think the Tauru links are legit tho. But also he’ll go to North one way or the other.

I suspect you’ll see balance in Melbournes picks both in body size and role. Langford and Murphy Reid. Or Jagga and Bo Allan, Travaglia.

 

[Chip Scab1]

No, for the same reason you don’t want to trade your F1 for 15. It’s too much of a price to pay, as much as I would love FOS

...

And then we’ll keep throwing open chequebooks at the likes of LDU and Finn Callaghan, until we land one.

We’ll just keep steadily adding pieces. I like the fact that we seem to be resisting the urge to overpay to be seen to be doing something in the last couple of years. Or to try and take shortcuts.

Ok, I have some time to respond to this now.

Firstly, LDU is 26, if you want to throw $1.5m a year at him (before you've even made finals) and he chooses you guys, so be it. I think he's a good man and a really good player. But to me, I'm not going more than $1.1m a year for him. I don't think he's a good enough kick to warrant more than that (not that he's had anything other than Larkey to kick to since he came into the game).

As for acquiring free agents, you blokes have had much better luck than us so it's a real solution available to you which I personally don't think is available to us.

 

[sr36]

Dees won’t bid on Kako now and one of the more possible first rounds traded is a St Kilda - GWS - Ess deal centred around 8, 15/16, future first, later picks. So the bombers might be able to avoid a St Kilda bid. Saints or Richmond seem the likely bid spot.

I believe the Dees took a good look at Armstrong. He’s really close to being an elite tall forward prospect. JVR is solid and Jeffo is still a chance to make it but on talent alone that wouldn’t stop you grabbing a guy you loved especially at 9. But he’s probably just a little much on the side of a gamble to really commit to.

I do think the Tauru links are legit tho. But also he’ll go to North one way or the other.

I suspect you’ll see balance in Melbournes picks both in body size and role. Langford and Murphy Reid. Or Jagga and Bo Allan, Travaglia.

Essendon have an interesting draft night ahead of them with so many picks. But decisions to make about when to offload 28 and 31 to get maximum value without them getting swallowed as matching points.

I think they'll hold them and if Kako gets an early bid match and have some decent picks left over. But if it gets to a certain point, they're trading them. But then it gets nervy, do you hold them for another pick when a club says no? Or perhaps they'll get a decent offer and trade them off the bat.

 

[sr36]

yeah I don't see any desperation here, they just take best available at 2, boo hoo

Yeah, the commentary around it is silly. Most club's would love to trade their picks between 2 and 62 to get up to 2. Richmond, Melbourne, GWS and Saints the exceptions - unfortunately for North.

 

[The Talent Scout]

Yep I did think that, but it allows petty to go back to centre half back if they get armstrong in 2 years time and gives them van rooyan and armstrong spine for a decade and reid in the middle. They may go tauru as he can play anywhere too. Whitlocks are like the kings not sure it matters which one you get they are similar. They might also go hotton too. As they'll have reid make an instant impact.

I can't see north holding onto pick 2, what are your thoughts?

Hey Trent the flight Steward, again with Armstrong, while I rate him very highly I would be gobsmacked if they picked him, they have Jefferson and a couple of others, Tauru and the next best midfielder would be the way to go but there lies the problem, forget academy picks and father/sons, we know where they are going, at their first pick they get one shot at the big six {midfielders}, if they go Tauru at 5 then the the top six gun mids will be gone and then they choose someone else who is maybe a part time mid/forward/defender.

Likewise if they went Smillie or Langford at that pick, who do they go for at pick 9, three players come to mind looking at their list, {think Tauru will be gone at pick 9, but stranger things have happened} so the three players I would be looking at would be: Tobie Travaglia, Bo Allan or Luke Trainor, they need a really good young defender back there. On pick 2 well its been done to death, forget pick #1 as a talking point, the tigers will take a gun, all the talk is what we do with pick #2.

Depending who the tigers choose at pick#1, I think a possible deal has been "handshaked on", if we don't get a fair deal for pick 2 then I think we will use it and trade in our future first and second or one or the other {if you ask the AFL they will allow it} as I've said before what supporters want and what the club does, can at times be very different, but there are major questions to be asked that people have simply skipped around or not addressed more closely:

1/ Forget the media and some supporters who are not being logical, How badly does Richmond want pick #2?
2/ How badly do we want to offload pick #2 if we don't get the required outcome for our future pick/s?
3/ Already {we are only 10 days away from the national draft} and in my eyes there are more smokescreens in this draft than at an Indian reserve, clubs keeping their targets under lock & key, there are going to be surprises, you can bet your bottom dollar on it! One thing I know for certain, who the tigers pick at one and what we do/pick at 2 will shape this whole draft.

 

[sr36]

3/ Already {we are only 10 days away from the national draft} and in my eyes there are more smokescreens in this draft than at an Indian reserve, clubs keeping their targets under lock & key, there are going to be surprises, you can bet your bottom dollar on it! One thing I know for certain, who the tigers pick at one and what we do/pick at 2 will shape this whole draft.

With 3 clubs holding 8 of the first 11 picks there's much more reason to hide your hand and play games.

 

[Ura]

Interesting looking at last years 1st round swaps on the night…

GWS - 8 and 17 for
Adelaide - 11, 15 and f2
? West coast offered F1

Essendon - 11 and 31
Cats - 10


Saints - 17
Giants - 18 and crows F2

 

[captain cotch 9]

HS linking Draper to the Blues at 3 ahead of FOS.

 

[Mostyn]

HS linking Draper to the Blues at 3 ahead of FOS.

Still had them taking FOS in their Phantom.

 

[Obeanie1]

Look, its a good effort, just a couple of things, which Whitlock do you have us getting? Kako at 13, when bombers traded their first round pick because the hot mail was that he would be bid on before pick 9. Why does everyone think the Demons are heavily into Harry Armstrong?

First of all they have Van Rooyen, Fritsch who is only 27, Mathew Jefferson who the Dees got at pick #15 in the 2022 national draft, Harrison Petty is listed as a key forward but to me is a defender, still he can pinch hit and Luker Kentfield who was pick #11 in this years mid-seasons draft, either two things happening here, 1/ that Armstrong linked to the Dees is another smokescreen in this draft, or 2/ they are completely cooked! They need classy midfielders, and if anything Tauru appeals more because May is 32 and Lever is 28, 29 in March, so looking at the whole picture if they don't want to trade up with us to get a gun midfielder then Tauru and the next best midfielder is Melbourne's best bet with their two early picks.

Melbourne's tall forward issues still remain. They havent fixed that yet so a quality tall forward with one of their picks is a no brainer IMO.

Best mid available with 5.

Best KP forward with 9.

 

[Obeanie1]

Your right about a balanced list, while we wont know till draft night I suspect 10,18 and 20 wont cut it and I know that some people think we all are thinking a ransom for our pick 2 but in reality the majority of us know that its not going to happen. It will be about the players we are after and a fair trade and lets face it, pick 2 will get you a gun midfielder! Pick 10 wont get us the player we are after hence why Brady has said "we will trade out IF WE GET A GOOD OFFER, we are open to sliding back a few spots, but not to far" otherwise we we look at trading in our futures.

It wont cut it from Richmonds perspective either.

No way they trade out three 1sts for a pick 2 in this draft.

Simply not worth it.