Rumour Draft Rumours 2024 - No rumours allowed

[Sphynx]

I am really getting sick and tired of your condescending tone

Reading comprehension is not my strongest suit, right

You have head in the sand brother, if a journo says something you agree with, you point to it, if they don't you disregard it

How old are you?

Then stop continually fabricating things that have not been written in every second post and then jumping down others throats and you wont get these reactions.

Like the below:

"Herald Sun just said Nth wanna trade Pick 2 and F1"

Complete and utter fabrication based on the article, Vineys interview and anything else published.

NONE of these journo's have said this, I don't have to disagree with something that hasn't been said, written or even exisits....

 

[blaisee]

Then stop continually fabricating things that have not been written in every second post and then jumping down others throats and you wont get these reactions.

Like the below:

"Herald Sun just said Nth wanna trade Pick 2 and F1"

Complete and utter fabrication based on the article, Vineys interview and anything else published.

reading is not my strongest suit, but the above is a " complete and utter fabrication"

"Complete and utter fabrication"

Is English your second language ?

 

[Sphynx]

reading is not my strongest suit, but the above is a " complete and utter fabrication"

"Complete and utter fabrication"

Is English your second language ?

Before you go on another misinformation campaign this morning.

Here is what Twomey has said this morning:

Where do they go:

FOS - The Tigers have been weighing him up as one of the key contenders for the No.1 pick. If they don't go with him then all of North Melbourne, Carlton, Adelaide and Melbourne will strongly consider, with O'Sullivan looking a top-five pick lock.

Lalor - Richmond has been strongly considering him at No.1. There's a world where if they don’t choose him there, he might still get through to pick No.6 but it's very unlikely. North Melbourne, Adelaide, Carlton and Melbourne also have strong interest in the top-five and are all doing extra work on him in recent times.

Langford - Carlton is looking at Langford as part of its group of elite midfielders, but his draft range looks only to span a couple more positions. Adelaide is weighing him up and Melbourne, where he trained over summer, will strongly consider if available at pick No.5. It is hard to see him getting to the Saints.

Smith - Looks the outside chance for the Tigers' top choice, with Carlton (pick No.3), Adelaide (pick No.4) or Melbourne (No.5) likely to swoop on the gun midfield talent if available. The Saints would jump on if he got through to their selections.
Draper - He is in the mix for Carlton's pick No.3 as the Blues weigh-up the gun midfielders. Adelaide has strongly been linked to the local product with pick No.4, while Melbourne (No.5) would also look closely. Should he get through to the Saints' pick No.7, they would snap him up swiftly.

Tauru - North Melbourne has been linked to Tauru and he's in the Roos' mix for pick No.2. They could shuffle down a few spots as well but would have to be wary how far back they go if they want him, given Melbourne, St Kilda and Richmond are also set to consider Tauru with top-10 choices. The real riser of this year's group.

Smillie - It is one of the intriguing questions in this year's top-10. Richmond has been strongest linked with its second choice, but St Kilda has back-to-back picks and Smillie will be in the ballpark there.

Armstrong - Richmond, Melbourne and St Kilda have all done their work on Armstrong with early selections. If he got through to Port Adelaide at pick No.13, he would be right in the frame too.

Reid - St Kilda and Melbourne will look at him later in the top-10, while Richmond (No.10 and 11), West Coast (No.12), Port Adelaide (No.13) and Fremantle (No.14) have also shown interest in Reid. There's a chance he is available deeper in the teens as far as the Western Bulldogs' pick No.17.

Allan - With more interest coming from Richmond, Port Adelaide, West Coast and Melbourne, Allan looks right in demand midway through the first round. St Kilda could also consider with its two top-10 picks. The Eagles didn't move back down the draft order with him specifically in mind.

Travaglia - Travaglia is in the sights of just about every club between pick 8 and 15. He is in considerations for St Kilda and Melbourne, has been closely tracked by Richmond, and has West Coast, Fremantle and the Giants also keen. One of those look set to land the rock solid prospect.

Berry - Berry is invited to the first night of the draft, so has plenty of clubs keen in the first 20 selections. Greater Western Sydney has done its work and has three picks inside the first 21, while West Coast (No.12), Fremantle (pick 14) and Richmond (No.10 and 11) have also done their work on him.

Hotton - One of the mysteries of the draft given his injury layoff. Hotton was on track to be a potential top-10 pick before the ACL but won't be in that bracket now. West Coast will consider as will Richmond with its later first-round picks, while the Western Bulldogs (No.17) have also done their work. The Giants, with three first-round picks, could well be an option for Hotton, too.

Lindsay - Clubs such as St Kilda, Fremantle, West Coast and the Western Bulldogs are all expected to look at Lindsay with first-round selections.

J.Whitlock - Right in the mix for Port Adelaide at No.13, while Richmond has also considered with its back-to-back picks (No.10, 11). Sydney will also wait to see if any of the key position forwards get through to their first-round selections.

Trainor - Trainor looks set to come into considerations in the latter stages of the first round. Sydney, with picks 19 and 22, could look at him, while the Tigers, with multiple selections, could also be in the mix for the backman as may be the Bulldogs.

Shanahan - Richmond, Port Adelaide, Greater Western Sydney, West Coast and Sydney are all viewed as the most favoured clubs to snaffle Shanahan in the first round – of course, other clubs trying to use future first-round picks to buy back into the early stages of this year's draft could also eye him should he get through a few more picks.

M.Whitlock - Looks likely to fit into the 15-30 market of the draft. The Giants could look at him, as with the Swans, while the Tigers are another club who could go that way if they want to add a versatile tall to their draft bounty.

Faull - In the mix as Port Adelaide looks at talls with its first pick, while Greater Western Sydney would also look at him. Should he get to the Swans' picks, Faull would be right in their wheelhouse.

 

[Rich01]

I think you mean stupid enough.

Hmm perhaps.

If I were the Roos I’d keep 2 and pick the best player there which will be a mid.

But it seems like Rawlings values the top 25 in this draft and has been clear on being open to trade down from 2 and buy in with an F1 to have multiple picks.

I just can’t see the value they are going to get in this years draft pick number wise with those picks vs previous years. Perhaps it doesn’t really matter though with the evenness of it all.

The reality would be would he think an Armstrong and Trainor combo would be worth pick 2? Or a Jack Whitlock or Trainor for their future first?

All depends on how he sees the quality of the players in the top 20 and where they are likely to fall and the trade off to get them. As well as the balance of the list he’s built.

Definitely options for the Roos. But you are right, the question will be will they decide to take it.

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Looks like Nth if they keep 2, will draft a mid, if they do that, they will definitely trade F1, and take the best offer on the table for it, and draft a tall.

This looks like the endgame. Draper/FOS at 2 and get into the teens for somebody like one of the Whitlocks. Looks like the avenues to trade down for Tauru have dried up and while they may have a late change of heart later and reach with 2 I'd imagine the above is the goal.

 

[Sphynx]

Hmm perhaps.

If I were the Roos I’d keep 2 and pick the best player there which will be a mid.

But it seems like Rawlings values the top 25 in this draft and has been clear on being open to trade down from 2 and buy in with an F1 to have multiple picks.

I just can’t see the value they are going to get in this years draft pick number wise with those picks vs previous years. Perhaps it doesn’t really matter though with the evenness of it all.

The reality would be would he think an Armstrong and Trainor combo would be worth pick 2? Or a Jack Whitlock or Trainor for their future first?

All depends on how he sees the quality of the players in the top 20 and where they are likely to fall and the trade off to get them. As well as the balance of the list he’s built.

Definitely options for the Roos. But you are right, the question will be will they decide to take it.

I would be amazed if we traded our future first for what could be pick 20, but we will see.

I would have thought we'd be demanding 2 picks for it towards that range, i.e 2 of GWS' as an example.

Which then aligns with the 3 picks they want to take in the draft.

 

[Rich01]

I would be amazed if we traded our future first for what could be pick 20, but we will see.

I would have thought we'd be demanding 2 picks for it towards that range, i.e 2 of GWS' as an example.

Which then aligns with the 3 picks they want to take in the draft.

I’d imagine that may be the case.

But if the giants didn’t want to trade two picks out - say 16 and 21, what would be the alternative? 18 and 20 from Richmond? I’m thinking they are more likely to take 7-8 picks than 6. 19 and 22 from the Swans? I’d think they probably want to keep one pick this year but who knows. Theres three options but the appetite of those clubs to pony up two picks is quite unknown.

Then it comes back to the one pick. 15 from GWS perhaps?

They’d work the options down until they were no longer appealing.

 

[Sphynx]

I’d imagine that may be the case.

But if the giants didn’t want to trade two picks out - say 16 and 21, what would be the alternative? 18 and 20 from Richmond? I’m thinking they are more likely to take 7-8 picks than 6. 19 and 22 from the Swans? I’d think they probably want to keep one pick this year but who knows. Theres three options but the appetite of those clubs to pony up two picks is quite unknown.

Then it comes back to the one pick. 15 from GWS perhaps?

They’d work the options down until they were no longer appealing.

We have a F2 + 2 x F3's also.

It doesn't have to get wrapped up in a single deal.

15 + F1 (GWS) for F1 (NTH) could also work and w/ other work arounds. If our F1 is diluted (apparently), then same applies to GWS on a far greater scale given their prospects next year.

We could then look another top 30 pick down the line.

 

[Rich01]

We have a F2 + 2 x F3's also.

It doesn't have to get wrapped up in a single deal.

15 + F1 (GWS) for F1 (NTH) could also work and w/ other work arounds. If our F1 is diluted (apparently), then same applies to GWS on a far greater scale given their prospects next year.

We could then look another top 30 pick down the line.

It sure could but I doubt GWS do something that’s not in their specific best interest.

To get a F1 that’s likely to be top 10 for a late teens pick is understandable as they bank what they may believe to be a better talent next year for the cost of a known player this year. And they have extra picks in this draft.

To even it out with an additional pick from them next year doesn’t really make sense for them. They will work in their best interests. If they actively want to ship the pick their mentality will be different to just being open to the idea of optimising their position.

It makes total sense for North though.

Will just come down to what the clubs are trying to achieve.

 

[aussierulesrules]

What could make it harder for North to trade their F1 into the teens of this draft is that Essendon will presumably also be going hard for similar picks, and they have two F1’s plus a boatload of other picks they can offer for them, and there will only be so many clubs prepared to trade out of this draft.

 

[Sphynx]

What could make it harder for North to trade their F1 into the teens of this draft is that Essendon will presumably also be going hard for similar picks, and they have two F1’s plus a boatload of other picks they can offer for them, and there will only be so many clubs prepared to trade out of this draft.

Why would Essendon offer a boatload of picks for a pick in the late teens?

They aren't trading Melbourne AND Essendon's F1 for Pick 18-20

 

[Sphynx]

It sure could but I doubt GWS do something that’s not in their specific best interest.

To get a F1 that’s likely to be top 10 for a late teens pick is understandable as they bank what they may believe to be a better talent next year for the cost of a known player this year. And they have extra picks in this draft.

To even it out with an additional pick from them next year doesn’t really make sense for them. They will work in their best interests. If they actively want to ship the pick their mentality will be different to just being open to the idea of optimising their position.

It makes total sense for North though.

Will just come down to what the clubs are trying to achieve.

Im sorry, why does it have to be a railroad job?

It generally works the other way, the most valuable asset in the deal gets the rub of the green.

If GWS gets a better offer on the night than our F1 included in it, good luck to them, I'll be shocked to see it.

Realistically that deal is Pick ~19 and Approx 13-18 for a approx Top 5 pick.

It's actually unders in all honestly. They should snap our hand off.

 

[Rich01]

Im sorry, why does it have to be a railroad job?

It generally works the other way, the most valuable asset in the deal gets the rub of the green.

If GWS gets a better offer on the night than our F1 included in it, good luck to them, I'll be shocked to see it.

Realistically that deal is Pick ~19 and Approx 13-18 for a approx Top 5 pick.

It's actually unders in all honestly. They should snap our hand off.

It really depends on what they want though. If at that pick they rate Berry, Lindsay, Shanahan, Hotton, Trainor, Allan or the Whitlocks higher and prefer to pick them right now to develop, why would they do another club a favour if that was their preference over a pick that could be anywhere between picks 3-12 on draft night a year from now?

You think they should do it. I dont necessarily disagree.

But if its not in GWS best interest to do the trade and they are improving their position, there’s absolutely no reason for them to do it.

For all we know they rate the draft highly and want to take their first two picks.

And there’s no reason to think it’s a railroad job. Both parties have to agree to what’s in their best interests. If it doesn’t suit either club, the trade doesn’t happen. This is just as applicable to your club as it is GWS.

 

[Sphynx]

It really depends on what they want though. If at that pick they rate Berry, Lindsay, Shanahan, Hotton, Trainor, Allan or the Whitlocks higher and prefer to pick them right now to develop, why would they do another club a favour if that was their preference over a pick that could be anywhere between picks 3-12 on draft night a year from now?

You think they should do it. I dont necessarily disagree.

But if its not in GWS best interest to do the trade and they are improving their position, there’s absolutely no reason for them to do it.

For all we know they rate the draft highly and want to take their first two picks.

And there’s no reason to think it’s a railroad job. Both parties have to agree to what’s in their best interests. If it doesn’t suit either club, the trade doesn’t happen. This is just as applicable to your club as it is GWS.

Of course trading a F1 from a side who has finished bottom 3 for about 5 straight years for Pick 20 is a railroad job....

Like I said, the reason for them do it is, they still have another 2 x R1 picks this year and they will effectively trade what will be 2 x late teens picks (at best, given the bidding next year) for what might be Pick 1-5 which skips most of next years bids.

That's a fair incentive and a reason why I doubt we even consider it for a single pick.

If we do, we are idiots.

 

[Rich01]

Of course trading a F1 from a side who has finished bottom 3 for about 5 straight years for Pick 20 is a railroad job....

Like I said, the reason for them do it is, they still have another 2 x R1 picks this year and they will effectively trade what will be 2 x late teens picks (at best, given the bidding next year) for what might be Pick 1-5 which skips most of next years bids.

That's a fair incentive and a reason why I doubt we even consider it for a single pick.

If we do, we are idiots.

You don’t need to convince me to do the trade.

Personally I agree and think you don’t get the value you would in previous years from a pure pick number perspective. I’d hold it for next year. If I were GWS I’d do it too.

But it seems your list manager is keen to get back in to the first round with another pick or two and I reckon it will get done. Thats the fly in the ointment to the logic of it all. If Brady does a trade like this it’s because he believes it offers value for what he wants to achieve, not that he’s accepted an offer he has to take and has been railroaded.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Why would Essendon offer a boatload of picks for a pick in the late teens?

They aren't trading Melbourne AND Essendon's F1 for Pick 18-20

I said that they have two F1’s and a boatload of other picks that they can offer for picks (plural) in the teens.

Nowhere did I say they they would need to offer all of them for one pick in the late teens.

Clearly they won’t need to do that.

What having all those picks does though is give them a plethora of options.

They could even start by offering say both F1’s for a pick as early as 7 or 8, or one F1 and 28 and 31 for 15, or both F1’s and 28 and 31 for 15 and 21 and 30-odd, etc.

They could come at picks from so many different ways. From 7 or 8 onwards.

They got overs for 9 and get Kako on the cheap, so they’ll probably feel like they can pay overs to get back in and they won’t be behind overall.

They’ll feel like they can splurge, and any clubs that are willing to trade a top 20 pick into next year will likely be their target.

 

[perplexed]

This looks like the endgame. Draper/FOS at 2 and get into the teens for somebody like one of the Whitlocks. Looks like the avenues to trade down for Tauru have dried up and while they may have a late change of heart later and reach with 2 I'd imagine the above is the goal.

So use our best asset on a shiny new toy that we don't need, then trade out of next year's draft when we have a mountain of potatoes coming out of contract and in need of replacement?

Certainly sounds like something we would do.

 

[sr36]

What could make it harder for North to trade their F1 into the teens of this draft is that Essendon will presumably also be going hard for similar picks, and they have two F1’s plus a boatload of other picks they can offer for them, and there will only be so many clubs prepared to trade out of this draft.

The pressure could go the other way though. If Essendon can do something like 28,31 and F2 for F1 - and then offer it and a F1 to the Tigers. There's one of the Tigers possible F1s off the table and they might jump at an earlier than expected offer from the Dons for 11, as their chances of getting one for pick 24 have fallen, which would take two of the possible F1s away.

 

[T4P]

"Remember, this is a ranking and not a mock draft. It does not take into account where the players will be drafted or where bids on father-son or Academy players will fall. That will come next week."

Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' November ranking

AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey delivers his fifth and final Phantom Form Guide ahead of the 2024 Telstra AFL Draft

www.afl.com.au

thank you. Still picking up more uncertainty than usual in his commentary though

 

[aussierulesrules]

The pressure could go the other way though. If Essendon can do something like 28,31 and F2 for F1 - and then offer it and a F1 to the Tigers. There's one of the Tigers possible F1s off the table and they might jump at an earlier than expected offer from the Dons for 11, as their chances of getting one for pick 24 have fallen, which would take two of the possible F1s away.

I reckon Essendon are the sleepers here. No-ones really talking about them, but they could shake up the first round in a big way if they start going hard for picks. Either before or after the bid comes in for Kako.

I’m not hearing any talk at all about what type of player they’d be targeting if they look to trade back in.

 

[Finn9]

 

[sr36]

I reckon Essendon are the sleepers here. No-ones really talking about them, but they could shake up the first round in a big way if they start going hard for picks. Either before or after the bid comes in for Kako.

I’m not hearing any talk at all about what type of player they’d be targeting if they look to trade back in.

Yeah. What they do will be interesting.

I think their initial plan would have been to get back in quite early, may or not have become too hard.

They're in a position where they don't have to wait for a Kako bid. I think they'll do something with 28 and 31 before a Kako bid - don't know what though.

 

[aussierulesrules]

Yeah. What they do will be interesting.

I think their initial plan would have been to get back in quite early, may or not have become too hard.

They're in a position where they don't have to wait for a Kako bid. I think they'll do something with 28 and 31 before a Kako bid - don't know what though.

I wonder how much they’d be willing to offer us for 8.

If they got it it would obviously prevent us from bidding on him there, and it would also get them in ahead of Melbourne, if they happen to be keen on Armstrong for instance, and think they’ll take him, if available.

 

[King Patty]

yeh before kako bid Essendon can either trade 28 + 31 out for future second rounders and points this years draft.
of package up with a future first to move up the board before a kako bid.

How high does Dees F1 + 28 get you Saints pick 8?
Im thinking more likely around pick 13, which is similar to where Kako bid might fall.

Another option is a trade to gold coast for future picks so they can get back into the draft with 28 + 31 post bid on their academy kid.

 

[Guy Threepwood]

How high does Dees F1 + 28 get you Saints pick 8?
Im thinking more likely around pick 13, which is similar to where Kako bid might fall.

This would be a fantastic bit of business for Essendon considering pick 9 cost those two picks and several others during trade week. They are definitely a club to watch come draft night.