Rumour Draft Rumours 2024 - No rumours allowed

[LB2Snake]

What if they have 8 equally rated players available at pick 8?

Aussierules has laid out the names. If you can split them and tell me which is the elite talent and which ones aren’t then good luck to you.

To me this draft has Ashcroft and a top 7 (6 mids and Tauru).

After that there’s a dozen or so you can throw a blanket over. All have upside to be really good players but none are a must have.

Take the mids: Hotton, acl, small sample size as a ball winner. Reid - size, speed. Travaglia - speed, kicking. Allan - decision making. Lindsay - contested ball. Berry - size, ball winning.

And the same goes for the talls.

This’ll go well.

 

[master bate]

But what is the trade? Adelaide shouldn't offer 4, F1 for 2, F2 and North would want more than Adelaide's 3 F3s.

Cal suggested today Adelaide combo those 3 F3’s to an F2 (perhaps Gold Coast would do that given they often operate on points not picks).

2 for 4 and a F2.

It’s not all that inspiring but given it’s a free hit for North taking the same player anyway they’ll probably accept. If they’re committed to Tauru it’s something for nothing.

North then have the option of F1 and F2 for a trade back in. At some stage a team around 15 has to jump on that.

Or can offer a pair of F2s and F3 for a later pick around 30.

 

[Crow till I die]

But what is the trade? Adelaide shouldn't offer 4, F1 for 2, F2 and North would want more than Adelaide's 3 F3s.

Very little time on draft night to engineer something unless something is set up already and waiting to see who Richmond take at 1. IF they overlook Lalor and Draper, then the crows might have a deal in place with not just North to trade up to 2, but maybe with a side like the dogs or GWS (assumed finals sides where they would be thinking they can improve their F1 quite a bit with ours)where a swap of F1's and the crows get a 2nd rounder in this draft to then give to North with 4 for 2

But its complicated to do something like that so who knows?

 

[LB2Snake]

Cal suggested today Adelaide combo those 3 F3’s to an F2 (perhaps Gold Coast would do that given they often operate on points not picks).

2 for 4 and a F2.

It’s not all that inspiring but given it’s a free hit for North taking the same player anyway they’ll probably accept. If they’re committed to Tauru it’s something for nothing.

North then have the option of F1 and F2 for a trade back in. At some stage a team around 15 has to jump on that.

Or can offer a pair of F2s and F3 for a later pick around 30.

Geez I hope we don’t do that. F1 and F2 for pick 15? Ah well, soon to be revealed I guess. Seems crazy to me.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I can't fathom how StKilda would contemplate moving back from the 7,8 combo. Surely getting elite talent is their No.1, 2,3 and infinity gameplans.

Trade up, sure. That 7&F1 for 2 deal should absolutely be contemplated. But trading back should be nowhere near discussion level imo.

Option 1: Trade up. Great result.
Option 2: 7&8. Great result.
Option 3: No option 3.

I can see that view and I had it. Not a fan of one at all. 7 and 5-10 for 2 is nutso to me. Option 2 makes sense. Option 3 will depend on their own board as to 8 v 15. If they think they can grab someone at 15 very close to their next best, then 16 is an extra. I’m starting to lean that way - Travaglia/Allan/Reid vs (who knows). Who knows who slips and then Trainor would be a good fit.

 

[Makeshift Park]

For shits and giggles, how about

North out: 2, F2
North in: 4, 18

Adelaide out: 4, F1
Adelaide in: 2, North F2

Richmond out: 18
Richmond in: Adelaide F1

 

[perplexed]

Cal suggested today Adelaide combo those 3 F3’s to an F2 (perhaps Gold Coast would do that given they often operate on points not picks).

2 for 4 and a F2.

It’s not all that inspiring but given it’s a free hit for North taking the same player anyway they’ll probably accept. If they’re committed to Tauru it’s something for nothing.

North then have the option of F1 and F2 for a trade back in. At some stage a team around 15 has to jump on that.

Or can offer a pair of F2s and F3 for a later pick around 30.

Hardly seems worth it, though you could justify it if we are as into Tauru as many seem to think.

 

[TerryWallet]

What if they have 8 equally rated players available at pick 8?

Aussierules has laid out the names. If you can split them and tell me which is the elite talent and which ones aren’t then good luck to you.

To me this draft has Ashcroft and a top 7 (6 mids and Tauru).

After that there’s a dozen or so you can throw a blanket over. All have upside to be really good players but none are a must have.

Take the mids: Hotton, acl, small sample size as a ball winner. Reid - size, speed. Travaglia - speed, kicking. Allan - decision making. Lindsay - contested ball. Berry - size, ball winning.

And the same goes for the talls.

That may be the case for us armchair experts who only get to watch vision. But recruiting teams get so much more info on them as footballers, teammates, leaders, as people in general etc etc. Add in knowledge of what they are looking for as a team, and as a club. After all that, your Pick 8 will be lengths clear of your 16th pick.

I'm not advocating this as a hard n fast rule for every club. We are talking about StKilda, who need to strike for elite talent through the draft. They already have another pick a bit later on and then a talented Academy kid.

I'd be amazed if they trade back a Top 8 pick.

 

[sr36]

Cal suggested today Adelaide combo those 3 F3’s to an F2 (perhaps Gold Coast would do that given they often operate on points not picks).

2 for 4 and a F2.

It’s not all that inspiring but given it’s a free hit for North taking the same player anyway they’ll probably accept. If they’re committed to Tauru it’s something for nothing.

North then have the option of F1 and F2 for a trade back in. At some stage a team around 15 has to jump on that.

Or can offer a pair of F2s and F3 for a later pick around 30.

Won't be easy. GWS are the only team with 2 F2s. Meaning no team who is already without a F1 or would like the option to trade it into the draft will be able to trade their F2. And second rather than 3rd rounders become the prime matching picks for early guys next year with the incoming DVI

 

[sr36]

Hardly seems worth it, though you could justify it if we are as into Tauru as many seem to think.

If you want him at 2 and are sure Carlton or Adelaide won't take him - it's probably the best you can do.

 

[diddley1984]

For shits and giggles, how about

North out: 2, F2
North in: 4, 18

Adelaide out: 4, F1
Adelaide in: 2, North F2

Richmond out: 18
Richmond in: Adelaide F1

This makes sense to me.

 

[Anonfr]

Im not 100% convinced the Dee's will overlook Tauru at their Pick 5.

North are 99% certainties of landing Tauru either with their Pick 2 or trading with the Crows for Pick 4.

If Tauru is still on the board at the Demons first pick you can absolutely bank on the fact that he will be a Demon.

 

[richoatthedisco]

For shits and giggles, how about

North out: 2, F2
North in: 4, 18

Adelaide out: 4, F1
Adelaide in: 2, North F2

Richmond out: 18
Richmond in: Adelaide F1

"Hey Richmond, you know how you wanted pick 2? We're giving it to Adelaide. Can you give us pick 18?"

 

[Red Bull]

We are talking about StKilda
I'd be amazed if they trade back a Top 8 pick.

You shouldn’t be …

 

[perplexed]

If you want him at 2 and are sure Carlton or Adelaide won't take him - it's probably the best you can do.

If we want him though. I suspect we like him, but were looking at him as an option if we trade down and get one of Richmond's 10 or 11 - which seems more like his range.

 

[sr36]

If we want him though. I suspect we like him, but were looking at him as an option if we trade down and get one of Richmond's 10 or 11 - which seems more like his range.

Doesn't to me. If Lalor can go one Tauru can go two. They're the wow moments guys who could be anything if they put it together and do the bread and butter consistently, but don't have the runs on the board yet.

 

[Makeshift Park]

"Hey Richmond, you know how you wanted pick 2? We're giving it to Adelaide. Can you give us pick 18?"

But you didn't want pick 2, because pick 6 is basically the same in this draft.

At the end of the day, holding Adelaide's F1 is advantageous over holding 18, and that's what matters.

 

[1990crow]

But you didn't want pick 2, because pick 6 is basically the same in this draft.

At the end of the day, holding Adelaide's F1 is advantageous over holding 18, and that's what matters.

Giving up a F1 to go up 2 spots in the draft and getting a F2 back doesn't seem like a good deal when North would just pick the player they want at 2, at 4 (and vice versa).

 

[Makeshift Park]

Giving up a F1 to go up 2 spots in the draft and getting a F2 back doesn't seem like a good deal when North would just pick the player they want at 2, at 4 (and vice versa).

Yeah, the whole deal is predicated on you guys really wanting either FoS or Lalor (and so presumably doing the deal once Richmond have taken pick 1), and also a confidence that you'll be playing finals this year.

 

[1990crow]

Yeah, the whole deal is predicated on you guys really wanting either FoS or Lalor (and so presumably doing the deal once Richmond have taken pick 1), and also a confidence that you'll be playing finals this year.

Even in that scenario it's way too much.
A f2 on its on would be a bonus for North if they intend to pick the player at 4 they intended to at 2.

 

[Ura]

Yeah, the whole deal is predicated on you guys really wanting either FoS or Lalor (and so presumably doing the deal once Richmond have taken pick 1), and also a confidence that you'll be playing finals this year.

Who is actually worth a North F1 inreality is the question. Which player would we target. We would prob offer F1 if Tauru on board later. I dont think we do it for a stand alone Trainor, Maybe an Armstrong.
Honestly I look at a Ludowyke, Duursma, Duff-Tytler and Sharp and would prefer to risk their development over an individual teens pick this year.

 

[GWS Goose]

Yep. That's my point. There's going to continue to be powerful blokes with exciting attributes coming through who get compared to Dusty or Petracca. But unless they've used these attributes to be dominant mids at state level, they're just not as strong prospects as those blokes were. Nothing against Lalor, but he just isn't as good a player as an 18 year old Dusty or Petracca - very few are.

P.S. wasn't May recruited from Hogan pick? Did Hogan originally get picked up through Scully compensation?

Big powerful guys play like Dusty
Athletic forwards the next buddy.
A good dual side player both that isn't athletic is a Sam Mitchell clone.
Despite being likend to all time greats the draft range in the teens.
Every year.

 

[T4P]

Doesn't to me. If Lalor can go one Tauru can go two. They're the wow moments guys who could be anything if they put it together and do the bread and butter consistently, but don't have the runs on the board yet.

Tauru wasn't selected in the initial Vic Country squad, Lalor has much more runs on the board.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Even in that scenario it's way too much.
A f2 on its on would be a bonus for North if they intend to pick the player at 4 they intended to at 2.

I still reckon if we keep pick 2 we're taking one of FOS or Draper.

Then trading in F1 to get a tall, maybe.

But given the option, it would be advantageous for us to keep our F1 if we could strike a deal three way using 2 and F2.

Maybe difference between FOS/Draper (2) or Tauru (4) plus Shanahan / Faull / Whitlock / Gerreyn or even Berry / Hannaford.

 

[Andy_Mac]

For shits and giggles, how about

North out: 2, F2
North in: 4, 18

Adelaide out: 4, F1
Adelaide in: 2, North F2

Richmond out: 18
Richmond in: Adelaide F1

Why on gods earth would Adelaide do that?

North supporters are delusional about P2. There the ones that want to do a deal, they fail to recognise that the top 6 is pretty much same same.