And where exactly did this theory come from??? There's no source or evidence out there that actually states this is true.
Thus, it seems this whole theory has come from DWD's mouth. Heaps reliable source don't you think?
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And where exactly did this theory come from??? There's no source or evidence out there that actually states this is true.
Thus, it seems this whole theory has come from DWD's mouth. Heaps reliable source don't you think?
It's good to see you've got a clue.
I can assure you what you've been assuming is fiction. Not that you'd believe me anyway, but the fact of the matter is all your doing is pinning the group down, basing your attack on identical teams etc.
I'd certainly rather be part of a site where hard research pays off, and the members around me are assistant rather than highly oppressed to a system where getting feedback is claimed as wrong.
If not that, what's the real point of any communication within a forum at all?
Nah. Not worked up. Just want the rest of the DT community to know what sort of "leagues" you guys run. As you said, it will be interesting to see the results this season, particularly since all eyes will be on you guys this year and that any funny business will be there for everyone to see.
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It's really sad the way this argument has progressed. It seems very "high school".
FFC no longer has the member that all this talk is about, so whatever these so called "ex" members know about the site is something that happened along time ago.
Both EDT and FFC from what I understand research to the highest degree, both I'm sure rely on inside information and training reports to find the best possible starting teams.
I would suggest this year of all years will have most teams starting with a similar mindset with f/m and b/m links.
What happens at FFC is no doubt different to that of EDT because all the members are willing to give up all the information/research they have... there is no player vs player rivalry. When one member wins a prize the whole group is stoked for them.
If this tight group which has grown over the past year is such a bad place, why do people continue to enjoy coming and posting all their information even over the off season.
I suggest both groups just worry about getting on with the job and let the results do the talking.
We are all controlling our own sides, we all press the trade button ourselves, there is no pressure on anyone to start any player over any other. If you don't believe that, that's fine, but what you are believing is then a lie.
FFC no longer has the member that all this talk is about, so whatever these so called "ex" members know about the site is something that happened along time ago.
Both EDT and FFC from what I understand research to the highest degree, both I'm sure rely on inside information and training reports to find the best possible starting teams.
I would suggest this year of all years will have most teams starting with a similar mindset with f/m and b/m links.
What happens at FFC is no doubt different to that of EDT because all the members are willing to give up all the information/research they have... there is no player vs player rivalry. When one member wins a prize the whole group is stoked for them.
If this tight group which has grown over the past year is such a bad place, why do people continue to enjoy coming and posting all their information even over the off season.
I suggest both groups just worry about getting on with the job and let the results do the talking.
We are all controlling our own sides, we all press the trade button ourselves, there is no pressure on anyone to start any player over any other. If you don't believe that, that's fine, but what you are believing is then a lie.
I'll deliver him a fruit basket from you if you would like. Red or Green grapes?
Thanks mate. I like to think i do have a clue.
If that's the type of community you like to be a part of, then good luck to ya. That's your choice and I wish you luck in your future endeavours. Personally, I like to be part of a community that shares information but each individual is free to make whatever decision they feel is best for their team. I like being part of a forum where I don't feel like I have to run my potential trades past someone else to make sure they are ok. I like to be part of a forum where freedom of thought is not only encouraged but highly respected. But hey, that's just me. I like that my team is my team. I'd hate to be part of a community where i basically share my team with everyone else and that my sole duty each week is essentially to physically press the trade button..........once The Master has approved them of course.
Just been having a quiet read of this thread and taking it all in.
Now it is clear that FL18, supported by Stasman, Skank and others, has made an accusation of sorts towards FFC.
In response, rather than refuting the accusation by explaining how it is not true, the FFC members have taken a defensive "you can't prove it" attitude.
This to me has only confirmed (what I already suspected) that FL18's accusation is at least partly, and probably very very accurate.
And for those FFC members who have big enough egos to suggest that other people's interest in their suspicious and meteoric rise to the top of the league rankings in 2010 as jealousy need to realise something..... The only people in this conversation who are jealous are those who have needed to create a system of conformity and group-think to have a successful league, rather than acting as 16 independent intelligent DTers who can think for themselves and make their own trades.
Now it is clear that FL18, supported by Stasman, Skank and others, has made an accusation of sorts towards FFC.
In response, rather than refuting the accusation by explaining how it is not true, the FFC members have taken a defensive "you can't prove it" attitude.
This to me has only confirmed (what I already suspected) that FL18's accusation is at least partly, and probably very very accurate.
And for those FFC members who have big enough egos to suggest that other people's interest in their suspicious and meteoric rise to the top of the league rankings in 2010 as jealousy need to realise something..... The only people in this conversation who are jealous are those who have needed to create a system of conformity and group-think to have a successful league, rather than acting as 16 independent intelligent DTers who can think for themselves and make their own trades.
Not sure why everyone thinks that FFC has some kind of 1984-style arrangement.
Yes, there were (and will be) similarities in teams, but in my opinion none more so than the stock-standard BigFooty-styled teams that get bandied around throughout the pre-season and season proper. When you get a group of like-minded people together, of course they're going to reach a degree of agreement.
Last season in Dream Team there were 31 individuals registered throughout the three leagues. In those leagues there were 22 different defenders, 18 different midfielders, 11 different rucks and 22 different forwards picked in starting teams, hardly an example of group-think. As for the innuendo surrounding trading, if there was a culture of intimidation then I doubt that a lot of current members would still be a part of the forum.
As for the three leagues finishing so close together, FFC doesn't allocate league positions according past rankings. It's an even spread in a forum in which the quality of posting will get you a gig, a concept which is beyond quite a few of you.
The fact that such negativity has been directed at FFC from a certain few individuals suggests that the problem isn't at our end. There's a reason they're no longer a part of FFC, and it's obvious why.
Yes, there were (and will be) similarities in teams, but in my opinion none more so than the stock-standard BigFooty-styled teams that get bandied around throughout the pre-season and season proper. When you get a group of like-minded people together, of course they're going to reach a degree of agreement.
Last season in Dream Team there were 31 individuals registered throughout the three leagues. In those leagues there were 22 different defenders, 18 different midfielders, 11 different rucks and 22 different forwards picked in starting teams, hardly an example of group-think. As for the innuendo surrounding trading, if there was a culture of intimidation then I doubt that a lot of current members would still be a part of the forum.
As for the three leagues finishing so close together, FFC doesn't allocate league positions according past rankings. It's an even spread in a forum in which the quality of posting will get you a gig, a concept which is beyond quite a few of you.
The fact that such negativity has been directed at FFC from a certain few individuals suggests that the problem isn't at our end. There's a reason they're no longer a part of FFC, and it's obvious why.
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Brethren Leaders will ****up Trades or Commands to Lemmings and FFC league is nowhere in 2011 (maybe top 50) and forum folds..
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You're very serious. Are you The Master?
Some good advice, but i'd like to keep arguing. It's fun.
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To be fair the "ring leader" isnt there anymore and will not help all the members there anymore. So it will be interesting to see how you go this year, youll be relying on Notorious and Dylan to get you over the line. Unsure if that has enough firepower up front to lead to victory but we shall see.
It was definitly the case last year in that the leader determined who others picked and influenced there mind, exactly the reason i left or got banned for.
As for the reason why other members join is because its elitiest and they want to be seen as powerful why do ******s join bikey gangs. Also they are pretty much using the likes of Pumbi, Favs, Notorious, Dylan ect to end up ranking well, so they can claim it.
This is how i will predict who are the best DTers in the future and im sure others will now aswell with this eye opener.
Whenever i see an FFC team ranked i will base it as the whole of FFC not the individuals efforts, so basically the person controlling the teams because it will still happen. I want hold FFC players as high regard as EDTers and i also wont hold both groups individuals as high as anyone that does not have EDT or FFC next to there name. Thats how i will judge and hopefully how others will judge with this enlightning discussion.
FFC ranked 150, EDT ranked 150, DWD ranked 150
Ill rate DWD 150, EDT 200, FFC about 400. Just a little example to show what i mean.
It was definitly the case last year in that the leader determined who others picked and influenced there mind, exactly the reason i left or got banned for.
As for the reason why other members join is because its elitiest and they want to be seen as powerful why do ******s join bikey gangs. Also they are pretty much using the likes of Pumbi, Favs, Notorious, Dylan ect to end up ranking well, so they can claim it.
This is how i will predict who are the best DTers in the future and im sure others will now aswell with this eye opener.
Whenever i see an FFC team ranked i will base it as the whole of FFC not the individuals efforts, so basically the person controlling the teams because it will still happen. I want hold FFC players as high regard as EDTers and i also wont hold both groups individuals as high as anyone that does not have EDT or FFC next to there name. Thats how i will judge and hopefully how others will judge with this enlightning discussion.
FFC ranked 150, EDT ranked 150, DWD ranked 150
Ill rate DWD 150, EDT 200, FFC about 400. Just a little example to show what i mean.
Haha, sure thing.
And if that's what you've been told doesn't exist at FFC, then what you're being told is wrong.
Good luck in 2011.
Juddy88
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I'd suggest just focusing on your own team and your own leagues rather than worrying about what others are doing.
Why does it bother you so much? Would it bother you if EDT finished above FFC?
Can you please confirm or deny that the following statement wasn't posted on your site:
"If you don't choose Ladson, you will be kicked out of FFC?"
Don't lie now.
This is fantastic!
I think there is plenty of evidence of 'group think' and that these leagues/sides were 'overseen' by the FFC 'masters'. Don't whinge with "you can't prove that". Not cool.
A lot of opinion of FFC is not that you won the leagues last year, it's the arrogant way you've gone about your win. For example, those signatures. Yes, I understand that coaches like Tom12 wants to promote the website, etc. But if you honestly think that EDT are 'jealous', did you see any of them have signatures like that... or create Facebook or Twitter accounts for their newly public forum? (Which obviously has the private Man Behind The Curtain element behind it).
Interesting. footylover18 is a very smart man ans has hit the nail on the head with all of his posts.
I think there is plenty of evidence of 'group think' and that these leagues/sides were 'overseen' by the FFC 'masters'. Don't whinge with "you can't prove that". Not cool.
A lot of opinion of FFC is not that you won the leagues last year, it's the arrogant way you've gone about your win. For example, those signatures. Yes, I understand that coaches like Tom12 wants to promote the website, etc. But if you honestly think that EDT are 'jealous', did you see any of them have signatures like that... or create Facebook or Twitter accounts for their newly public forum? (Which obviously has the private Man Behind The Curtain element behind it).
Interesting. footylover18 is a very smart man ans has hit the nail on the head with all of his posts.
Juddy88
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This is how i will predict who are the best DTers in the future and im sure others will now aswell with this eye opener.
Whenever i see an FFC team ranked i will base it as the whole of FFC not the individuals efforts, so basically the person controlling the teams because it will still happen. I want hold FFC players as high regard as EDTers and i also wont hold both groups individuals as high as anyone that does not have EDT or FFC next to there name. Thats how i will judge and hopefully how others will judge with this enlightning discussion.
FFC ranked 150, EDT ranked 150, DWD ranked 150
Ill rate DWD 150, EDT 200, FFC about 400. Just a little example to show what i mean.
Well people, that settles it. DWD has said how it is and that's final people.
I mean, we all play the game so others hold us in "high regard" right?
Lol.
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Great post. Do FFC know that people can read there discussions anyway?? or is it meant to be like that. Never used to be.
Just out of interest, how exactly would we prove to you that we don't do as the accusations have asked without been on the forum to view everything?
It's like me saying since Tarquin and OneEyedPie7 were ranked closely together you worked together to pick the same teams/trades. Now prove me wrong... It's a pretty silly statement imo.
statsman74
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So how do you explain the collective entrants of FFC having similarities in their teams so far over and above what would be expected in a true competitive environment?
Its basically groupthink - if you're sharing all your information then it is natural that teams evolve into something a lot more similar than what they would if they were actually truly competing.
If the individuals in FFC backed themselves rather than allowed themselves to pick players that everyone else is recommending/picking then you would still have that diversity.
At the end of the day, the proof is in the pudding. FFC won the league title last year and thats fine, but lets not hide the fact that was a result of a group of people working together to win the league, with individual results less of a priority, and the proof of that is looking at the starting sides and the changes made throughout the year and the similarities with them.
EDT has been doing hard research since you were watching the Care Bear movie. And it has paid off to the tune of tens of thousands of dollars worth of prizes for individuals and the group. You got a screenshot (and pretty signature block). I hope your mum keeps it on the fridge with your other achievements.
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Add Buddy Franklin and Pavlich to that, i actually got banned for this very reason. LOL what a joke the forum is.
Haha I almost selected Warren as well, maybe me and Tarqs worked together?Nah, Tarqs had no idea, he chose Ben Warren. There can be no group think in that.
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