Earth to Harvey

[TheLoris]

What makes you think its a good idea to play one of our best midfielders in the forward line and our best forward in the middle, even once it was clear he couldn't even bend down to pick up the ball...

Possibly the worst coaching display I have ever seen.....please someone explain this...

Worst coaching EVER....

 

[Freo_4eva]

What makes you think its a good idea to play one of our best midfielders in the forward line and our best forward in the middle, even once it was clear he couldn't even bend down to pick up the ball...

Possibly the worst coaching display I have ever seen.....please someone explain this...

Worst coaching EVER....

Im starting to agree with the calls that Harves is not the greatest match-day coach going around.. he has some "Wooshesque" games, where he goes in with Plan A, and thats all he's got.. and no just changing the specific players from Mid to forward and vice versa is going to do anything.. the game plan itself is the issue..

 

[Rob]

Pavlich was the only bloke in purple that was making a contest in the clinches. Everyone else was either squibbing it or totally uncompetitive.

I'd love to play Pav inside 50 as well, but we just can't atm.

Agree with your call on Palmer though. If we're insisting on playing Crowley, i'd rather see him in the forward line than Palmer.

 

[Nickos66]

What makes you think its a good idea to play one of our best midfielders in the forward line and our best forward in the middle, even once it was clear he couldn't even bend down to pick up the ball...

Possibly the worst coaching display I have ever seen.....please someone explain this...

Worst coaching EVER....

+1.

Harves is in his plastic bubble.

 

[Higs]

Pavlich to CHF permanently. We've been calling for it for 10 rounds and yesterdays match was proof more than anything that Pav's midfield days are over.

He will produce big numbers on occassion but is not clean with his possessions, hurts us defensively and he's kicking it to a dysfunctional forward line right now anyway.

We need a leading forward and we need quality, 2 way midfielders, it really isn't rocket science FFS.

Pav has played some awesome midfield games over the years but it is as clear as day that it isn't working anymore.

I really can't make sense of Harves' reasoning for it too. Keeps stating that he's playing that role due to injuries. Ignoring the bleeding obvious that Palmer is in fact a midfielder, does this mean that going forward from this year, whenever our mids are out injuried Pav will be the stopgap solution??

Is it really that ridiculous to suggest we play our guys in their best role and cover injuries with depth players suited to those positions without throwing the structures all out of wack?

The coaching yesterday was a joke, post match Harves criticised the players for not following instructions but the obvious consequence with throwing guys to the most obscure positions on the field is that nobody really knows their role and the gameplan becomes a shambles.

 

[estibador]

The more Harvey refuses to play Palmer in the midfield the more I'm thinking he's off to GWS next year.

Harves was rumoured to have asked any players who've signed to fess up and promised it wouldn't impact their selection this year. So my theory goes that Palmer told him he's off and that although Harves has kept his word to keep him in the team he doesn't want to play him in the middle because:

a) there's no point developing our midfield structures around someone who won't be here next year, and

b) there's no point putting another year's full development into Palmer as a midfielder if another club is going to reap the benefits next year

/tinfoil hat

 

[apuchar]

Pavlich to CHF permanently. We've been calling for it for 10 rounds and yesterdays match was proof more than anything that Pav's midfield days are over.

He will produce big numbers on occassion but is not clean with his possessions, hurts us defensively and he's kicking it to a dysfunctional forward line right now anyway.

We need a leading forward and we need quality, 2 way midfielders, it really isn't rocket science FFS.

Pav has played some awesome midfield games over the years but it is as clear as day that it isn't working anymore.

I really can't make sense of Harves' reasoning for it too. Keeps stating that he's playing that role due to injuries. Ignoring the bleeding obvious that Palmer is in fact a midfielder, does this mean that going forward from this year, whenever our mids are out injuried Pav will be the stopgap solution??

Is it really that ridiculous to suggest we play our guys in their best role and cover injuries with depth players suited to those positions without throwing the structures all out of wack?

The coaching yesterday was a joke, post match Harves criticised the players for not following instructions but the obvious consequence with throwing guys to the most obscure positions on the field is that nobody really knows their role and the gameplan becomes a shambles.

Well said Higs. If they are just holding the fort until the injured players get back, then why not play the best mature aged players we have until the others come back, instead of filling the team up with young players who are clearly not ready, strong enough or up to it yet. Are we in a holding pattern or a development pattern? I'm confused. We have too many top quality players out of the team to be filling all their places with young kids. Need to get the mix right.

 

[apuchar]

The more Harvey refuses to play Palmer in the midfield the more I'm thinking he's off to GWS next year.

Harves was rumoured to have asked any players who've signed to fess up and promised it wouldn't impact their selection this year. So my theory goes that Palmer told him he's off and that although Harves has kept his word to keep him in the team he doesn't want to play him in the middle because:

a) there's no point developing our midfield structures around someone who won't be here next year, and

b) there's no point putting another year's full development into Palmer as a midfielder if another club is going to reap the benefits next year

/tinfoil hat

That may be true, but he is not the only option to go in the midfield. I wouldn't mind wasting Pav in the midfield if he was any good there, but frankly, he is real ordinary or he is progressively getting worse. Teams have learnt to run off him. so if we are not going to play a defensive player to come in off the square to pick up his man, teams are going to continue to run us off our feet.

 

[peppy la pew]

The more Harvey refuses to play Palmer in the midfield the more I'm thinking he's off to GWS next year.

Harves was rumoured to have asked any players who've signed to fess up and promised it wouldn't impact their selection this year. So my theory goes that Palmer told him he's off and that although Harves has kept his word to keep him in the team he doesn't want to play him in the middle because:

a) there's no point developing our midfield structures around someone who won't be here next year, and

b) there's no point putting another year's full development into Palmer as a midfielder if another club is going to reap the benefits next year

/tinfoil hat

Yet again, the reasoned, sensible approach prevails.

 

[Clay Davis]

Except for a couple of things, peppy:

1. If we're developing our midfield structure and Palmer won't be around for that long-term, then why is Pav playing through there?

2. If we're playing to win, then why isn't Palmer through there, in spite of his expected departure?

 

[malpaso]

Except for a couple of things, peppy:

1. If we're developing our midfield structure and Palmer won't be around for that long-term, then why is Pav playing through there?

2. If we're playing to win, then why isn't Palmer through there, in spite of his expected departure?

1. Because Pav isn't going anywhere and the player's that would be in there normally are injured (Barlow, Morabito, Suban).

I suspect it is the reason for Palmer not going through the midfield (off to GWS) although hard to see the reasoning as Palmer's value in compensatory terms would rise with a solid season through the midfield?

 

[Latro]

Palmers value would be based off the contract offered I thought.

 

[electricfeel]

I really, really hope Palmer's not off to GWS He's been one of my favourites ever since he debuted.

 

[PapaJ]

The coaching yesterday was a joke, post match Harves criticised the players for not following instructions but the obvious consequence with throwing guys to the most obscure positions on the field is that nobody really knows their role and the gameplan becomes a shambles.

I'm also in the play Pav fwd more camp, but that is no excuse for the bold bit. There were lots of reasons we lost tat game, but one thing that was obvious to me very early is that the Saints were organised and playing well structured footy and we were a shambles, disorganised and not working hard enough if we did have any system in place.

Call it how you will, but Pav knows how to play midfield and Palmer has been groomed as that high up fwd player that most teams have these days and should know his role too - and so should the rest of the players on the field. Pav was very fumbly yesterday and it cost us, but that aside he was no worse than his usually very good self in the midfield and we've won many games with him playing that way.

 

[free at last]

I really, really hope Palmer's not off to GWS He's been one of my favourites ever since he debuted.

Well if palms is leaving,jeez I hope we use our compensation pick wisely and select a KPP(defensive preferred).

 

[subaman]

When Goddard went down surely, that would have been the ideal time for Pav to go forward. (if he hadn't started there which would have been preferred) Taking out a bit of height and Goddards third man up aerial skills would have given us the chance to stretch them a bit more down back.

Palmer as a forward is ridiculous, he seems to get turned around a lot and just is not there with his footskills. He does his best work in tight clinches not being exposed for pace and awareness in open play.

 

[Clay Davis]

1. Because Pav isn't going anywhere and the player's that would be in there normally are injured (Barlow, Morabito, Suban).

To be fair, prior to his injury, Suban barely played through the midfield, if at all. Also, what did we get Lower for? And wasn't Ibbotson earmarked for midfield at the beginning of the year.

I suspect it is the reason for Palmer not going through the midfield (off to GWS) although hard to see the reasoning as Palmer's value in compensatory terms would rise with a solid season through the midfield?

Totally.

 

[malpaso]

To be fair, prior to his injury, Suban barely played through the midfield, if at all. Also, what did we get Lower for? And wasn't Ibbotson earmarked for midfield at the beginning of the year.

Yes true. I keep thinking of last year when Suban and McPhee were going through the midfield. I think Suban would be rotating through there if we were healthy.

Ibbottson was earmarked for it but he was injured. Harvey et al must have gone well lets keep some continuity in there with Pavlich/Mundy/Sandilands..

 

[Clay Davis]

Yes true. I keep thinking of last year when Suban and McPhee were going through the midfield. I think Suban would be rotating through there if we were healthy.

Ibbottson was earmarked for it but he was injured. Harvey et al must have gone well lets keep some continuity in there with Pavlich/Mundy/Sandilands..

I don't think Ibbotson was ever realistically in line to play midfield. At no stage has the main set up ever looked like it would be anything but Pavlich/Mundy/Sandilands.

I also believe that if Palmer wasn't off to GWS, he still would not be playing midfield. It would still be Pavlich/Mundy/Sandilands.