We will forever look for answers as to why the plan has failed.
I think that to blame either MM or Bucks is fanciful as both parties made it clear that they couldn't work together.
MM didn't want to stay.
Bucks didn't want him there,
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I think that to blame either MM or Bucks is fanciful as both parties made it clear that they couldn't work together.
MM didn't want to stay.
Bucks didn't want him there,
I agree with this comment.
I also think he will orchestrate Buckley's departure at seasons end. He will put everything into getting this right as his pride and ego will be driving him to succeed.
Interesting times ahead.
The failure of the plan is more far reaching than just MM v Bux.
It's the reversal of the Dear Leaders statement back in the day, "no more jobs for the boys".
We were heavy in ex Collingwood players on the payroll back then.
Care to look at the payroll list today?
A complete reversal of that policy.
Unfortunately, most of those ex Pie players, and the other out of club appointments, have never tasted Premiership success.
Check the list.
Our failure of the last half decade is more than just Mm v Bux.
Make no mistake, Eddy is an absolute powerbroker in the AFL and Australia wide. Replacing him with somebody less connected may cost us something like Anzac Day, Queens bday...players come to the club not just because it's the biggest but because of the blockbuster games and the fact we train in the most central location of all the clubs. It's appealing to the players.
I think his one great failing was allowing the footy department to become a revolving door. It's partly why our list lacks balance.
I'm in favour of retaining him, I do believe he would leave if he couldn't lead us to our next premiership. Who is the alternative, will they guarantee success?
I think his one great failing was allowing the footy department to become a revolving door. It's partly why our list lacks balance.
I'm in favour of retaining him, I do believe he would leave if he couldn't lead us to our next premiership. Who is the alternative, will they guarantee success?
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No fault of his?
How about failure to realise that an egomaniac like MM would never go through with it?
Or how about making someone a coach when they couldn't stand on their own feet without parental guidance?
^Tend to agree. A current board member hasn't been prepared to stand. No outsider has challenged. There are some very competent men and women at the club who may feel they are ready in a year or two, Korda for instance, but Ed is the best fit for now. He's rebuilt the club from the ground up, and it stands very strong off field on all measures. On field has been mixed. Four grand finals for one flag. The last five years have been poor on field and at times off; the revolving door of Football Managers has been a shambles. The reviews should pave the way forward; identifying the issues in coaching, recruiting and development. Ed's still the best man to lead the implementation in my opinion.
Anzac Day and queens birthday were fixtures before Eddie, has there been any more that he's brought in during his time? I cannot recall. It's the drawing power of the club that sees us in blockbusters.
He's done some good which should be celebrated, but I don't buy into the myth making either. It's not Eddie that made Collingwood, quite the opposite actually.
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With all due respect, unless someone plucks up the courage, and has the business acumen to run against Ed, suck it up, as he ain't going away. Seem to remember a board spill back in the 80's that worked well.
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Get Roos, no review needed.
In fact dont bother with a review unless they want a specific outcome.
If Buckley is there again, watch the membership drop.
In fact dont bother with a review unless they want a specific outcome.
If Buckley is there again, watch the membership drop.
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The President is the Chairman of the Board. His job is to chair the Board meetings at which the Board collectively makes decisions. One decision is the appointment (or removal) of the CEO and another is to ultimately sign off on the selection of the Coach (as proposed through an appropriate search). The Board oversees the overall governance of the club and delegates operational management of the club to the CEO who then appoints the administration. The President's job is not to be the CEO. A Chair seeking to manage operations is widely thought as creating dysfunction in an organisation.
When I read arguments for Ed to "lead the club out of this", "turn the club around" , "allow footy department appointments" or appoint a certain person (usually an ex-player or yet another football manager), that denotes that our President is managing the operations of the club and is precisely the problem. It is not only old fashioned and out of step with the market, but inappropriate and poor governance. He is stepping into executive/operational management from a non-executive role - this interferes in the day to day running of the club. The best and most successful clubs do not allow this .
Aside from it having been a generally accepted corporate governance principle to maintain the distinction between Board oversight and executive management, the flow on impacts of non-executive interference in operations is that it impacts on talent recruitment and retention in the adminsitration. A decent CEO will not want to come and work under Ed as there is too much interference in the job. He is also in the media commenting all the time. The CEO role at a minimum is seriously undermined. Participation in recruitment or selection of players decision-making is totally inappropriate.
If you were a strong talent in football administration with your own mind about running operations, would you want to come to a club where you could be overruled by the President on key decisions you make or have to run interference to manage him to do your job?
I also find the argument that he has been unanimously elected ridiculous - no-one has actually voted in years and the people who fill the casual vacancies are all Eddie's picks. We need alternative candidates to nominate and I suspect that Eddie's reputation is impacting anyone coming forward.
The short answer is, he should not be leading alone. He should demonstrate leadership by making a decision for a handover plan to a new President in 12 months time, with that new President the subject of a search. He needs to fix the handover plan decision of years ago by leading his own handover plan.
We have some amazing and experienced people who are passionate Collingwood supporters out there who have alot more Board/Governance experience and yet we are acting as if there is no-one but a media commentator/game show host out there. Below are 2 biographies of some exceptional individuals who could bring so much to this club. These are but a few examples when there are so many more:
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Wow, how ever will we survive without getting zero gate from Melbourne on Queens Birthday? That is up there with dumbest reasoning I've ever seen.
Besides what good are 'marquee' games (if we were actually getting paid for them) when the rest of our home games have very low turnouts based on membership numbers and previous year attendances?
Eddie and co. have turned the biggest, richest club in the land into one of the most frugal, poorly run businesses in the space of half a decade. If he had an ounce of humility he'd fall on his sword.
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Once again.. her post makes no sense. Players want to play for Collingwood BC of it's central location and blockbuster games? Yeah ok.
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'Who is the alternative.. will they guarantee success?' What kind of question is that? Are you allright?
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Gimpy, that's one hell of a conspiracy theory.
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Geelong did.
Scodog10
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Getting back to serious discussion for a moment and Queenie I just wanted to make an observation.
IMO, it isn't Ed's fault that people such as Wylie or Brumby haven't put together a challenge.
I agree wholeheartedly that a challenge is required as a minimum and that the incumbent board needs to be held accountable for their governance record, but without people putting forward a challenge we are simply mimicking the behaviour of the current board by doing a whole lot of talking without any action against.
If a legitimate challenger stepped forward I am someone that would be motivated to become a voting member and I'm certain there's others out there like me. The problem is until that alternative presents itself Ed and the board have the power to continue acting with impunity. Ed has the characteristics of a megalomaniac so I'm not ever seeing the possibility of a handover to anyone that he hasn't handpicked so a replacement must come from a challenger!
IMO, it isn't Ed's fault that people such as Wylie or Brumby haven't put together a challenge.
I agree wholeheartedly that a challenge is required as a minimum and that the incumbent board needs to be held accountable for their governance record, but without people putting forward a challenge we are simply mimicking the behaviour of the current board by doing a whole lot of talking without any action against.
If a legitimate challenger stepped forward I am someone that would be motivated to become a voting member and I'm certain there's others out there like me. The problem is until that alternative presents itself Ed and the board have the power to continue acting with impunity. Ed has the characteristics of a megalomaniac so I'm not ever seeing the possibility of a handover to anyone that he hasn't handpicked so a replacement must come from a challenger!
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".............................so I'm not ever seeing the possibility of a handover to anyone that he hasn't handpicked so a replacement must come from a challenger!"
100% correct. Only way.
I just don't understand the thinking. Sorry.
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You are the man Sco. DO IT. Vote 1 Scodog for prez, Gimpy for CEO, ThatsG FD manager... I love that team. That ticket will take us places.
In all seriousness, it would be an improvement.
The what if ignores MM and also what happened after the deal was struck. It was never going to go smoothly as planned. Even so, that doesn't necessarily make Buckley a better coach or man manager. Putting all that aside, winning the flag has to change the landscape. Given we won the flag in 2010 and given how we were going in 2011 it was negligent not to change course and stick with what was bring about our most successful period since the 1920/30s.
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Gary Pert in 2014 says we will win a flag within 3 years.
Eddie McGuire in 2017 i will lead the club through this rebuild.
What the **** happened..?
If head's don't roll for literally the opposite happening in 3 years, then this club will continue to stick it's head in the sand and we'll be in for another extended period without success.
Eddie McGuire in 2017 i will lead the club through this rebuild.
What the **** happened..?
If head's don't roll for literally the opposite happening in 3 years, then this club will continue to stick it's head in the sand and we'll be in for another extended period without success.
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