News Eddie standing down at the end of next season

[Leeda]

Not alone?

shutters are up with my diabolical situation.. we are counteracting the left deal..

handy when you want to sell your soul. touch and delusion are wild with various standards..

 

[SBD Gonzalez]

Your perfect are ya ?
Flog.

You know, it's the weirdest thing. I've never called an aboriginal man an ape. I've never joked about drowning a woman because I disagree with her opinions.

Weird. Almost like I'm not normal. Almost like there's something not quite right in my head.

But I've just never done either of those things.

And, just for the record, I did work in media for a time.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

You know, it's the weirdest thing. I've never called an aboriginal man an ape. I've never joked about drowning a woman because I disagree with her opinions.

Weird. Almost like I'm not normal. Almost like there's something not quite right in my head.

But I've just never done either of those things.

And, just for the record, I did work in media for a time.

Me man, you woman.

 

[BronCrow]

Let’s not forget standing by while Newman wore black face and while Newman dressed up a mannequin in lingerie and put Caro’s face on it.

Regarding this specific matter that I have bolded, I think you will find it was a different club president that was hosting when that incident occurred.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

Regarding this specific matter that I have bolded, I think you will find it was a different club president that was hosting when that incident occurred.

Still Eddies fault.

 

[Roby]

The drowning Caro comments were funny then and they’re funny now.

Very simple trolley problem I would've thought. If both were drowning and you had to save one, obviously you'd save Caro over racist Eddie.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

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[adammania9]

Very simple trolley problem I would've thought. If both were drowning and you had to save one, obviously you'd save Caro over racist Eddie.

Not sure how you’d get into that scenario

 

[Roby]

Not sure how you’d get into that scenario

It's not supposed to be taken literal it's a trolley problem; a trolley problem is a thought experiment. This one is easy.

Eddie is gone and that's all that matters in regards to him. He was never going own up to any failings.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Name-calling? What are you talking about?

I'm pointing out that your argument has failed according to your own definition, so now you're backing away from it.

You can't make your own argument. That's not my problem.

Yeah, don't kid yourself. You've made no case here.

Have you read the report? Show me the parts that demonstrate systemic/inherent racism.

Do you understand what demonstrate means? It doesn't mean to simply assert.

It's already been discussed and the examples provided. You refuse to accept those examples. That's your prerogative but it doesn't make you correct.

For your benefit again;

One example is Lumumba calling out Eddie's behaviour/comments in relation to the Goodes situation, being told by Buckley he had undermined the club/President, being subsequently ostracised and demoted from the leadership group before being finally cut and having his character publicly called into question through an orchestrated campaign by Collingwood and their accomplices in the media.

The above is an example of systemic racism. You may disagree, but you'd be wrong.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

It's already been discussed and the examples provided. You refuse to accept those examples. That's your prerogative but it doesn't make you correct.

You assert but don't demonstrate anything. Come back to me when you understand what that means.

The above is an example of systemic racism. You may disagree, but you'd be wrong.

You appear to think that simply calling something "systemic racism" makes the case that it is in fact systemic racism. Like these are magic words that do the trick on their own. It's so obviously inadequate.

Demonstrate that it's systemic racism and not just an individual failure of governance.

Have you read the report? Show me the parts that demonstrate systemic/inherent racism.

Can you do that? At the moment, your entire argument seems to be "nah it is, because it is". It suggests you don't have a handle on the material to make a more sophisticated or substantive case.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

You assert but don't demonstrate anything. Come back to me when you understand what that means.

You appear to think that simply calling something "systemic racism" makes the case that it is in fact systemic racism. Like these are magic words that do the trick on their own. It's so obviously inadequate.

Demonstrate that it's systemic racism and not just an individual failure of governance.

Have you read the report? Show me the parts that demonstrate systemic/inherent racism.

Can you do that? At the moment, your entire argument seems to be "nah it is, because it is". It suggests you don't have a handle on the material to make a more sophisticated or substantive case.

It's been demonstrated. The example has been provided. The report demonstrated it in its findings and I have provided an example which corroborates that many times (the example was also listed in the report). You are the only one refusing to accept that either because of a failure of comprehension or because you are being deliberately obtuse.

Although the evidence has been provided you refuse to accept it. That is your prerogative but there's not much point going round in circles about it. You will state it hasn't been demonstrated, I will rebut and provide the evidence which has already been provided time and again in this thread, in the report and elsewhere. And round and round we'll go.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

It's been demonstrated. The example has been provided. The report demonstrated it in its findings and I have provided an example which corroborates that many times (the example was also listed in the report). You are the only one refusing to accept that either because of a failure of comprehension or because you are being deliberately obtuse.

Although the evidence has been provided you refuse to accept it. That is your prerogative but there's not much point going round in circles about it. You will state it hasn't been demonstrated, I will rebut and provide the evidence which has already been provided time and again in this thread, in the report and elsewhere. And round and round we'll go.

You're just repeating your assertions without demonstrating anything or responding to my questions. Because you can't.

You just call it "systemic racism" without saying how that's the case.

If you were able to demonstrate it, you'd just do it, instead of talking around it. No amount of bluster can conceal it.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

You're just repeating your assertions without demonstrating anything or responding to my questions. Because you can't.

You just call it "systemic racism" without saying how that's the case.

If you were able to demonstrate it, you'd just do it, instead of talking around it. No amount of bluster can conceal it.

It's already been demonstrated. I provided the example. The example demonstrates it. I'm not sure what else you want, perhaps you would like some visual aides to assist your comprehension?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

It's already been demonstrated. I provided the example. The example demonstrates it. I'm not sure what else you want, perhaps you would like some visual aides to assist your comprehension?

I'd like you to make your case, which you haven't done.

According to your own definition, systemic racism requires racism to be inherent. You haven't demonstrated that's the case. Nor does the report.

Nor does a single example demonstrate "systemic racism", no matter how determined you are to call it that.

You simply make assertions but can't demonstrate anything.

Repeating that "nah it is"… that's not an argument.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I'd like you to make your case, which you haven't done.

According to your own definition, systemic racism requires racism to be inherent. You haven't demonstrated that's the case. Nor does the report.

Nor does a single example demonstrate "systemic racism", no matter how determined you are to call it that.

You simply make assertions but can't demonstrate anything.

Repeating that "nah it is"… that's not an argument.

Yes, the example provided does demonstrate systemic racism. The systems setup (whether deliberately or not) discriminated against someone like Lumumba and provide no recourse for him to have his complaint redressed. Not only that but when he did raise the complaint he was victimised for it.

I don't know what you are expecting, are you waiting for me to present a picture of Eddie and Bucks in KKK gear?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Yes, the example provided does demonstrate systemic racism. The systems setup (whether deliberately or not) discriminated against someone like Lumumba and provide no recourse for him to have his complaint redressed. Not only that but when he did raise the complaint he was victimised for it.

So how are you certain this is systemic racism, as opposed to an individual failure of governance?

I don't know what you are expecting, are you waiting for me to present a picture of Eddie and Bucks in KKK gear?

According to your definition, systemic racism requires the racism to be inherent. So I'd expect you to demonstrate that the racism was in fact systemic/inherent.

Instead, you've offered a single example that doesn't on its own demonstrate systemic racism. You just label it as such and claim that does the trick.

 

[Roby]

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talks about the systemic racism (the fifteenth example shown in this thread) at Collingwood in the Guardian today. Another reason why Eddie's gone.

 

[Borussia Teeth]

OK... no. Stop.

Nobody said McGuire is a “systematic racist”. That’s not even something a person can be... I ... wow.

Automatic... systematic... hydromatic...

 

[Chief]

You’re doing the old trick of picking individual incidents and pretending each on its own MUST be a full example or else the problem doesn’t exist.

Look at them all together. As a pattern. With no coherent organisational process to deal with them. Look at the way there was no real attempt to put a system in place to deal with them.

Sweet Jesus do you get it yet?

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Sweet Jesus do you get it yet?

Huh? Is there new information?

Are you so eager to be the kind of person who "gets it" that you'll waive the need for evidence, details, specifics?

There's still a requirement to demonstrate all this, surely.

Imagine a charge of "systemic corruption" against a government, a police force, a company or some other institution. Imagine the kind of detail and documentation you'd want to sustain that charge, to demonstrate there was not just an isolated incident of corruption but a truly systemic problem.

But for the charge of systemic racism, someone just has to say the magic words "systemic racism" and you're on board?

For such a loaded, consequential accusation, surely the bar is higher than this.

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Leon Davis talks about the systemic racism (the fifteenth example shown in this thread) at Collingwood in the Guardian today. Another reason why Eddie's gone.

The one specific incident he mentions occurred 22 years ago. The argument states that explicitly.

That's why Eddie had to go?

Don't get me wrong. Davis's comments are more compelling than anything in that report. And what he describes simply should not have happened to him. But does it demonstrate systemic racism 20 years down the line? Seems like a long bow to draw.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

Leon Davis talks about the systemic racism (the fifteenth example shown in this thread) at Collingwood in the Guardian today. Another reason why Eddie's gone.

He didn't talk about "systemic racism" at all, do you know what systemic means?

Hawthorn used racism as a tool to unsettle the West Coast Eagles, it was premeditated racism, how's your high horse now? Or shouldn't we speak about that?

When living in a glass house......

 

[Sweet Jesus]

Are people being more intellectually dishonest because it's Eddie and Collingwood? Or are they like this usually?

You guys are like witch hunters in the Dark Ages. The accusation is all that's required to convict.

Systemic racism! OMG burn him! Don't wait for evidence. Burn him! Eddie then quits and you guys claim you've been vindicated. It's deranged.

 

[Lip Gallagher]

Are people being more intellectually dishonest because it's Eddie and Collingwood? Or are they like this usually?

You guys are like witch hunters in the Dark Ages. The accusation is all that's required to convict.

Systemic racism! OMG burn him! Don't wait for evidence. Burn him! Eddie then quits and you guys claim you've been vindicated. It's deranged.

BF loves a bit of blood in the water, TBH though mate i'm actually surprised by the amount of support we've recieved from opposition posters like yourself, it will all blow over soon enough.

Leons words did hit a nerve with me (because he actually has credibility compared to H) but that was 20 years ago, even so i can't believe anyone would be so dumb to do that, i wish he would name those responsable.