EDFL Premier Discussion 2023

[Del28562]

The aps players have always missed large chunks of the season. Even back when Calder was successful they had players like wallis, libba missing most of the season playing for st kevs, or players at pegs etc.
I think the issue is 3 pronged.
1. The talent in the north west ( Calder and western) is not at the same level it once was, the quality coming through has significantly dropped off in the past 10 years. So there is a smaller pool of talent to pick from. Just have to look at greenvale as a case study. They used to have 4-5 players every year on calders list that actually grew up in the suburb. Junior numbers playing u16 and u18 in the wrfl have shrunk, while they’re strong as ever in the East and top that with a lot are coming through the aps system and getting top quality development.
2. A lot of clubs in the region don’t invest in their junior development, most money is put into the senior program. Compare that to the East where a lot of juniors come through the Yarra junior football league where there are no senior teams involved with the club, so all money is reinvested in the junior players. Better coaching leads to better development, compare that with some dad who is volunteering with little coaching experience.
3. The aps system has got so strong which afl clubs actually like, and can often have more scouts at aps games than nab league during the school football period. Even though it’s a lesser quality to nab league, it can only take 1 dominant performance and suddenly they get the attention of scouts who then watch them closely for the rest of the season, it’d be like scouts coming down and watching a kid dominate for Keilor or strathmore - suddenly they’d see them in a different light, but that doesn’t happen. These days it can be a bigger tick for players if they’re part of an aps program in eyes of recruiters, for the off field side of things.

Couple that with calder and westerns program being significantly worst in coaching, and identification of talent. Kids don’t even get a look in unless they’re situated at certain clubs. Recruiters now see western as the second rate program and often kids slip past the point of where they should be drafted. Calder is heading the same way and it needs to be addressed. It’s worrying that literally the whole north west side of Melbourne is no longer getting elite talent consistently into the afl. Calder has not had a top 20 pick that was a junior in the region since 2014, having 3 in the top 14 that year(would’ve been 3 in the top 10 if lever didn’t do his knee). Western has only had 2 players taken in the national draft since 2018. They are horrible statistics.

Are kids going to pegs or getting scholarships earlier, as there seems to be all the top picks are Sandringham or Oakleigh aligned

 

[torpfrom50]

Job Vacancy - EDFL Chief Executive Officer​

Wednesday, December 7th, 2022 at 12:20pm

Applications close Thursday 12th January 2023​

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The Essendon District Football League is seeking applications to fill the position of Chief Executive Officer.
The EDFL is a respected metropolitan league in the North-West region of Melbourne, compiling of over 35 clubs and 450 teams across seniors and juniors men and women and boys and girls.
As Chief Executive Officer you will be responsible for leading the EDFL, ensuring its future development and success through a range of commercial, sport and participatory objectives.
The right applicant will bring a strong focus to servicing and managing the League in the common interest of its affiliated clubs.
To be considered for this role you will need to be a contemporary and professional business manager with leadership, energy, vision and integrity.
You will have the skills to navigate through complex issues in prioritising, managing and delivering outcomes to achieve the strategic objectives of the League.
You will be an inspirational manager with the ability to lead the day-today operations of the league and assist in guiding the strategic development of the EDFL and its staff, officials, member clubs and the wider community.
The right applicant will also encompass the visions, values and strategic pillars of the EDFL.
Our Vision
To enhance our community through our participation in sport
Our Values
We will create an inclusive, safe and diverse environment for all
We will be transparent, honest, act with integrity and consult consistently
We will inspire others with our leadership
We will be progressive and innovative in our approach
We will build expertise and undertake training to deliver professional services
Our Strategic Pillars
Participation – recruit, retain and support participants and volunteers
Facilities- develop partnerships to provide football and netball facilities that are inclusive and welcoming and support growth
Community – a vibrant and sustainable league and clubs with active involvement in our community
Leadership and Governance – a professional and engaged board and staff
The job is based at the administrative offices of the EDFL at Windy Hill.
Competitive remuneration package will be based on experience and qualifications of the applicant.
Applicants should send a resume and cover letter outlining their relevant skills and experience that will demonstrate their ability to deliver on the key areas of responsibility.
A full job description for the role can be found here
All applications should be directed to chairman@essendondfl.com.au
Applications close Thursday 12th January 2023.

 

[andleanback]

Are kids going to pegs or getting scholarships earlier, as there seems to be all the top picks are Sandringham or Oakleigh aligned

Not necessarily a lot are aligned to oakleigh and sandringham, but a heaps of country kids are playing aps. It’s really become an arms race in the past 5-6 years with every school wanting to bring in more elite kids to be able to compete. Caufield and geelong grammar hand out heaps boarding scholarships to country footy kids every year, on top of the metro kids that get them. Also what is happening some of the country kids are choosing to align with either the chargers or dragons when they’re boarding down here instead of going back to play for murray, gwv etc. For example oakleigh got all the credit for jamarra ugle-hagan, when really he was a greater western Victoria player.

 

[MortlockWatcher]

Heard Deer Park premier division, St Albans Div 1. 2 divisions of 11 teams, play 8 teams twice & 2 teams once !

That is logical and probably the best way to deal with the situation. It therefore won't happen.

 

[Turbos mail]

Pascoe Vale sign Nick Hayes. Aligned with Werribee but they are signing some good ones.

 

[bangfrom50]

Pascoe Vale sign Nick Hayes. Aligned with Werribee but they are signing some good ones.

Salary Cap?

 

[1st time long time]

Salary Cap?

If he only plays 4-5 games I don't see how the salary cap cops that much of a hit tbh.

 

[1st time long time]

Pascoe Vale sign Nick Hayes. Aligned with Werribee but they are signing some good ones.

Absolute super star. Was a genuine gun at Woodville in the SANFL as well.

 

[torpfrom50]

If he only plays 4-5 games I don't see how the salary cap cops that much of a hit tbh.

$5k for 5 games of $100K for 18 games, you do the math id say that a hit

 

[Come on Cents]

The aps players have always missed large chunks of the season. Even back when Calder was successful they had players like wallis, libba missing most of the season playing for st kevs, or players at pegs etc.
I think the issue is 3 pronged.
1. The talent in the north west ( Calder and western) is not at the same level it once was, the quality coming through has significantly dropped off in the past 10 years. So there is a smaller pool of talent to pick from. Just have to look at greenvale as a case study. They used to have 4-5 players every year on calders list that actually grew up in the suburb. Junior numbers playing u16 and u18 in the wrfl have shrunk, while they’re strong as ever in the East and top that with a lot are coming through the aps system and getting top quality development.
2. A lot of clubs in the region don’t invest in their junior development, most money is put into the senior program. Compare that to the East where a lot of juniors come through the Yarra junior football league where there are no senior teams involved with the club, so all money is reinvested in the junior players. Better coaching leads to better development, compare that with some dad who is volunteering with little coaching experience.
3. The aps system has got so strong which afl clubs actually like, and can often have more scouts at aps games than nab league during the school football period. Even though it’s a lesser quality to nab league, it can only take 1 dominant performance and suddenly they get the attention of scouts who then watch them closely for the rest of the season, it’d be like scouts coming down and watching a kid dominate for Keilor or strathmore - suddenly they’d see them in a different light, but that doesn’t happen. These days it can be a bigger tick for players if they’re part of an aps program in eyes of recruiters, for the off field side of things.

Couple that with calder and westerns program being significantly worst in coaching, and identification of talent. Kids don’t even get a look in unless they’re situated at certain clubs. Recruiters now see western as the second rate program and often kids slip past the point of where they should be drafted. Calder is heading the same way and it needs to be addressed. It’s worrying that literally the whole north west side of Melbourne is no longer getting elite talent consistently into the afl. Calder has not had a top 20 pick that was a junior in the region since 2014, having 3 in the top 14 that year(would’ve been 3 in the top 10 if lever didn’t do his knee). Western has only had 2 players taken in the national draft since 2018. They are horrible statistics.

So is the solution to invest time and training and maybe money into better U16 and U18 coaches at club level (as opposed to a volunteer parent) which will give the kids better chances at NAB league and possibly AFL and if not then at least become a better player as a senior 1 pointer. Clubs cannot afford to spend like the APS but something needs to change

 

[andleanback]

So is the solution to invest time and training and maybe money into better U16 and U18 coaches at club level (as opposed to a volunteer parent) which will give the kids better chances at NAB league and possibly AFL and if not then at least become a better player as a senior 1 pointer. Clubs cannot afford to spend like the APS but something needs to change

It’s u10-u14s area that is more crucial for early development. Eastern and dandenong still have really good programs and a lot of their kids aren’t in the aps system. Identifying more kids in shrinking talent pool is the starting point.

 

[Come on Cents]

It’s u10-u14s area that is more crucial for early development. Eastern and dandenong still have really good programs and a lot of their kids aren’t in the aps system. Identifying more kids in shrinking talent pool is the starting point.

Agree, the earlier they get exposed to good coaching the better the outcomes. Talent identification needs to start from the clubs. For EDFL rep U13-U14 try outs our club said only 4 players can be selected but at the 1st training some clubs had 8-10 players. Not sure who decides these numbers but giving good players opportunities should be what it is about

 

[Del28562]

Agree, the earlier they get exposed to good coaching the better the outcomes. Talent identification needs to start from the clubs. For EDFL rep U13-U14 try outs our club said only 4 players can be selected but at the 1st training some clubs had 8-10 players. Not sure who decides these numbers but giving good players opportunities should be what it is about

Kids develop at different ages, let them enjoy their footy, took Greg Williams until he was 21 to get a go at vfl, same with bucks, these guys wouldn't get a look in with today's academies and systems, even Dane Swan would probably get overlooked now

 

[Swoopingtime]

Matty Dennis is not the player he was 5-6 years ago. Not close to one of the top 3 Ruckmen in local footy anymore. Will still be handy. But don't expect that old Dennis.

I remember people saying Chris Stewart would struggle in the EDFL

 

[nosecondprize]

I remember people saying Chris Stewart would struggle in the EDFL

I couldn't care less what comp he's playing in. He's just not the player he was 5-6 years ago.

 

[Swoopingtime]

I couldn't care less what comp he's playing in. He's just not the player he was 5-6 years ago.

Getting better with age.

 

[Bashen]

I remember people saying Chris Stewart would struggle in the EDFL

Hahaha spot on both will beat every ruckman in this comp for the next 3 years. No need to run out full games anymore in the ruck for either of em

Both are Like a fine wine. Better with age.


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[1st time long time]

$5k for 5 games of $100K for 18 games, you do the math id say that a hit

You must be in the know to know what he's being paid... I don't think you'd have any clue if I'm honest.

 

[Turbos mail]

Hahaha spot on both will beat every ruckman in this comp for the next 3 years. No need to run out full games anymore in the ruck for either of em

Both are Like a fine wine. Better with age.


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Good pick up for EK no doubt but I would have invested in a younger type developing ruckman to work in tandem with Stewart. 2 reasons one being to have a longer term option and 2 to save $$.
Having said that ruckman are not easy to find and you guys have 2. Just thinking maybe a younger guy might have been best option. Even a tall forward who can play 2nd ruck. Predominantly Stewart and Dennis are pure ruckman.

Bit like Collingwood off loading Grundy due to to much of the salary cap tied up in ruckman so they off load one to balance out the list.

Anyway best of luck to both of these metro legends. Both been stars for many years and whilst you can still play keep going.

 

[Potato Chops]

Job Vacancy - EDFL Chief Executive Officer​

Wednesday, December 7th, 2022 at 12:20pm

Applications close Thursday 12th January 2023​

---

The Essendon District Football League is seeking applications to fill the position of Chief Executive Officer.
The EDFL is a respected metropolitan league in the North-West region of Melbourne, compiling of over 35 clubs and 450 teams across seniors and juniors men and women and boys and girls.
As Chief Executive Officer you will be responsible for leading the EDFL, ensuring its future development and success through a range of commercial, sport and participatory objectives.
The right applicant will bring a strong focus to servicing and managing the League in the common interest of its affiliated clubs.
To be considered for this role you will need to be a contemporary and professional business manager with leadership, energy, vision and integrity.
You will have the skills to navigate through complex issues in prioritising, managing and delivering outcomes to achieve the strategic objectives of the League.
You will be an inspirational manager with the ability to lead the day-today operations of the league and assist in guiding the strategic development of the EDFL and its staff, officials, member clubs and the wider community.
The right applicant will also encompass the visions, values and strategic pillars of the EDFL.
Our Vision
To enhance our community through our participation in sport
Our Values
We will create an inclusive, safe and diverse environment for all
We will be transparent, honest, act with integrity and consult consistently
We will inspire others with our leadership
We will be progressive and innovative in our approach
We will build expertise and undertake training to deliver professional services
Our Strategic Pillars
Participation – recruit, retain and support participants and volunteers
Facilities- develop partnerships to provide football and netball facilities that are inclusive and welcoming and support growth
Community – a vibrant and sustainable league and clubs with active involvement in our community
Leadership and Governance – a professional and engaged board and staff
The job is based at the administrative offices of the EDFL at Windy Hill.
Competitive remuneration package will be based on experience and qualifications of the applicant.
Applicants should send a resume and cover letter outlining their relevant skills and experience that will demonstrate their ability to deliver on the key areas of responsibility.
A full job description for the role can be found here
All applications should be directed to chairman@essendondfl.com.au
Applications close Thursday 12th January 2023.

Please read this everyone
Quote EDFL
Our values
To be transparent,honest, act with integrity and consult
It’s unbelievable that the board can put this out whilst acting in the exact opposite to the values outlined
Regardless, the clubs voted last night to stick with the same board with one minor change , so in the end no club can complain about any issue from the past 3 years or for the next 12 months because the clubs lack of care for the competitions running is nil.
If you feel like commenting on this don’t, ring ya gutless committee

 

[1st time long time]

Please read this everyone
Quote EDFL
Our values
To be transparent,honest, act with integrity and consult
It’s unbelievable that the board can put this out whilst acting in the exact opposite to the values outlined
Regardless, the clubs voted last night to stick with the same board with one minor change , so in the end no club can complain about any issue from the past 3 years or for the next 12 months because the clubs lack of care for the competitions running is nil.
If you feel like commenting on this don’t, ring ya gutless committee

Wow someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed..

 

[FootBall_]

Hearing kitey might of got the sack.


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[Bashen]

Good pick up for EK no doubt but I would have invested in a younger type developing ruckman to work in tandem with Stewart. 2 reasons one being to have a longer term option and 2 to save $$.
Having said that ruckman are not easy to find and you guys have 2. Just thinking maybe a younger guy might have been best option. Even a tall forward who can play 2nd ruck. Predominantly Stewart and Dennis are pure ruckman.

Bit like Collingwood off loading Grundy due to to much of the salary cap tied up in ruckman so they off load one to balance out the list.

Anyway best of luck to both of these metro legends. Both been stars for many years and whilst you can still play keep going.

Can i be honest. Stewart is predominantly a ruckman yes but this year with Dennis in the side he can easily play forward he kicks bags when hes there his game to goal ratio as a ruckman proves that. If he played a full season as FF this year id bet any wager with anyone here hed lead goal kicking for the comp. He's unplayable, not a single defender in this comp would stop him lol. If you disagree your a hater or havnt seen him play enough..

Speaking of youth... Will be interesting this year EK have lost alot of 1 pointers which is well documented however all 30+ and towards the end of their career, still all 1 pointers are handy. All their recruits this year are early to mid 20's so plenty youth in the side now. Top of my head bar Stewart, Dennis and Shaw everyone else is sub 30 so they have a very very young and quick side now. Very good list on paper if VFL (6 players) and Injuries allow.

And yes im sure Dennis would be more expensive then a younger up and coming ruckman but in saying that with the players that left last year im sure there was plenty of their cap made available.

Exciting year.

 

[1st time long time]

Can i be honest. Stewart is predominantly a ruckman yes but this year with Dennis in the side he can easily play forward he kicks bags when hes there his game to goal ratio as a ruckman proves that. If he played a full season as FF this year id bet any wager with anyone here hed lead goal kicking for the comp. He's unplayable, not a single defender in this comp would stop him lol. If you disagree your a hater or havnt seen him play enough..

Speaking of youth... Will be interesting this year EK have lost alot of 1 pointers which is well documented however all 30+ and towards the end of their career, still all 1 pointers are handy. All their recruits this year are early to mid 20's so plenty youth in the side now. Top of my head bar Stewart, Dennis and Shaw everyone else is sub 30 so they have a very very young and quick side now. Very good list on paper if VFL (6 players) and Injuries allow.

And yes im sure Dennis would be more expensive then a younger up and coming ruckman but in saying that with the players that left last year im sure there was plenty of their cap made available.

Exciting year.

Think Stredwick/Davis would go ok on him...

 

[mores]

Hearing kitey might of got the sack.


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