EDFL Premier Div 2020

[footyman]

If a season gets underway, and some sort of crowd is allowed in, where will finals be played? Fine print of the agreement to use cricket grounds in October says no premier cricket venues can be used in October which rules out Windy Hill and Greenvale. Coburg City Oval is being renovated and no footy there this year.

 

[Stax on the mill]

Wow my head hurts ... that was a bloody lot to digest (and iterpret) since I last had a gander

At least taking the time to read it challenges the brain and keeps you off the streets Doona!

 

[Gremlin77]

If a season gets underway, and some sort of crowd is allowed in, where will finals be played? Fine print of the agreement to use cricket grounds in October says no premier cricket venues can be used in October which rules out Windy Hill and Greenvale. Coburg City Oval is being renovated and no footy there this year.

homeground advantage for Keilor ?

 

[MYOB]

If a season gets underway, and some sort of crowd is allowed in, where will finals be played? Fine print of the agreement to use cricket grounds in October says no premier cricket venues can be used in October which rules out Windy Hill and Greenvale. Coburg City Oval is being renovated and no footy there this year.

Highgate

 

[ZingerAbed]

If a season gets underway, and some sort of crowd is allowed in, where will finals be played? Fine print of the agreement to use cricket grounds in October says no premier cricket venues can be used in October which rules out Windy Hill and Greenvale. Coburg City Oval is being renovated and no footy there this year.

Highgate probably the most obvious choice. no home ground advantage for any team, VFL / TAC use the ground could be the only issue

 

[torpfrom50]

The money is the clubs and that money comes from the clubs members buddy

Not really mate any money your club has in the bank is likely to be largely from Junior Subs and key sponsors/benefactors members put in two-fifths of F ..All

But that point aside Torp if you value your member's money don't piss it up against the wall on a half baked 2020 that will cost your club money and reduce your bank balance to deal with a tough 2021.

It's a fools errand and it's making you feel good but the only real winner is the EDFL, your just a pawn punter in their game $$. Are you on a full time wage like the staff at the EDFL Torp? Your just collecting fees for the EDFL you just can't see the wood for the trees mate.

If you are genuinely having a crack and part of trying to put on a season for your club then I applaud you because your opinion does count if your a doer who will be affected by the decision rather than a supporter who just wants to rock up and watch local footy for free and go home.

We can agree to disagree and let the cards fall where they will.

Mate I think your post is bullshit because...........

Hey Cheap,
I am not across the inbox at this moment.
I have shared my view (my view only)

For season 2020 to go ahead in a reduced season format it can only do so WHEN not IF-
EDFL eliminate / reduce / postpone clubs fees
Players and coaches sign up for a season of $0
Medical supplies and trainers can be funded ex memberships again will have to be reduced

EDFL coffers is clubs money it is not the EDFL's money so clubs MUST push back and stand united or no football can take place (junior or senior)

Clubs cannot and clubs will not be able to pay coaches or players for 2020

In 100% agreement there Torp if that really could and did happen even I would jump camps. and eat humble pie with a smile on my face

My big fear is the financially weaker premier clubs are going to get bullied by the EDFL and a couple of wealthy clubs and call a season on without those things happening Torp and leave the weaker clubs in the shitty situation of having to pull out as a stand-alone club and deal with all the flack that will come by doing that, when the organisation they pay (EDFL) didn't protect the majority of their member clubs because their self-interest meant they want a season to go ahead for their $$$.

To be clear I am all for getting Junior competitions going because everyone's interests are aligned there and it's all upside in my view.

Cheers Cheap
To be clear my view (only my view) is WHEN EDFL accept the commercial reality of no income for 2020 then we are a chance.

No junior or senior football CAN or will be played (in my view) until this happens

Time to get to work EDFL management and board - for your members to be satisfied with your effort and support.

EDFL need to mitigate all costs for 2020 for both the league to run and for all of the clubs to operate.

Cheap we cannot have two sets of rules - one set for the big names with choice and one set for the players and the lesser light coaches.

Its one in all in.

By big names i am taking your statement (high profile coaches) vs lesser lights (local or newer coaches) in no way am i putting a divide between either group of coaches.

Unfortunately this is a unique situation and i will say yes coaches have a choice (a coach could step aside for season 2020, allow an assistant to run the show or a coach could tender a resignation and land a new role for 2021.

Yes the time has been put in, yes a pre season was run, yes a lot of work has been put in - in return clubs could offer to extend a coaches contract by one year on the other end as an option.

Your starting to start like Torp with the big statements:


Torp statement "players will play thats what they need and that what they want"

Cheap your position on not wanting EDFL football played in 2020 is understood - whilst your reasoning has flip flopped we get you dont want footy in 2020.

You position now is on funds and funds only

i have stated on plenty of occasions my position on that - put you energy into that not potting others who are working god damn hard to get a season up.

EDFL need to mitigate all costs for 2020 for both the league to run and for all of the clubs to operate.

EDFL - must reduce / eliminate running cost for 2020 irrelevant if season kicks off (staff / rent / running costs/ fees / umpires / etc etc)
Clubs - must reduce / eliminate running cost for 2020 (players $0, coaches $0, council rates & league fees must be addressed)

Clubs income can and will only be most likely memberships (YES that is right members) at best clubs will only be able to charge members a reduced membership, whether it is paid or not paid - clubs will either have to offer a credit for those that have paid irrelevant of a season being played or not.

 

[torpfrom50]

If a season gets underway, and some sort of crowd is allowed in, where will finals be played? Fine print of the agreement to use cricket grounds in October says no premier cricket venues can be used in October which rules out Windy Hill and Greenvale. Coburg City Oval is being renovated and no footy there this year.

Awesome a new topic which focuses on a season getting up, love the positive approach and hope we need to make a call on a finals location,

Question - in the current environment of just wanting to get footy played - does the finals venue really matter?

 

[ZingerAbed]

Awesome a new topic which focuses on a season getting up, love the positive approach and hope we need to make a call on a finals location,

Question - in the current environment of just wanting to get footy played - does the finals venue really matter?

I’m sure the players/coaches wouldn’t care at this stage given the uncertainty around the season!
But not sure Abers would be happy playing Keilor at Keilor on grand final day especially if they happen to finish on top

 

[Colonel Sanders 3036]

If I could just step out of my Cheapseat inspired ISO dooms-day bunker for a minute, I'll throw in my 2 cents again. Sigh, I had given up...

I'm getting very tired of reading the multiple times daily vitriolic diatribe yelled at us from Cheapo. Please give us a spell, you have your opinion, but you are trying to stop us having ours.

There is a health risk: But you cant surely say its extreme. If it were, the morgues would be full and the government would have implemented similar measures years ago to stop the hundreds of annual influenza deaths. BTW, if things do get worse, I am completely in favour of pulling the reigns, or pulling the season if need be. There are many places open with many people congregating, there are protests with thousands of people. There could be cases involving footy clubs, but this is a possibility for cricket and next year too. On its own, this is not an argument to cancel now.

There is a financial risk: EDFL has advised the clubs what the fees will be for the reduced season. It has been cut right back. Councils have said there wont be any rates. The salary cap is zero. These alone will save each prem club at least $250k. Council has now allowed rooms to be used for functions. Some sponsors will return. Some social events are possible. Canteens can be opened.

Extra help is needed: Yes it is.. And help can be hard to come by. Often though, we just don't ask for it. Parents have had it very easy for 12 weeks not doing any sport related driving, helping, etc. Surely a few can step up to spend an extra 15 minutes to clean the rooms for a half season.

Cautious approach: I don't see why we couldn't cautiously develop our systems to get this right. You might find were' still doing this for cricket and next years footy.

Its not all about the win: Community sporting clubs are a hub that provide wellness benefits in many forms.

Players don't want to play: That's not the case at my club. IN March, when players were surveyed, they quite rightly said no . The risk was much higher, the virus was uncontrolled and we were all very anxious. Over the past 2 months our opinions have changed. As has that of the chief medical officer who has advised government that it is safe to cautiously return to play.

My club is run by passionate volunteers that want to provide the community with a game and much more. They have had parents that have stepped up, sponsors that have stepped up and coaches that have gone the extra yard. If your club doesn't have that, then sorry, maybe your at the wrong club. Come down to frog hollow to see what a well run club looks like. There are many others too.

Now, whilst i'm out of my bomb shelter i'm heading over to the Div 1 page to challenge a fella having a crack at APW.

Everyone hold your breath whilst henny penny spends the next few hours writing pages of rebuttal and cuts "facts" out of the newspaper to slap us in the face with, desperately hoping that the sky will fall in so he can yell "Told you so" from his high horse.

 

[Cheapseat]

If I could just step out of my Cheapseat inspired ISO dooms-day bunker for a minute, I'll throw in my 2 cents again. Sigh, I had given up...

I'm getting very tired of reading the multiple times daily vitriolic diatribe yelled at us from Cheapo. Please give us a spell, you have your opinion, but you are trying to stop us having ours.

There is a health risk: But you cant surely say its extreme. If it were, the morgues would be full and the government would have implemented similar measures years ago to stop the hundreds of annual influenza deaths. BTW, if things do get worse, I am completely in favour of pulling the reigns, or pulling the season if need be. There are many places open with many people congregating, there are protests with thousands of people. There could be cases involving footy clubs, but this is a possibility for cricket and next year too. On its own, this is not an argument to cancel now.

There is a financial risk: EDFL has advised the clubs what the fees will be for the reduced season. It has been cut right back. Councils have said there wont be any rates. The salary cap is zero. These alone will save each prem club at least $250k. Council has now allowed rooms to be used for functions. Some sponsors will return. Some social events are possible. Canteens can be opened.

Extra help is needed: Yes it is.. And help can be hard to come by. Often though, we just don't ask for it. Parents have had it very easy for 12 weeks not doing any sport related driving, helping, etc. Surely a few can step up to spend an extra 15 minutes to clean the rooms for a half season.

Cautious approach: I don't see why we couldn't cautiously develop our systems to get this right. You might find were' still doing this for cricket and next years footy.

Its not all about the win: Community sporting clubs are a hub that provide wellness benefits in many forms.

Players don't want to play: That's not the case at my club. IN March, when players were surveyed, they quite rightly said no . The risk was much higher, the virus was uncontrolled and we were all very anxious. Over the past 2 months our opinions have changed. As has that of the chief medical officer who has advised government that it is safe to cautiously return to play.

My club is run by passionate volunteers that want to provide the community with a game and much more. They have had parents that have stepped up, sponsors that have stepped up and coaches that have gone the extra yard. If your club doesn't have that, then sorry, maybe your at the wrong club. Come down to frog hollow to see what a well run club looks like. There are many others too.

Now, whilst i'm out of my bomb shelter i'm heading over to the Div 1 page to challenge a fella having a crack at APW.

Everyone hold your breath whilst henny penny spends the next few hours writing pages of rebuttal and cuts "facts" out of the newspaper to slap us in the face with, desperately hoping that the sky will fall in so he can yell "Told you so" from his high horse.

There we go, someone, had a crack and 10 points for a well thought out and passionate post there Colonel, not wrong I'm looking for clippings as I type .

Regards the horse it's the same one the EFL, NFL, Ky etc.. are on.

Keep cheering it's your money. Winning is losing if you catch my drift.
A Pyrrhic victory is a victory that inflicts such a devastating toll on the victor that it is tantamount to defeat. Someone who wins a Pyrrhic victory has also taken a heavy toll that negates any true sense of achievement or damages long-term progress.

Your points are clear and I take your point I just disagree with them wholeheartedly that's all. Let the cards fall where they will time will tell.

P.S Just for you Colonel

Melbourne school closed after year five student tests positive for COVID-19

Victoria records nine new cases of coronavirus, including a student at Strathmore Primary School in Melbourne's north.

www.abc.net.au

Third Melbourne primary school closes after student tests positive to coronavirus

The child is the fifth school student in the state to test positive for the virus in just two days.

7news.com.au

 

[torpfrom50]

If I could just step out of my Cheapseat inspired ISO dooms-day bunker for a minute, I'll throw in my 2 cents again. Sigh, I had given up...

I'm getting very tired of reading the multiple times daily vitriolic diatribe yelled at us from Cheapo. Please give us a spell, you have your opinion, but you are trying to stop us having ours.

There is a health risk: But you cant surely say its extreme. If it were, the morgues would be full and the government would have implemented similar measures years ago to stop the hundreds of annual influenza deaths. BTW, if things do get worse, I am completely in favour of pulling the reigns, or pulling the season if need be. There are many places open with many people congregating, there are protests with thousands of people. There could be cases involving footy clubs, but this is a possibility for cricket and next year too. On its own, this is not an argument to cancel now.

There is a financial risk: EDFL has advised the clubs what the fees will be for the reduced season. It has been cut right back. Councils have said there wont be any rates. The salary cap is zero. These alone will save each prem club at least $250k. Council has now allowed rooms to be used for functions. Some sponsors will return. Some social events are possible. Canteens can be opened.

Extra help is needed: Yes it is.. And help can be hard to come by. Often though, we just don't ask for it. Parents have had it very easy for 12 weeks not doing any sport related driving, helping, etc. Surely a few can step up to spend an extra 15 minutes to clean the rooms for a half season.

Cautious approach: I don't see why we couldn't cautiously develop our systems to get this right. You might find were' still doing this for cricket and next years footy.

Its not all about the win: Community sporting clubs are a hub that provide wellness benefits in many forms.

Players don't want to play: That's not the case at my club. IN March, when players were surveyed, they quite rightly said no . The risk was much higher, the virus was uncontrolled and we were all very anxious. Over the past 2 months our opinions have changed. As has that of the chief medical officer who has advised government that it is safe to cautiously return to play.

My club is run by passionate volunteers that want to provide the community with a game and much more. They have had parents that have stepped up, sponsors that have stepped up and coaches that have gone the extra yard. If your club doesn't have that, then sorry, maybe your at the wrong club. Come down to frog hollow to see what a well run club looks like. There are many others too.

Now, whilst i'm out of my bomb shelter i'm heading over to the Div 1 page to challenge a fella having a crack at APW.

Everyone hold your breath whilst henny penny spends the next few hours writing pages of rebuttal and cuts "facts" out of the newspaper to slap us in the face with, desperately hoping that the sky will fall in so he can yell "Told you so" from his high horse.

Well said

 

[2s Hack]

30 news cases in the last 3 days, since restrictions have been eased, doubling Victoria's active cases in metro melbourne.

But hey, local football is THE most important thing in life

 

[the horse whisper]

If a season gets underway, and some sort of crowd is allowed in, where will finals be played? Fine print of the agreement to use cricket grounds in October says no premier cricket venues can be used in October which rules out Windy Hill and Greenvale. Coburg City Oval is being renovated and no footy there this year.

Greenvale number 2 oval. Great surface and new rooms

 

[Star]

I heard on weekend Strathmore players don’t want to play as not getting paid.

Here we go again. "I heard"

Better tell that to the 60 players present (3 groups of 20) at the last training session

 

[Doona2]

Highgate

Surely not ... windswept as buggery out there.

 

[Doona2]

Highgate probably the most obvious choice. no home ground advantage for any team, VFL / TAC use the ground could be the only issue

No issue at the moment as nothing official as to whats going on with NAB League has come out yet ...

 

[torpfrom50]

Surely not ... windswept as buggery out there.

Thinking out loud and in the spirit of 2020 and the year it has been.
What about we take the grand final to the country
We could inject significant cash into the local community over a weekend
Accommodation / Pub / restaurants / cafe / local football club / community
It may be far fetched but if we truly stand for community and giving back why couldnt we?

 

[Doona2]

Thinking out loud and in the spirit of 2020 and the year it has been.
What about we take the grand final to the country
We could inject significant cash into the local community over a weekend
Accommodation / Pub / restaurants / cafe / local football club / community
It may be far fetched but if we truly stand for community and giving back why couldnt we?

$hit yeh, and run buses ... love a road trip and an old fashioned "lock in" at a country pub

 

[Bissa3]

Surely not ... windswept as buggery out there.

This seems to come up alot. But it’s no worse than Greenvale which is in the middle of nowhere, and more often than not windy hill has a 4-5 goal breeze to the school end. I mean come on, if it’s good enough for VFL and TAC cup surely it’s ok for some local footy mate.

 

[Turbos mail]

This seems to come up alot. But it’s no worse than Greenvale which is in the middle of nowhere, and more often than not windy hill has a 4-5 goal breeze to the school end. I mean come on, if it’s good enough for VFL and TAC cup surely it’s ok for some local footy mate.

Cmon Bissa, can you walk to that oval from your place and have a few cans and walk home Give me windy hill anytime.

Gee Cheapseat is killing it. His the best on here. Keeping it real.

On another subject if a player is recruited post 1st May they shouldn’t have points discounted for season 2021. Hearing some dodgy stuff happening just to reduce player points for season 2021. So a player comes across late for this season. Plays the minimum games OR the club puts his name on the reserves sheet just to get him a reduction for season 2021 if they stay on. NOW surely that’s cheating in some form. There is no promotion and it’s a Mickey Mouse season so NO points reductions for players recruited post May 1st unless it’s in league clearance. But raiding other leagues needs to be controlled surely..

 

[Cheapseat]

Well said

I feel like the two camps for and against 2020 are making progress:

 

[Bashen]

Cmon Bissa, can you walk to that oval from your place and have a few cans and walk home Give me windy hill anytime.

Gee Cheapseat is killing it. His the best on here. Keeping it real.

On another subject if a player is recruited post 1st May they shouldn’t have points discounted for season 2021. Hearing some dodgy stuff happening just to reduce player points for season 2021. So a player comes across late for this season. Plays the minimum games OR the club puts his name on the reserves sheet just to get him a reduction for season 2021 if they stay on. NOW surely that’s cheating in some form. There is no promotion and it’s a Mickey Mouse season so NO points reductions for players recruited post May 1st unless it’s in league clearance. But raiding other leagues needs to be controlled surely..

Agreed can definitely see this being exposed by many clubs. That’s actually a great suggestion to be honest.


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[The Grover]

Here we go again. "I heard"

Better tell that to the 60 players present (3 groups of 20) at the last training session

In my defence I was using it as an example for Cheapseat Chelsea debate.

Happy for you to debunk that re:Strathmore

Probably every 20 things someone tells you in local footy, might get 1 being fact.

 

[Turbos mail]

homeground advantage for Keilor ?

Glenroy as well.

 

[Turbos mail]

Agreed can definitely see this being exposed by many clubs. That’s actually a great suggestion to be honest.


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See everyone some at EK do like and agree with me.

It definitely needs to be raised and have guidelines around otherwise it’s a farce and another reason for clubs to pull out for this season. For any season to get off the ground the guidelines must be fair.

See a school in Strathmore now closed for 2 weeks due to Covid19 cases. It was always going to happen with kids returning to school. Will happen at a footy club in the coming weeks you watch. So in this case if the child who tested positive plays footy at a club his teammates would be concerned and definitely need to be tested.

I agree that a lot of the hard working volunteers at established clubs are 50plus so it’s a worry. What about senior players with elderly parents and what happens if a case arises.

Now the other thing I’m still seeing on tv with footy and rugby is players spitting on the ground and blowing noses onto the ground. Surely this needs to stop!!