EDFL Premier Division

[Shadow Master]

Who are the other half dozen? Let's see if our lists marry up?

In regards to Luke Blackwell - it goes without saying it's outstanding news for the club – he's CV speaks for itself and his talent certainly complements our existing talent. He’s a multiple B&F winner at Claremont and runner up in the Sandover medal and has similar traits to St. Kilda legend Leonard!!

Shouldn’t we be focusing on those facts and that another quality footballer joins the EDFL instead of the utter rot being bandied around about his contract. All stated numbers and conditions are factually incorrect.

Having Al Keff back is huge and not just for his football ability - outstanding human!

In addition having Stiffy back in training will be a huge bonus for us. He's been very unfortunate with injury.

Totally agree with you there 'puffpuffgivemo', on the fact that it is great that another quality footballer joins the EDFL ranks, Luke Blackwell has built up a great player CV.

Let's face facts, there is certainly more to this story, than the fact that just another quality player has signed to play in the EDFL. You seem to have avoided the initial topic! 'It is hard to believe that any one player is worth that!' Especially when clubs are attempting to put together playing lists that have genuine depth, to help ensure they stay competitive in the case of injury or misfortune.

This is why I continue to wonder why Aberfeldie FC continues to shop at 'The Laurel' instead of
'Dan Murphy's', I thought there may have been a change in their recruiting strategies given their results in recent years.

I'm always amazed, when the reported package on the table, for the player in question to consider, instantly becomes "utter rot", in the eyes of the club doing the courting, the moment the player in question agrees to sign for the package put in front of him. Or in your words 'the club that has bandied around the contract".

Maybe it's just a way of diverting from the fact that they now have to include the package in question in the total of their outgoing player payments for season 2015.

Yet when the player in question is negotiating with several other nearby clubs, which is totally within his rights, he is always happy to share the contents of the highest, most attractive package that has been put on the table in front of him for his consideration!

I would be totally amazed, if a club, that is supposedly so well administered, such as Aberfeldie FC, has allowed the content of the package in question, to be available for viewing to someone who holds a position in the club as you do.

'YOU GET WHAT YOU PLAN FOR'

'INTERESTING TIMES AHEAD FOR SOME CLUBS'

 

[LFDE BACKWARDS]

I think some of the alias's on this forum are actually Liam Pickering, Paul Conners, Craig Kelly or maybe even Ricky Nixon. I'm over 40 and refuse to use the abbreviate LOL so I'll run with ha-ha!
What about Matt Phillios's Club 10.
Who's in?
Browne
Galea
Joyce
N Carruso
Iacabucci
To start with.

 

[shagshouli]

I hear Josh Toy is off to Sunshine with big Mal & Barney

No, Josh Toy to remain at Abers.

 

[puffpuffgivemo]

Totally agree with you there 'puffpuffgivemo', on the fact that it is great that another quality footballer joins the EDFL ranks, Luke Blackwell has built up a great player CV.

Let's face facts, there is certainly more to this story, than the fact that just another quality player has signed to play in the EDFL. You seem to have avoided the initial topic! 'It is hard to believe that any one player is worth that!' Especially when clubs are attempting to put together playing lists that have genuine depth, to help ensure they stay competitive in the case of injury or misfortune.

This is why I continue to wonder why Aberfeldie FC continues to shop at 'The Laurel' instead of
'Dan Murphy's', I thought there may have been a change in their recruiting strategies given their results in recent years.

I'm always amazed, when the reported package on the table, for the player in question to consider, instantly becomes "utter rot", in the eyes of the club doing the courting, the moment the player in question agrees to sign for the package put in front of him. Or in your words 'the club that has bandied around the contract".

Maybe it's just a way of diverting from the fact that they now have to include the package in question in the total of their outgoing player payments for season 2015.

Yet when the player in question is negotiating with several other nearby clubs, which is totally within his rights, he is always happy to share the contents of the highest, most attractive package that has been put on the table in front of him for his consideration!

I would be totally amazed, if a club, that is supposedly so well administered, such as Aberfeldie FC, has allowed the content of the package in question, to be available for viewing to someone who holds a position in the club as you do.

'YOU GET WHAT YOU PLAN FOR'

'INTERESTING TIMES AHEAD FOR SOME CLUBS'

I never said I'd personally seen the contract and totally agree - not something I should or would want to know!

I simply seek feedback from people I believe and trust and you clearly aren't one!

 

[LFDE BACKWARDS]

I never said I'd personally seen the contract and totally agree - not something I should or would want to know!

I simply seek feedback from people I believe and trust and you clearly aren't one!

Puff/Pickering?

 

[milkman99]

Puff/Pickering?

Shadow/Chicken Nixon?

 

[Shadow Master]

I never said I'd personally seen the contract and totally agree - not something I should or would want to know!

I simply seek feedback from people I believe and trust and you clearly aren't one!

Nice set of morals there 'puffpuffgivemo'. Belief and trust! A real solid foundation to build upwards from.

I am very similar to yourself in some ways, I have several people that I simply seek feedback from who I to have both belief and trust in.

In recent times when seeking feedback from three different sources, aligned with three different clubs and all three clubs located within a drop punt and torpedo of Aberfeldie FC. Guess what! Believe it or not! None of the three sources actually know each other personally, yet they all seemed to posses the exact stated numbers and conditions of the package on the table for consideration in question.

So it does seem you are right 'puffpuffgivemo', someone is talking "utter rot" to use your words.

We have five different sources here, divulging stated numbers and conditions of the package in question! I certainly know where the percentages lie as to where the "utter rot" is coming from!

I suppose if I was in Aberfeldie FC's position, I would be stating that the stated numbers and conditions of the package in question were "utter rot" to! Especially when there is so many players on their playing list acquired from the top shelf at 'The Laurel'. It could possibly have the potential to cause some level of animosity amongst the playing group even before preseason has kicked off.

'YOU GET WHAT YOU PLAN FOR'

'INTERESTING TIMES AHEAD FOR SOME CLUBS'

 

[shagshouli]

Nice set of morals there 'puffpuffgivemo'. Belief and trust! A real solid foundation to build upwards from.

I am very similar to yourself in some ways, I have several people that I simply seek feedback from who I to have both belief and trust in.

In recent times when seeking feedback from three different sources, aligned with three different clubs and all three clubs located within a drop punt and torpedo of Aberfeldie FC. Guess what! Believe it or not! None of the three sources actually know each other personally, yet they all seemed to posses the exact stated numbers and conditions of the package on the table for consideration in question.

So it does seem you are right 'puffpuffgivemo', someone is talking "utter rot" to use your words.

We have five different sources here, divulging stated numbers and conditions of the package in question! I certainly know where the percentages lie as to where the "utter rot" is coming from!

I suppose if I was in Aberfeldie FC's position, I would be stating that the stated numbers and conditions of the package in question were "utter rot" to! Especially when there is so many players on their playing list acquired from the top shelf at 'The Laurel'. It could possibly have the potential to cause some level of animosity amongst the playing group even before preseason has kicked off.

'YOU GET WHAT YOU PLAN FOR'

'INTERESTING TIMES AHEAD FOR SOME CLUBS'

Regardless what the package is, he will be a great acquisition for the club.

 

[Outside the sq]

Regardless what the package is, he will be a great acquisition for the club.

keff back full season at abers? Could be/ should be , best player in comp! Is he sound?
Matt Grossman good pick up at A.H. Although EDFL "grounds" a bit different to O&M and VFL.
Not 50K available to get "x" back?

 

[1 eye on the prize]

keff back full season at abers? Could be/ should be , best player in comp! Is he sound?
Matt Grossman good pick up at A.H. Although EDFL "grounds" a bit different to O&M and VFL.
Not 50K available to get "x" back?

"X" resigned at wfnc. 200 involved I.e $200 a game that is. Or so I hear

 

[1 eye on the prize]

"X" resigned at wfnc. 200 involved I.e $200 a game that is. Or so I hear

One would think $100 to $200 a game should be par.
Figures bandied about on this forum are a joke? aren't they?
Noted that senior field umps are on about $100 plus a game. And all clubs I know of , absolutely hate parting with money for officials.
Also note less banter on minor league forums about pay , maybe the penny has started to fall finally.
Also noted clubs that have new committee come in and find club much,much worse off than thought.
Would be interesting to know what 3rd and 4th tier soccer players get. Given the top ( Cahill etc) get 10 or more times G.Ablett etc , do suburban soccer players get 10 times Browne,Carusso etc? Do they play for club and community?
The Elephant will have to be addressed at some stage.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

One would think $100 to $200 a game should be par.
Figures bandied about on this forum are a joke? aren't they?
Noted that senior field umps are on about $100 plus a game. And all clubs I know of , absolutely hate parting with money for officials.
Also note less banter on minor league forums about pay , maybe the penny has started to fall finally.
Also noted clubs that have new committee come in and find club much,much worse off than thought.
Would be interesting to know what 3rd and 4th tier soccer players get. Given the top ( Cahill etc) get 10 or more times G.Ablett etc , do suburban soccer players get 10 times Browne,Carusso etc? Do they play for club and community?
The Elephant will have to be addressed at some stage.

4th tier in England is League 2 is a professional, so I would say that they would earn considerably more than the top EDFL players.

 

[1 eye on the prize]

4th tier in England is League 2 is a professional, so I would say that they would earn considerably more than the top EDFL players.

I would mean 3rd and 4th tier here in Melbourne? Suburban soccer here.

 

[Outbackhack37]

One would think $100 to $200 a game should be par.
Figures bandied about on this forum are a joke? aren't they?
Noted that senior field umps are on about $100 plus a game. And all clubs I know of , absolutely hate parting with money for officials.
Also note less banter on minor league forums about pay , maybe the penny has started to fall finally.
Also noted clubs that have new committee come in and find club much,much worse off than thought.
Would be interesting to know what 3rd and 4th tier soccer players get. Given the top ( Cahill etc) get 10 or more times G.Ablett etc , do suburban soccer players get 10 times Browne,Carusso etc? Do they play for club and community?
The Elephant will have to be addressed at some stage.

Fair point about new committees coming in to take over the administration of a club and finding a financial mess. When premier division clubs are spending such large sums of money surely they need to be administered by people who are accountable to the shareholders of a club in this case the members. Unfortunately ego's play such a large part in decision making whether it's player recruitment or just simple decisions in the operation of a club. After reading numerous posts from Shadow Master I agree with his philosphy of getting the administration and football department management and structure right and working collectively then success will ultimately follow. I heard from a reasonable source that a Div 2 club who have played premier during their journey and now find themselves back in Div 2 have appointed a full time operations manager. And full time I mean a paid salary 12 months of the year..... Now if it takes a Div 2 club with a limited budget and a low resource base has put a person in this position then I say well done to the management team of that club to have the balls to make such an appointment. Let's see how that club fairs over the coming years as they build towards moving up the ladder.
It's a passionate game gotta love it. Enjoy your weekends punters

 

[front and square]

Fair point about new committees coming in to take over the administration of a club and finding a financial mess. When premier division clubs are spending such large sums of money surely they need to be administered by people who are accountable to the shareholders of a club in this case the members. Unfortunately ego's play such a large part in decision making whether it's player recruitment or just simple decisions in the operation of a club. After reading numerous posts from Shadow Master I agree with his philosphy of getting the administration and football department management and structure right and working collectively then success will ultimately follow. I heard from a reasonable source that a Div 2 club who have played premier during their journey and now find themselves back in Div 2 have appointed a full time operations manager. And full time I mean a paid salary 12 months of the year..... Now if it takes a Div 2 club with a limited budget and a low resource base has put a person in this position then I say well done to the management team of that club to have the balls to make such an appointment. Let's see how that club fairs over the coming years as they build towards moving up the ladder.
It's a passionate game gotta love it. Enjoy your weekends punters

 

[front and square]

Appointing paid Club administrators is really the way things are going. Eastern League have a few clubs operating like this. Great initiative by the club and they should be commended. Which club Outback, Moonee Valley or Keilor Park?

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Considering the budgets of most EDFL sides, the facilities these clubs provide to there supporters, players and opposition players are really quite ordinary compared to most of the county leagues. Perhaps if funds were directed into this rather than match payments it would attract more juniors and supporters to the club... In saying that Abers would be one of the worst, yet they have the biggest junior set up and loyal supporters.

 

[Outbackhack37]

Appointing paid Club administrators is really the way things are going. Eastern League have a few clubs operating like this. Great initiative by the club and they should be commended. Which club Outback, Moonee Valley or Keilor Park?

KP from what I have heard mate

 

[Outbackhack37]

Considering the budgets of most EDFL sides, the facilities these clubs provide to there supporters, players and opposition players are really quite ordinary compared to most of the county leagues. Perhaps if funds were directed into this rather than match payments it would attract more juniors and supporters to the club... In saying that Abers would be one of the worst, yet they have the biggest junior set up and loyal supporters.

Completely concur with those thoughts on facilities can't say I have been in Abers rooms but certainly AFL clubs have gone that way with the facilities they now train in. Clearly clubs can't go to that extreme however I'm sure all clubs would be appreciative of some council funds to upgrade facilities. I have been to the Burnside facility and that is the probably the future in new and expanding suburbs. Problem for established clubs like Abers they Probably don't have a lot of space around them to greatly expand their facilities if they have cricket and other sports within their clubs. When employing people in business if you provide good working facilities, culture, security and provide a financial package that suits the person and the employer then why don't football organisations adopt a similar mantra? Oh that's right ego probably wins out over common sense and good business practice beware of the demon dollar

 

[milkman99]

Completely concur with those thoughts on facilities can't say I have been in Abers rooms but certainly AFL clubs have gone that way with the facilities they now train in. Clearly clubs can't go to that extreme however I'm sure all clubs would be appreciative of some council funds to upgrade facilities. I have been to the Burnside facility and that is the probably the future in new and expanding suburbs. Problem for established clubs like Abers they Probably don't have a lot of space around them to greatly expand their facilities if they have cricket and other sports within their clubs. When employing people in business if you provide good working facilities, culture, security and provide a financial package that suits the person and the employer then why don't football organisations adopt a similar mantra? Oh that's right ego probably wins out over common sense and good business practice beware of the demon dollar

At the end of day it's all about the $$$$$ l don't think to many players choose facilities over $$$$$ when it comes to choosing who they play for

 

[Lethal Lee]

Not only him there is also a few more ex afl going there

I wouldn't be so confident it is Abers, Brock is very good friends in fact best friends with two certain other EDFL players one at Strathmore and APW. Was seen catching up with some key club guys and they weren't Aberfeldie people. I would watch this space.

 

[Lethal Lee]

I prey they have recruited apw ruckman. He is a big and soft dud.

Wash top 3 Ruckman in the EDFL comp, however with his injuries, we have probably seen his best footy behind him, big get for AH, if true.

 

[Two Planks]

Wash top 3 Ruckman in the EDFL comp, however with his injuries, we have probably seen his best footy behind him, big get for AH, if true.

You must be watching another bloke. He looks like a really nice guy but lacks a bit of mongrel that you need from the biggest player in your team. Just cant compete and is an absolute dinosaur around the ground and gets caught so many times.

 

[Two Planks]

[="Lethal Lee, post: 36109527, member: 118001"]Wash top 3 Ruckman in the EDFL comp, however with his injuries, we have probably seen his best footy behind him, big get for AH, if true.[/QUOTE]

Blake
Browne
Walsh...... you must be joking

 

[Shadow Master]

Fair point about new committees coming in to take over the administration of a club and finding a financial mess. When premier division clubs are spending such large sums of money surely they need to be administered by people who are accountable to the shareholders of a club in this case the members. Unfortunately ego's play such a large part in decision making whether it's player recruitment or just simple decisions in the operation of a club. After reading numerous posts from Shadow Master I agree with his philosphy of getting the administration and football department management and structure right and working collectively then success will ultimately follow. I heard from a reasonable source that a Div 2 club who have played premier during their journey and now find themselves back in Div 2 have appointed a full time operations manager. And full time I mean a paid salary 12 months of the year..... Now if it takes a Div 2 club with a limited budget and a low resource base has put a person in this position then I say well done to the management team of that club to have the balls to make such an appointment. Let's see how that club fairs over the coming years as they build towards moving up the ladder.
It's a passionate game gotta love it. Enjoy your weekends punters

You are right there 'Outbackhack37', many administrations of sporting clubs fail to put in place quality CLUB structures that not only plan for the now, but also plan for the future ahead. They are commonly short sighted as they strive for short term success, any good administration should be managing the CLUBS future not only in a coordinated manner but a sustainable manner as well, for all members to enjoy many years of success.

Administrations, whether they be paid staff or volunteers are responsible for a magnitude of tasks as well as the many important decisions to be made when creating the CLUB structure, a task not to be taken lightly, I would imagine creating a warm and welcoming environment whilst focusing on marketing and promoting their club along with sponsorship, external revenue and fundraising would be most beneficial in both retaining and recruiting players and members.

In most cases where large amounts of money are being spent on outgoing player payments, unfortunately the inadequacies or limitations of the current administration and club employees goes unnoticed, hence the reason why the inadequacies become an issue once the existing administrations reign is over and a new administration is voted in.

'YOU GET WHAT YOU PLAN FOR'

'INTERESTING TIMES AHEAD FOR SOME CLUBS'