Recruiting EFC Trade/Draft Talk II with F/A rules in OP - Billings for a fourth rounder the latest rumour

[lenny2013]

Grimley - Membrey - Garlett should all be targets for us They would help fill some gaps on our list. Lowden Maybe but I think I would rather Grimley. Garlett is worth another chance especially with our fast game play and big fellas up forward. Membrey could be our new Crameri along with ambrose gives us 2 targets that can push up around the wings for targets coming out of defense. Daniher plays as the second ruck and carlile inside 50 with garlett could be very very handy.

Agree all good targets but our problem is that our only picks as it stands are Pick 19 & 50.

Pick 19 will be used in the ND which only leaves us pick 50 to deal with.

 

[Duckworth]

So what would moore be worth to another club do you think?

You've got to understand the frustration of essendon supporters when your coach pretty much comes out and says he wants ryder and gorringe but players are off the table and he values having draft picks highly.

I just take it that Port are not that serious. They are just wasting our time, by overing pick 16 (18) on it's own. We rightly laughed at them, when they came up with that. Which has prompted the Hinkley, but, but, but pick 16 could be good, it could land you a Josh Kennedy from WC They must be on some seriously good shit over there in Adelaide.

 

[Benno30]

Agree all good targets but our problem is that our only picks as it stands are Pick 19 & 50.

Pick 19 will be used in the ND which only leaves us pick 50 to deal with.

I guess it depends on what we can get for the likes of howlett and hardingham. I wouldn't expect membrey and grimley to cost too much as they are a fair way down the pecking order in their positions at current clubs. And carlton would almost give us a draft pick just to take garlett off their hands.

So those 3 should not cost too much. Its not like we are asking for their first or second options in each position.

If you know what I mean Steinberg may also get us a pick probably not a great one though

We do need to get a little creative though. we have been crappy at trade table for a long time and we are apparently difficult to deal with.

Time to make things happen and like I said you would not have to give to much for those players mentioned.

 

[yodellinhank]

Duckworth I take it that port are going to screw us over and get away with it. The AFL and their communication specialists will pressure us into accepting unders.

Somehow a former pick #5 with years of development entering his prime and still in contract is barely worth a first rounder.

Every stage managed sports entertainment needs an anti hero and we're it.

 

[Duckworth]

Duckworth I take it that port are going to screw us over and get away with it. The AFL and their communication specialists will pressure us into accepting unders.

Somehow a former pick #5 with years of development entering his prime and still in contract is barely worth a first rounder.

Every stage managed sports entertainment needs an anti hero and we're it.

If 'fairness' was being observed, the AFL should reject that deal based on the obvious unequal weighting of this trade. Pick 16 (18) is a ****ing joke!

 

[yodellinhank]

I guess it depends on what we can get for the likes of howlett and hardingham. I wouldn't expect membrey and grimley to cost too much as they are a fair way down the pecking order in their positions at current clubs. And carlton would almost give us a draft pick just to take garlett off their hands.

So those 3 should not cost too much. Its not like we are asking for their first or second options in each position.

If you know what I mean Steinberg may also get us a pick probably not a great one though

We do need to get a little creative though. we have been crappy at trade table for a long time and we are apparently difficult to deal with.

Time to make things happen and like I said you would not have to give to much for those players mentioned.

Difficult to deal with, so say port who got monfries and pick 20odd for pick 40odd. It's the biggest load of B.S. going around.

There's probably a way to work membrey into the ryder deal if port are serious about being fair.

 

[Keystone agony]

Well if you accept the views of those that have seen him play he's basically a replacement for Fletcher (with the ability to defend smalls and talls) so I don't see how #35 with no idea who will be available could be more valuable.

Its hard to guage which way Oshea will go.

I think he could come across as an overrates hack. Great athlete, football ability i question.

His kicking, decision making and one on one can really be questioned at times.

I think id almost take 35 but its not far off his worth.

 

[rines]

AFL have to end/adjust the concept of 'compensation' for free agents. Pick 26 for Higgins? Really...?

Possibly pick 3 for Frawley.???

Perhaps you only get compensation if the player is considered in your Top 5 players, based on that years B+F count. And it is always an end of Round 1 compo in that case.

Dogs would be laughing (not because they want to lose Higgins) but no way they would have got 26 on the 'open' market..

 

[Keystone agony]

AFL have to end/adjust the concept of 'compensation' for free agents. Pick 26 for Higgins? Really...?

Possibly pick 3 for Frawley.???

Perhaps you only get compensation if the player is considered in your Top 5 players, based on that years B+F count. And it is always an end of Round 1 compo in that case.

Dogs would be laughing (not because they want to lose Higgins) but no way they would have got 26 on the 'open' market..

Yeh but i like that possible equalisition. The lower teams (Dogs and dees) lose best 22 players to top 4 teams but get over compensated.

Whereas if top 4 teams for some reason lose best 22 players they get a higher compensation. Higgins probably would've been 35-40 on the open market?

Basically if your a top 6 team losing a player your getting compensated unders, if your middle tier 6 your getting correct compensation. If your bottom 6 your getting over compensated and that IMO is how it should be.

 

[rines]

Upon contemplation I think I would structure FA compo as:
FA who has won 2 or more club B+F's in the last five seasons: #1 National Draft Pick
FA who has just won their clubs B+F = Pick #4 in the National draft
FA who places in the top 5 of the B+F, or who has won a B+F in the last two seasons = Pick #19 in the National Draft
FA who places 5-10 in the B+F = #25 in the National Draft
FA who has been in the top 10 of their B+F count in 4 or more seasons = #30 in the National Draft
FA who has been in the top 15 of the B+F in each of the last three seasons = #36 in the National Draft
Everyone else = Nothing

I understand it will never be fair, but at least this way it isn't based on money.. it is based on actual football performance. It is clear, transparent and at least everyone knows what is happening.

It would also encourage clubs to trade 'mid range' players rather than letting them go FA and get a higher compo pick than they are worth.

 

[rines]

Yeh but i like that possible equalisition. The lower teams (Dogs and dees) lose best 22 players to top 4 teams but get over compensated.

Whereas if top 4 teams for some reason lose best 22 players they get a higher compensation. Higgins probably would've been 35-40 on the open market?

Basically if your a top 6 team losing a player your getting compensated unders, if your middle tier 6 your getting correct compensation. If your bottom 6 your getting over compensated and that IMO is how it should be.

But it was a system designed to encourage movement and trades as well.. now the Dogs will be loathe to pick up a Free Agent.. as they will lose their ridiculously over valued compo pick for Higgins...

 

[Keystone agony]

But it was a system designed to encourage movement and trades as well.. now the Dogs will be loathe to pick up a Free Agent.. as they will lose their ridiculously over valued compo pick for Higgins...

I think its succeeding in both and players will only get more accustomed to the concept as will clubs.

 

[rines]

So Collingwood look set to lost their 3rd and 4th best footballers (as judged this year)... after losing a top 5 and a top 10 player last year..

There certainly has been one exodus.. but it ain't at EFC

 

[Big Fresh]

So Collingwood look set to lost their 3rd and 4th best footballers (as judged this year)... after losing a top 5 and a top 10 player last year..

There certainly has been one exodus.. but it ain't at EFC

Let's be real, though. Lumumba is nowhere near their fourth best player.

 

[Mercuri Rising]

From the Vic combine:

Tagliabue: 12.8 beep test, 3.11s 20m sprint
Coghlan: 14.8 beep test, 3.10s 20m sprint

Kyle Martin also won the Pies' VFL B&F. Surely gets upgraded for next year, especially with Beams gone.

 

[Benno30]

Difficult to deal with, so say port who got monfries and pick 20odd for pick 40odd. It's the biggest load of B.S. going around.

There's probably a way to work membrey into the ryder deal if port are serious about being fair.

I am just going by reports for quite a long time now that we are ordinary to deal with at the trade table....
Trading monfries gave us a pick better than what we had. So it was of benefit to both sides to trade instead of him going via free agency.

 

[Giant Pete]

How is shaun Edwards developing?

 

[eth-dog]

How is shaun Edwards developing?

I love him. Easily one of the most talented players on our list. When he gets it all together, look out.

 

[Fear Boner]

Upon contemplation I think I would structure FA compo as:
FA who has won 2 or more club B+F's in the last five seasons: #1 National Draft Pick
FA who has just won their clubs B+F = Pick #4 in the National draft
FA who places in the top 5 of the B+F, or who has won a B+F in the last two seasons = Pick #19 in the National Draft
FA who places 5-10 in the B+F = #25 in the National Draft
FA who has been in the top 10 of their B+F count in 4 or more seasons = #30 in the National Draft
FA who has been in the top 15 of the B+F in each of the last three seasons = #36 in the National Draft
Everyone else = Nothing

I understand it will never be fair, but at least this way it isn't based on money.. it is based on actual football performance. It is clear, transparent and at least everyone knows what is happening.

It would also encourage clubs to trade 'mid range' players rather than letting them go FA and get a higher compo pick than they are worth.

 

[BomberFan355]

Kyle Martin also won the Pies' VFL B&F. Surely gets upgraded for next year, especially with Beams gone.

Has apparently quit AFL.

 

[Ashton Agar]

Has apparently quit AFL.

Yep going back to Noble Park.

 

[CBombers17]

Duckworth I take it that port are going to screw us over and get away with it. The AFL and their communication specialists will pressure us into accepting unders.

Somehow a former pick #5 with years of development entering his prime and still in contract is barely worth a first rounder.

Every stage managed sports entertainment needs an anti hero and we're it.

Not sure he was taken pick 5 (not sure he wasn't either).but we took him as an underage as well. Would have gone 1 or 2 the following year I reckon. Now he's not worth that as a proven performer with no real ceiling still. Lol.

 

[Maddaniher]

No thank god.

Let's hope sanity prevails. End of Round 1 pick would be barely acceptable.

If they get Pick 3.. you know that it was a 'priority pick in disguise'..

Let's hope they get a second rounder rather than end of round 1 or that will see our compo pick possibly slide a spot..

 

[Big Fresh]

Let's hope they get a second rounder rather than end of round 1 or that will see our compo pick possibly slide a spot..

Our end of first rounder comes before any other compensation picks.

 

[Maddaniher]

Our end of first rounder comes before any other compensation picks.

I hope your right, that's good to hear, any link?