Recruiting EFC Trade/Draft Talk II with F/A rules in OP - Billings for a fourth rounder the latest rumour

[Howard Moon]

It is so unbelievably amusing when people start those "so who won the draft? threads straight after the draft has completed.

There is absolutely no way to know right now. Indeed, you can't be sure after one year, nor quite arguably two.

clearly we did....

 

[Kakkle]

Despite our draft sanctions we have done very very well. As well as you possibly could and it was imperative that we did.

 

[Old Campaigner]

It is so unbelievably amusing when people start those "so who won the draft? threads straight after the draft has completed.

There is absolutely no way to know right now. Indeed, you can't be sure after one year, nor quite arguably two.

At least we know who lost the draft...

 

[Doss]

At least we know who lost the draft...

Heh. Yes, it's been a harrowing couple of months for Souf.

 

[Loonerty]

Of all the years to have two picks inside the top 20, I think this year was one of the best.

 

[eth-dog]

So in essence our off-season will be (playing wise):

Out: Jetta; In: Cooney (win)
Out: Dell'Olio; In: Long (50/50)
Out: Ryder; In: Giles (loss)
Out: van Unen; In: Gwilt (win)
Out: Hardingham; In: Langford (50/50)
Out: Gregory; In: Laverde (50/50)
Out: Rayner; In: McKenna (50/50)
Out: Thurlow; In: Milham (win)

 

[Old Campaigner]

Do we know its Milham yet?

 

[Snake Charmer]

So in essence our off-season will be (playing wise):

Out: Jetta; In: Cooney (win)
Out: Dell'Olio; In: Long (50/50)
Out: Ryder; In: Giles (loss)
Out: van Unen; In: Gwilt (win)
Out: Hardingham; In: Langford (50/50)
Out: Gregory; In: Laverde (50/50)
Out: Rayner; In: McKenna (50/50)
Out: Thurlow; In: Milham (win)

I know ur hate for Thurlow. But how can you honestly say Milham( not even on the list) is a win if Laverde over Gregory is a 50/50?? Honestly? I'm shocked that this post lol. Gregory never looked like getting a game. Laverde will probably play close to 10 next year

 

[eth-dog]

I know ur hate for Thurlow. But how can you honestly say Milham( not even on the list) is a win if Laverde over Gregory is a 50/50?? Honestly? I'm shocked that this post lol. Gregory never looked like getting a game. Laverde will probably play close to 10 next year

50/50 as neither have played a game. We don't know yet if Laverde will make it. I love that we got him, but we don't know yet.

Milham can't possibly be worse than Thurlow. But yes, that one was a bit tongue in cheek.

 

[Blind Turn]

50/50 as neither have played a game. We don't know yet if Laverde will make it. I love that we got him, but we don't know yet.

Milham can't possibly be worse than Thurlow. But yes, that one was a bit tongue in cheek.

Christian Bock or Thurlow... for your life...?

 

[Yoda_]

If what Dodo said about picking Langford and Laverde in the order we did just to stuff with Carlton's plans, then...that is all shapes and forms of hilarious.

Now let's just hope they're handy players, too.

And Carlton picked Boekwhost.. to, ya know, make sure we didn't pick him up

 

[BrunoV]

I get that it's Carlton but I am not reading any sensible criticism of Boekhorst.

So the 20 player phantom drafts people have been reading didn't feature him and all of the sudden he is a no name hack?

If I was looking at it objectively I'd say that Carlton have gone for the player who can provide them with an immediate impact at senior level to add much needed run and skill to their midfield. They may well have traded off the higher ceiling (Laverde) for more of a guarantee in terms of the immediate and ultimate returns.

It is consistent with their trade period which has been largely about undoing the damage of a recruiting and list management department that has only recently joined the professional era by bringing in 10 year players who are at an age where they are read to make immediate and meaningful contributions on field.

They are in a strange position. They made a significant loss this year, they're struggling to connect with members and their characteristic impatience has them ready to implode at any minute. Top it off with a list that needs a shit load of work and a best 22 that was a long way off the pace (without a heap of youth to come in) and they've got to pull off a Houdini to regenerate a list and best 22 without sacrificing the future.

If we assume that Laverde will be a gun/champion we have to at least assume that Boekhorst will be a 200 game player. Given where Carlton is currently at I can see how Boekhorst makes sense even if Laverde ends up a better player.

 

[Seagrave_Holmes]

And Carlton picked Boekwhost.. to, ya know, make sure we didn't pick him up

You spelt his name wrong, its actually BoekWORST.

 

[Drummer_19]

Does that dude actually give them immediate impact tho? Isn't he like 69kgs?

 

[eth-dog]

Christian Bock or Thurlow... for your life...?

Vick, to convince his brother to play for us and then delist.

It's the only way I can split them

 

[Zach Package]

Rookie draft is Wednesday afternoon and despite only having the two (probably only the one actually) picks to work with I reckon we could still nab someone of quality here, given our rating of guys later in the draft seems to be very good of late.

I don't necessarily think we have to go a mature brick shithouse ruck like Tagliabue either, we might, and I wouldn't be unhappy if we did, but i'd be perfectly happy to just get someone tall, ruck or otherwise.

 

[Another Tragic]

Rookie draft is Wednesday afternoon and despite only having the two (probably only the one actually) picks to work with I reckon we could still nab someone of quality here, given our rating of guys later in the draft seems to be very good of late.

I don't necessarily think we have to go a mature brick shithouse ruck like Tagliabue either, we might, and I wouldn't be unhappy if we did, but i'd be perfectly happy to just get someone tall, ruck or otherwise.

It has to be a ruck. You can't go into a season with two genuine rucks on the list surely

 

[eth-dog]

Rookie draft is Wednesday afternoon and despite only having the two (probably only the one actually) picks to work with I reckon we could still nab someone of quality here, given our rating of guys later in the draft seems to be very good of late.

I don't necessarily think we have to go a mature brick shithouse ruck like Tagliabue either, we might, and I wouldn't be unhappy if we did, but i'd be perfectly happy to just get someone tall, ruck or otherwise.

It depends. Do we go for a Keitel or Hammelman who are probably more talented than a ruckman and pray that at least one of Bellchambers and Giles are fit for the season, take a Kovacevic or Milham who will be projects at best, or a break glass in case of emergency type in Tagliabue or Baulderstone?

It has to be a ruck. You can't go into a season with two genuine rucks on the list surely

But let's say that the ruckmen available aren't good "break glass in case of emergency" types and we see a Keitel or Hammelman more likely to succeed as projects. Do you go with Hammelman or the ruckman?

Hammelman at his height could be a good around the ground type.

 

[Ambrosia]

It has to be a ruck. You can't go into a season with two genuine rucks on the list surely

Hirdy didn't seem too stressed about getting a ruck in his interview

 

[Zach Package]

It has to be a ruck. You can't go into a season with two genuine rucks on the list surely

Not necessarily, although i'd definitely say it has to be someone of ruck height, also someone mature enough to play next year without getting ground into a bloody pulp by a Mumford type.

I'd be after one of Paul Hunter, Jack Cripps or Mark Kovacevic.

 

[Yoda_]

I get that it's Carlton but I am not reading any sensible criticism of Boekhorst.

So the 20 player phantom drafts people have been reading didn't feature him and all of the sudden he is a no name hack?

If I was looking at it objectively I'd say that Carlton have gone for the player who can provide them with an immediate impact at senior level to add much needed run and skill to their midfield. They may well have traded off the higher ceiling (Laverde) for more of a guarantee in terms of the immediate and ultimate returns.

It is consistent with their trade period which has been largely about undoing the damage of a recruiting and list management department that has only recently joined the professional era by bringing in 10 year players who are at an age where they are read to make immediate and meaningful contributions on field.

They are in a strange position. They made a significant loss this year, they're struggling to connect with members and their characteristic impatience has them ready to implode at any minute. Top it off with a list that needs a shit load of work and a best 22 that was a long way off the pace (without a heap of youth to come in) and they've got to pull off a Houdini to regenerate a list and best 22 without sacrificing the future.

If we assume that Laverde will be a gun/champion we have to at least assume that Boekhorst will be a 200 game player. Given where Carlton is currently at I can see how Boekhorst makes sense even if Laverde ends up a better player.

hush your words of sense! We all laughing at Carlton right now. Allow us to bask in the glory of Blaine ******* Boekhurst picked ahead of Jayden Laverde

 

[Kakkle]

BrunoV makes to much sense to be posting on here. Seriously. I can't really recall a time I've disagreed with him.

 

[Seagrave_Holmes]

really disappointed we missed out on this guy.

 

[Kakkle]

Next year from a list management perspective is going to be interesting. I can up to 10 changes being made.


Fletcher, Winderlich & Chapman will all be gone. That's 3 spots you know that will be clear.

The following guys are playing for a spot in the best 22 and are all out of contract at years end, who out of the 11 do you guys think will be delisted/traded IF they don't cement a spot in the best 22?

Aylett (23), Browne (23), Dalgleish (22), Gwilt (29), Hams (21), Kavanagh (22), Melksham (24), J. Merrett (22), O'Brien (22), Pears (25), Steinberg (23)

 

[Boundary Boy]

So in essence our off-season will be (playing wise):

Out: Jetta; In: Cooney (win)
Out: Dell'Olio; In: Long (50/50)
Out: Ryder; In: Giles (loss)
Out: van Unen; In: Gwilt (win)
Out: Hardingham; In: Langford (50/50)
Out: Gregory; In: Laverde (50/50)
Out: Rayner; In: McKenna (50/50)
Out: Thurlow; In: Milham (win)

If the measure is number of senior games then McKenna will be a win as the club will play the Irishmen as it will have invested so much and he has been given 2 years to prove himself. Unfortunately the club didnt give Rayner a senior opportunity and was afforded only one season. IMHO this will be an unknown loss but we will never know now. worth checking Rayners TAC stats back in 2009 when playing for a poor Western Jets side (ave 24) and compare to the highly touted first rounders this year. The guy can play, went on to achieve elite results in another sport, is smart, mature and yet he gets compared here as a 50/50 prospect to a teenager who has never played the game and has only reached school boy level in his own indigenous game in a country the size of Victoria. With all this in mind some of the other comparisons for Hardiham & Dell'Olio are also pretty offensive to guys who tried their best for the club.