Emmanuel Macron, President of the French Republic

[Happy Mastenator]

Is that it?
The term 'right of centre' is correct. The definition of far right has been so corrupted that anything to the right of the Greens is now considered 'far right'. I think people are overwhelmingly sick of the term to be honest as it has lost all meaning in the clamour of some to label people as racists.

It wasn't just 'flares and fireworks'. There have been reports of vandalism, monuments being destroyed, graffiti, riots and clashes with police.
It's not a motley crew of 10-20 people sitting around a campfire singing kumbaiya as much as you want to downplay it.

This is simply bullshit.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

But they are, their houses are being bombed and everything ruined. I'm sure it could have been handled better if the US weren't such warmongers but need to keep wars going for the gravy train

If it wasn't Ukraine they'd have found some oil in Nigeria right next to some WMD. It's all fugazzi imo. US love the conflicts then they love them going on forever = $$$

You know what would stop the war? Russia leaving Ukranian territory.

 

[Forward Press]

But they are, their houses are being bombed and everything ruined. I'm sure it could have been handled better if the US weren't such warmongers but need to keep wars going for the gravy train

If it wasn't Ukraine they'd have found some oil in Nigeria right next to some WMD. It's all fugazzi imo. US love the conflicts then they love them going on forever = $$$

It does not surprise me that you're a Russian shill.

 

[burge13]

It does not surprise me that you're a Russian shill.

Zero shill or care for Russia. They are in the wrong

Not wanting any war isn't in the US ideology either though. They love it

 

[Forward Press]

Zero shill or care for Russia. They are in the wrong

Not wanting any war isn't in the US ideology either though. They love it

...then why are you harping on about the US being in the wrong here?

There is no tenable logical position that opposes warmongering (fair) but at the same time rolls over to Russia. Not opposing the Russian invasion of a sovereign nation implies that you are fine with might making right - ie warmongering. This issue ain't getting resolved at the diplomatic level without Ukraine giving up its own territory.

 

[MPMonkeys]

This is simply bullshit.

Fine - then define what 'right' is then.
For something or someone to be labelled 'far right' it means of course that there must be a 'right' otherwise you are not 'far' of anything.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Fine - then define what 'right' is then.
For something or someone to be labelled 'far right' it means of course that there must be a 'right' otherwise you are not 'far' of anything.

Mate, political theory has defined these terms pretty extensviely. It's not simply left, right, centre. Terms in politics have meaning.

Far-right politics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[EagleMan87]

The definition of far right has been so corrupted that anything to the right of the Greens is now considered 'far right'.

Almost nobody thinks that.

I think people are overwhelmingly sick of the term to be honest as it has lost all meaning in the clamour of some to label people as racists.

Same as 'woke', 'lefty', 'SJW', 'bleeding-heart liberal', 'cuck', etc.

 

[Seeds]

Zero shill or care for Russia. They are in the wrong

Not wanting any war isn't in the US ideology either though. They love it

The us dont want war. Its terrible for election chances.

 

[Seeds]

Mate, political theory has defined these terms pretty extensviely. It's not simply left, right, centre. Terms in politics have meaning.

Far-right politics - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lol. Political theory has a lot more complex breakdowns then left, centre and right. They are so simplistic that they arent even good as aggregations any more. There are a lot of similarity between those who we claim to be hard left and those who we claim to be hard right that the term left and right has no actual value anymore.

 

[DickieKnee]

The us dont want war. Its terrible for election chances.

Although US arms companies do. It's terrific for their profits.

 

[Seeds]

Although US arms companies do. It's terrific for their profits.

Yes but thats true of arms companies in any country. Not just the US.

 

[spinynorman]

Lol. Political theory has a lot more complex breakdowns then left, centre and right. They are so simplistic that they arent even good as aggregations any more. There are a lot of similarity between those who we claim to be hard left and those who we claim to be hard right that the term left and right has no actual value anymore.

One wants to raise the minimum wage and invest in public services. One wants mass deportations and the denial of jobs to dual national French citizens. The only similarity is a discontent with the status quo, but conflating the two is nonsense.

 

[spinynorman]

And this is the result of the "they're both the same" line from Macron.

 

[spinynorman]

A rare case of “sometimes good things happen”. The Left get first and Macronists second, relegating the far right to third.



Now this cobbled together left wing alliance needs to hold itself together for 2027.

 

[Borough Blood]

Can someone explain to me why the riots in France from the losers of the election are in any way different to the Jan 6 riots in the US?

Surely Macron should be held accountable because he has not stopped them.

Thanks.

The rioters were Macron supporters? Or Le Pen supporters?

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Looks to be a good day. Le pen can get back in her box

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Interesting times. The system in both France and the UK have stood up and helped reject the far right from gaining power with a minority of voters.

Can the US do the same? Less optimistic given their electoral college means the gop can get smashed in total votes yet still win the White House/senate/house

 

[Gough]

Has anyone done a safety check on Greg Sheridan? He will have spent the past few days writing thousands of words on the inevitability of the rise of Le Pen all for nothing.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Has anyone done a safety check on Greg Sheridan? He will have spent the past few days writing thousands of words on the inevitability of the rise of Le Pen all for nothing.

Live shot of poor old Greg

 

[Seeds]

Could le pens party even not get second?

Great outcome. But how does it change so dramatically from analysts expectations. What are the point of polls anymore?

 

[Seeds]

One wants to raise the minimum wage and invest in public services. One wants mass deportations and the denial of jobs to dual national French citizens. The only similarity is a discontent with the status quo, but conflating the two is nonsense.

Except discontent with the status quo isnt the only similarity now is it.

Both are against properly supporting ukraine against russia, both dont see the value of global trade (while hypocritically complaining about cost of living), both believe race is important to ones identity and rights (the only difference is they disagree about which race), both are skeptical of western medicine particularly vaccines ... i could go on and on here but will stop as its the wrong thread.

great outcome overnight. Glad the left coalition won and not le pen. Would of prefered Macrons central alliance but that wasnt realistic.