Club Focus Essendon 2020 - Caldwell, Hund, Wright, Cox, Perkins, Reid, Eyre, Brand

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What is the biggest priority at Essendon?

  • Key forwards

    Votes: 30 29.7%

  • Key defenders

    Votes: 7 6.9%

  • Big mids

    Votes: 52 51.5%

  • Ruck division

    Votes: 1 1.0%

  • Other

    Votes: 11 10.9%
  • Total voters
    101

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Data from footywire. To check the draft order (updated weekly) see the thread here.
 
stevieg1969 said:
Just noticed the last time Essendon had multiple Top 10 picks they could have chosen Harry McKay and Charlie Curnow (or Josh Dunkley) but instead chose Darcy Parish and Aaron Francis. Ouch!
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lol @ McKay and Curnow, no one rated them above Francis and Parish back than in mocks.

The real thing that messed up Essendon in that draft is the Oliver bolted from the late top ten-midteens all the way up to the pick before us, he was the mid we needed and went from being a reach at where we were to getting selected before our two picks.
 
Westlo said:
lol @ McKay and Curnow, no one rated them above Francis and Parish back than in mocks.

The real thing that messed up Essendon in that draft is the Oliver bolted from the late top ten-midteens all the way up to the pick before us, he was the mid we needed and went from being a reach at where we were to getting selected before our two picks.
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Rubbish. Curnow only slipped as far back as he did due to the DUI.
 

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Brutalitops said:
Rubbish. Curnow only slipped as far back as he did due to the DUI.
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Wrong.

All of the major mock drafts by the leading industry experts had both Parish and Francis going before the Carlton duo.

There was only 1 mock I could find that had McKay in front of either Francis/Parish.

The two Essendon draftees were clearly the most favoured of the 4 guys in question.
 
Oliver, Parish, Francis, Curnow and Weideman were the ones that were in the frame for our picks that year, though Curnow slipped out of the discussion after the DUI. McKay was an outlier at our picks, mostly only spoken of by people who thought we needed a KPF but didn't want Weideman for one reason or another. One or two people here also talked about reaching for Rioli, but only because of his name.

Personally I wanted Curnow and Weideman at the time, but at this stage I don't know if that's better than Parish and Francis. Doesn't help that Francis and Weideman are bigger guys that take longer to develop in the first place, and all three have had their share of injuries over the last five seasons.
 
Off Tap said:
Wrong.

All of the major mock drafts by the leading industry experts had both Parish and Francis going before the Carlton duo.

There was only 1 mock I could find that had McKay in front of either Francis/Parish.

The two Essendon draftees were clearly the most favoured of the 4 guys in question.
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Maybe not on BigFooty, but he fell out of the clubs' thinking and that was reflected in Twomey and Quayle's reporting at the time. Both had him linked to Melbourne and Essendon with their top 10 picks up until then, before he suddenly drops to Carlton's picks in the early-mid teens.

Twomey had Curnow as 8th in the form guide and 14th in the mock draft a few days later (either side of the 20th when the drink driving thing became public):
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Quayle had him linked to Essendon and others with picks 4/5 (which became 5/6), then put him as 13th in her phantom two weeks later:
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He ended up going 12th.
 
eth-dog said:
Really? Let's look at his recent record with first round picks post-Sheedy (who had a massive say in this before):

2016: Andrew McGrath. Pass, probably would have been top 2/3 in the BnF this year if not for his injury.
2015: Darcy Parish, Aaron Francis. Parish is still probably top 10 in his draft so a pass, and the jury is still out on Francis.
2014: Kyle Langford, Jayden Laverde. Langford is absolutely a pass at the pick we took him at, Laverde looks like a fail at this stage.
2012: Joe Daniher. Can't call either way as a father son
2011: Elliott Kavanagh. Could have been Seb Ross. Fail.
2010: Dyson Heppell. Probably top 10 of this draft class. Pass.
2009: Jake Melksham. Pass for the talent available. Talia is better, but we had Hurley, Hooker and Pears all looking good at the time as key defenders.
2008: Michael Hurley. Pass, absolutely no doubt about it.
2007: David Myers. Fail, unfortunately. Was a solid player but Dangerfield was taken a few picks later and is so much better.

So fails on Laverde, Kav and Myers. Passes on McGrath, Parish, Langford, Heppell, Melksham and Hurley. 50/50 on Francis and an asterisk on Joe's father/son. His "blowing of first round picks" are completely overstated, especially considering his two biggest fails came at picks 19 and 20.
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Not saying you're wrong here but, in my opinion, the minimum for a 'PASS' should be that they're best 22 for the club.
 
Personally I think you're looking at the wrong end of the draft trying to find the shortcomings of your list.

You've had very few good players come from picks over 30 and rookies. Draper & Tippenwuddi being the exceptions.

Francis & Parish weren't surprise picks and are good players. Its not unusual that a top 5 pick doesn't become a champion.
 
Hopefully port target Merrett next yr but you can can bet dodo will match and make it painful.
 
robbo1981 said:
Hopefully port target Merrett next yr but you can can bet dodo will match and make it painful.
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He may not we could offer Merrett the same deal as Brad Crouch and the AFL would give give Essendon Pick 2 if they win the spoon next year.
 

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longdonkey said:
He may not we could offer Merrett the same deal as Brad Crouch and the AFL would give give Essendon Pick 2 if they win the spoon next year.
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Hurr hurr Daniher compo.

You realise Daniher is being paid north of $800,000 per year right? Crouch is getting what, $700ish?
 
owen87 said:
Hurr hurr Daniher compo.

You realise Daniher is being paid north of $800,000 per year right? Crouch is getting what, $700ish?
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I wasn't making reference to Daniher what I'm saying is the 2 deals could be exactly the same but the compensation would be different depending on which club it is.
 
longdonkey said:
I wasn't making reference to Daniher what I'm saying is the 2 deals could be exactly the same but the compensation would be different depending on which club it is.
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Yes you are. Daniher is being paid more than Crouch. Enough that it triggered Band 1 compensation.

This isn't the AFL going "**** you Adelaide, have a shit pick"
 
eth-dog said:
Josh Dunkley wasn't on anybody's radar for top 10. Disingenuous at best.
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i love this sort of posting.
Shows zero insights into what that draft was like.
Parish was the consistently best performed mid that year. Oliver was a bolter & we never had the ability to pick him up.
Francis was rated a top 3 talent.

Curnow had just come off being arrested for DUI (also note that Curnow's run of injuries probably shouldn't have him in this conversation).
McKay was speculative (Weideman was the safer KPF bet) and is still potential.

Papley is top 5 from this draft and was taken as a rookie.
 
The Bomb said:
Development is Essendons biggest problem, we could take the best 3 players from the draft and have them recovering from major injuries for their career or turn them into soft spuds. Total rebuild is required, with players who are committed.
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and there it is.

One would hope with the next crop and our 2016 class (mostly) coming good this year the tide might turn.

Langford, Parish, McGrath, Draper, Ridley all had good years this year.
Redman & Francis were down on expected outputs.

We need Merrett committed and to build around this crop plus what we start to bring in.
Dunkley would have been a great in to help lead that too.
 
owen87 said:
Yes you are. Daniher is being paid more than Crouch. Enough that it triggered Band 1 compensation.

This isn't the AFL going "fu** you Adelaide, have a sh*t pick"
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That's exactly what it is - It is the AFL after being tipped off by some clubs saying you are manipulating this deal to get Pick 2 we're not going to give it to you. Same thing happened with Rockliff and they gave the excuse age. Daniher is one month younger than the Pig when he moved to Port and no age problem. And seriously $800k he's not worth that so you've done a dodgy deal just like the Cows tried to - you just got away with it. That's what I'm getting at.
 
Westlo said:
Which were factored into the mocks at the time.... Oliver bolted, Curnow slipped in the lead up to the draft.
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Curnow was line ball with Parish & Milera prior to the DUI.
I still wish we'd taken him, but Parish is at least proving durable...which we need. We just keep recruiting similar position players to him.

Francis was always going top 5. Was a matter of whether Melbourne took him or Oliver.
 
robbo1981 said:
Hopefully port target Merrett next yr but you can can bet dodo will match and make it painful.
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as he should. though if we finish bottom 5, we may just take the quality pick

Still hoping Merrett commits (and soon).
Can't afford to lose him. Dunkley + Merrett would have been a nice leadership pairing moving forward.
 
longdonkey said:
That's exactly what it is - It is the AFL after being tipped off by some clubs saying you are manipulating this deal to get Pick 2 we're not going to give it to you. Same thing happened with Rockliff and they gave the excuse age. Daniher is one month younger than the Pig when he moved to Port and no age problem. And seriously $800k he's not worth that so you've done a dodgy deal just like the Cows tried to - you just got away with it. That's what I'm getting at.
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How was it a dodgy deal?

Brisbane reportedly offered him a 4 year deal initially, they then mysteriously offered a 3 year deal instead when it came to the Free Agency period opening, for the same total money as the 4 year one was reported to be.

That pushed the deal from Band 2 to Band 1 compo, so Essendon didn't match.

The Saints offered a deal to Crouch that was lower than Adelaide expected, and for all the reported salary dump shenanigans, none of it actually occurred.

There's no conspiracy here, it's simply that Brisbane came to the party by shortening the Daniher deal to push up the yearly average, whilst St Kilda didn't.

Hawthorn did the same thing with Vickery a few years ago.

Daniher is worth whatever Brisbane are willing to pay, not what you personally think he might be worth.
 
owen87 said:
How was it a dodgy deal?

Brisbane reportedly offered him a 4 year deal initially, they then mysteriously offered a 3 year deal instead when it came to the Free Agency period opening, for the same total money as the 4 year one was reported to be.

That pushed the deal from Band 2 to Band 1 compo, so Essendon didn't match.

The Saints offered a deal to Crouch that was lower than Adelaide expected, and for all the reported salary dump shenanigans, none of it actually occurred.

There's no conspiracy here, it's simply that Brisbane came to the party by shortening the Daniher deal to push up the yearly average, whilst St Kilda didn't.

Hawthorn did the same thing with Vickery a few years ago.

Daniher is worth whatever Brisbane are willing to pay, not what you personally think he might be worth.
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So you are going to sit here and say that Essendon didn't say to Brisbane that we won't match your bid if you pay him an amount that will get you Band 1 comp and Brisbane then changed their deal. Adelaide ask exactly the same thing of St Kilda and they go about it in a different way and get pulled up. The Saints only lowered the deal once they were told the Crows wouldn't get Pick 2 even if they did the salary dump. 2 different rules for different clubs.
 
longdonkey said:
Adelaide ask exactly the same thing of St Kilda and they go about it in a different way and get pulled up. The Saints only lowered the deal once they were told the Crows wouldn't get Pick 2 even if they did the salary dump. 2 different rules for different clubs.
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Any source for any of this, or is this just the vicco bias vibe?

Brisbane didn't have to change their offer to Daniher, but they ran the risk that Essendon matched forcing a trade and making it messy.

Saints from all reports basically said this is what we're offering, you can keep Crouch if you match it.
 

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