Roast Essendon in no mans land

[Red Black and Blue]

Hey lads, why recruit anyone at all? There is a high chance whoever you are trying to recruit isn't literally the difference between flag and no flag, so why even bother? I mean, this is simply flawless reasoning.

Caldwell and Durham are literally the same defensive mid role with similar production but younger. One of them gets forced out and we need the same amount of roles filled. We need Wilmot, Lohmann, Cameron, Daniher, Andrews, McCluggage, Bailey, Starcevich, Rayner most of whom we could have selected or actually had. Its strange to focus on the one that would do the least to improve our system.

 

[JayJ20]

Do you know how idiotic this question is?

It's not idiotic. We're here to win a premiership. If we're going to give away two first rounders which is what Bulldogs demanded, we better have the rest of the list sorted. We don't have a good forwardline nor a good backline. There are so many stuff ups to highlight but this is not one of them.

 

[HomerJV]

Caldwell and Durham are literally the same defensive mid role with similar production but younger. One of them gets forced out and we need the same amount of roles filled. We need Wilmot, Lohmann, Cameron, Daniher, Andrews, McCluggage, Bailey, Starcevich, Rayner most of whom we could have selected or actually had. Its strange to focus on the one that would do the least to improve our system.

Ah yes, younger. Youth is what really matters here. Gotta stock up on that youth. Bringing in culture-setting players like Dunkley? Nah not young enough.

You are quite literally deluded if you don't think a player like Dunkley would add significant value to the club. Nevermind his footballing ability or the role he plays, he is the type of player who sets standards and makes the bid defensive plays. Your coach would laugh in your face if you attempted to claim Dunkley wouldn't add much to the club.

 

[Jackie_Moon]

To get Dunkley
Ess picks two top 10's

Bris picks 21, future first and second, so something like 20 and 40.
Love him but no- one does that Ess deal

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Ah yes, younger. Youth is what really matters here. Gotta stock up on that youth. Bringing in culture-setting players like Dunkley? Nah not young enough.

You are quite literally deluded if you don't think a player like Dunkley would add significant value to the club. Nevermind his footballing ability or the role he plays, he is the type of player who sets standards and makes the bid defensive plays. Your coach would laugh in your face if you attempted to claim Dunkley wouldn't add much to the club.

So the bloke who was a leader in the one of the worst cultures in comp and left instead of changing it is a cultural force... right. Amazing logic. If he could fix a broken culture he would have instead of wage/glory hunt.

 

[windyhill]

In the last 58 years: 4-1

4x4 =

 

[Red Black and Blue]

You know... I'm now thinking the reason Essendon hasn't won a final for 20 years is precisely because they employ people with your frame of mind in powerful positions.

Yeah, just don't even try to address the "worst culture in the competition". Recruiting someone who might help change that culture clearly must be a waste of time, so lets continue not recruiting players like Dunkley and keep doing what we're doing. Makes sense

The same person who made all those bad list management choices also tried to recruit Dunkley... why is this attempt the panacea and not further poor list management, trading 2 first rounders for a guy who was running away from a poor culture?

 

[Gavin Excell]

You know... I'm now thinking the reason Essendon hasn't won a final for 20 years is precisely because they employ people with your frame of mind in powerful positions.

Yeah, just don't even try to address the "worst culture in the competition". Recruiting someone who might help change that culture clearly must be a waste of time, so lets continue not recruiting players like Dunkley and keep doing what we're doing. Makes sense

Yes but they landed Dylan shiel

 

[HomerJV]

The same person who made all those bad list management choices also tried to recruit Dunkley... why is this attempt the panacea and not further poor list management, trading 2 first rounders for a guy who was running away from a poor culture?

And failed because he was a cheapskate who didn't want to give the Dogs the future first they desired.

All this haggling resulted in you picking up the mighty Ben Hobbs. Your 2020 picks yielded Archie Perkins, Zach Reid and Nik Cox. And you're trying to tell me giving up just two of this lot was better than getting a player like Dunkley?

 

[Gavin Excell]

And failed because he was a cheapskate who didn't want to give the Dogs the future first they desired.

All this haggling resulted in you picking up the mighty Ben Hobbs. Your 2020 picks yielded Archie Perkins, Zach Reid and Nik Cox. And you're trying to tell me giving up just two of this lot was better than getting a player like Dunkley?

That's a dreadful roll call

I can't believe anyone at Essendon can defend Dodoro

 

[Red Black and Blue]

And failed because he was a cheapskate who didn't want to give the Dogs the future first they desired.

All this haggling resulted in you picking up the mighty Ben Hobbs. Your 2020 picks yielded Archie Perkins, Zach Reid and Nik Cox. And you're trying to tell me giving up just two of this lot was better than getting a player like Dunkley?

Absolutely not. I was advocating at the time to trade one of those first rounders for collingwoods future first which would have netted us Finn Callaghan and wasnt hot on Hobbs. Could have been Wilmot, Van Rooyen or Lohmann.

I dont have to agree to Dodoros shit decisions as the only reality possible. So the question isnt limited to Reid and Hobbs over Dunkley. But I would certainly take Finn Callaghan and one of the others.

 

[JayJ20]

And failed because he was a cheapskate who didn't want to give the Dogs the future first they desired.

All this haggling resulted in you picking up the mighty Ben Hobbs. Your 2020 picks yielded Archie Perkins, Zach Reid and Nik Cox. And you're trying to tell me giving up just two of this lot was better than getting a player like Dunkley?

The draft misses are valid criticisms. Not missing Dunkley for two top 10 picks after finishing bottom 4 when we probably wouldn't even have won a final with him in the side.

We've been scathing of Essendon's list management for years, but the Dunkley non-trade was good for both Dunkley and Essendon. Dunkley won a premiership and it saved us from deluding ourselves into thinking we were close to a premiership.

 

[windyhill]

Saint fan talking about failure, bagging Essendon, bagging richmond. This club have fluked one flag in its existence.

 

[JayJ20]

The fact that you're still digging your heels on this is hilarious.

Again, every professional in the industry would laugh at you for suggesting getting Dunkley would've been bad for Essendon, because in your words, "he wouldn't have taken us to the flag". This is simply too dumb for words.

So why did GWS recruit guys like Luke Power, Chad Cornes, Dean Brogan and co again? Those guys in their older years certainly weren't going to help newcomers win a flag with their playing output. It's almost like there was more to those recruits than simple on-field output.

How about silly old Richmond? Culture of failure and constantly losing finals for about 35 years. Then they miss the finals in 2016 and they're silly enough to trade pick 6 for injury-prone Dion Prestia into their losing culture. I mean, how dumb was that? Clearly they were deluded in thinking a player like Prestia could help them get on the right track, let alone win a flag.

So our list is comparable to Richmond's now? Can you please point out our prime Rance, Dusty, Cotchin and Reiwoldt? Merrett is the only genuine A-grader on our list. If Petracca was available in 2020 then we'd have been stupid not to give up two top 10 picks (well it would be 3), but Dunkley is not the Petracca/Dusty/Dangerfield type mid that we desperately need.

We had just lost our KPF in Daniher as well as Saad and McKenna which was all of our drive from HB that we still haven't properly replaced.

Put Dunkley in our side today and we'd be nowhere near a premiership and he's already 28 next year.

Again, we've made a ton of mistakes when it comes to our list management but Dunkley is not the one. Even in hindsight.

If Harley Reid became available (who is the powerful goal-kicking mid we need), then we'd give up whatever we need to get it done.

 

[jdstorm]

The fact that you're still digging your heels on this is hilarious.

Again, every professional in the industry would laugh at you for suggesting getting Dunkley would've been bad for Essendon, because in your words, "he wouldn't have taken us to the flag". This is simply too dumb for words.

So why did GWS recruit guys like Luke Power, Chad Cornes, Dean Brogan and co again? Those guys in their older years certainly weren't going to help newcomers win a flag with their playing output. It's almost like there was more to those recruits than simple on-field output.

How about silly old Richmond? Culture of failure and constantly losing finals for about 35 years. Then they miss the finals in 2016 and they're silly enough to trade pick 6 for injury-prone Dion Prestia into their losing culture. I mean, how dumb was that? Clearly they were deluded in thinking a player like Prestia could help them get on the right track, let alone win a flag.

Depends on the team and depends on the player. Trading picks for established players can be very lucrative.

Has to be the right player at the right time at the right price.

not every trade works out. It happens just gotta keep moving forward and not get too hung up on the past

 

[Clark G]

Not sure why this argument keeps coming up. Dunkley is a quality player. But the Bulldogs wanted a lot for him, which was their right as he was contracted. Essendon didn’t overpay to land him, and that was that. The fact that all three players that Essendon took early in the draft following the non trade have stagnated (Cox and Perkins) or been injured a lot (Reid) is more to do with poor selection and a lack of ability to develop players. The club would still be in the mess it currently is, with or without Dunkley.