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Roast Essendon in no mans land
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Caldwell and Durham are literally the same defensive mid role with similar production but younger. One of them gets forced out and we need the same amount of roles filled. We need Wilmot, Lohmann, Cameron, Daniher, Andrews, McCluggage, Bailey, Starcevich, Rayner most of whom we could have selected or actually had. Its strange to focus on the one that would do the least to improve our system.
It's not idiotic. We're here to win a premiership. If we're going to give away two first rounders which is what Bulldogs demanded, we better have the rest of the list sorted. We don't have a good forwardline nor a good backline. There are so many stuff ups to highlight but this is not one of them.
Ah yes, younger. Youth is what really matters here. Gotta stock up on that youth. Bringing in culture-setting players like Dunkley? Nah not young enough.
You are quite literally deluded if you don't think a player like Dunkley would add significant value to the club. Nevermind his footballing ability or the role he plays, he is the type of player who sets standards and makes the bid defensive plays. Your coach would laugh in your face if you attempted to claim Dunkley wouldn't add much to the club.
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To get Dunkley
Ess picks two top 10's
Bris picks 21, future first and second, so something like 20 and 40.
Love him but no- one does that Ess deal
Ess picks two top 10's
Bris picks 21, future first and second, so something like 20 and 40.
Love him but no- one does that Ess deal
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So the bloke who was a leader in the one of the worst cultures in comp and left instead of changing it is a cultural force... right. Amazing logic. If he could fix a broken culture he would have instead of wage/glory hunt.
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You know... I'm now thinking the reason Essendon hasn't won a final for 20 years is precisely because they employ people with your frame of mind in powerful positions.
Yeah, just don't even try to address the "worst culture in the competition". Recruiting someone who might help change that culture clearly must be a waste of time, so lets continue not recruiting players like Dunkley and keep doing what we're doing. Makes sense
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You know... I'm now thinking the reason Essendon hasn't won a final for 20 years is precisely because they employ people with your frame of mind in powerful positions.
Yeah, just don't even try to address the "worst culture in the competition". Recruiting someone who might help change that culture clearly must be a waste of time, so lets continue not recruiting players like Dunkley and keep doing what we're doing. Makes sense
The same person who made all those bad list management choices also tried to recruit Dunkley... why is this attempt the panacea and not further poor list management, trading 2 first rounders for a guy who was running away from a poor culture?
Yes but they landed Dylan shielYou know... I'm now thinking the reason Essendon hasn't won a final for 20 years is precisely because they employ people with your frame of mind in powerful positions.
Yeah, just don't even try to address the "worst culture in the competition". Recruiting someone who might help change that culture clearly must be a waste of time, so lets continue not recruiting players like Dunkley and keep doing what we're doing. Makes sense
And failed because he was a cheapskate who didn't want to give the Dogs the future first they desired.
All this haggling resulted in you picking up the mighty Ben Hobbs. Your 2020 picks yielded Archie Perkins, Zach Reid and Nik Cox. And you're trying to tell me giving up just two of this lot was better than getting a player like Dunkley?
That's a dreadful roll callAnd failed because he was a cheapskate who didn't want to give the Dogs the future first they desired.
All this haggling resulted in you picking up the mighty Ben Hobbs. Your 2020 picks yielded Archie Perkins, Zach Reid and Nik Cox. And you're trying to tell me giving up just two of this lot was better than getting a player like Dunkley?
I can't believe anyone at Essendon can defend Dodoro
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And failed because he was a cheapskate who didn't want to give the Dogs the future first they desired.
All this haggling resulted in you picking up the mighty Ben Hobbs. Your 2020 picks yielded Archie Perkins, Zach Reid and Nik Cox. And you're trying to tell me giving up just two of this lot was better than getting a player like Dunkley?
Absolutely not. I was advocating at the time to trade one of those first rounders for collingwoods future first which would have netted us Finn Callaghan and wasnt hot on Hobbs. Could have been Wilmot, Van Rooyen or Lohmann.
I dont have to agree to Dodoros shit decisions as the only reality possible. So the question isnt limited to Reid and Hobbs over Dunkley. But I would certainly take Finn Callaghan and one of the others.
The draft misses are valid criticisms. Not missing Dunkley for two top 10 picks after finishing bottom 4 when we probably wouldn't even have won a final with him in the side.And failed because he was a cheapskate who didn't want to give the Dogs the future first they desired.
All this haggling resulted in you picking up the mighty Ben Hobbs. Your 2020 picks yielded Archie Perkins, Zach Reid and Nik Cox. And you're trying to tell me giving up just two of this lot was better than getting a player like Dunkley?
We've been scathing of Essendon's list management for years, but the Dunkley non-trade was good for both Dunkley and Essendon. Dunkley won a premiership and it saved us from deluding ourselves into thinking we were close to a premiership.
The fact that you're still digging your heels on this is hilarious.
Again, every professional in the industry would laugh at you for suggesting getting Dunkley would've been bad for Essendon, because in your words, "he wouldn't have taken us to the flag". This is simply too dumb for words.
So why did GWS recruit guys like Luke Power, Chad Cornes, Dean Brogan and co again? Those guys in their older years certainly weren't going to help newcomers win a flag with their playing output. It's almost like there was more to those recruits than simple on-field output.
How about silly old Richmond? Culture of failure and constantly losing finals for about 35 years. Then they miss the finals in 2016 and they're silly enough to trade pick 6 for injury-prone Dion Prestia into their losing culture. I mean, how dumb was that? Clearly they were deluded in thinking a player like Prestia could help them get on the right track, let alone win a flag.
Saint fan talking about failure, bagging Essendon, bagging richmond. This club have fluked one flag in its existence.
So our list is comparable to Richmond's now? Can you please point out our prime Rance, Dusty, Cotchin and Reiwoldt? Merrett is the only genuine A-grader on our list. If Petracca was available in 2020 then we'd have been stupid not to give up two top 10 picks (well it would be 3), but Dunkley is not the Petracca/Dusty/Dangerfield type mid that we desperately need.The fact that you're still digging your heels on this is hilarious.
Again, every professional in the industry would laugh at you for suggesting getting Dunkley would've been bad for Essendon, because in your words, "he wouldn't have taken us to the flag". This is simply too dumb for words.
So why did GWS recruit guys like Luke Power, Chad Cornes, Dean Brogan and co again? Those guys in their older years certainly weren't going to help newcomers win a flag with their playing output. It's almost like there was more to those recruits than simple on-field output.
How about silly old Richmond? Culture of failure and constantly losing finals for about 35 years. Then they miss the finals in 2016 and they're silly enough to trade pick 6 for injury-prone Dion Prestia into their losing culture. I mean, how dumb was that? Clearly they were deluded in thinking a player like Prestia could help them get on the right track, let alone win a flag.
We had just lost our KPF in Daniher as well as Saad and McKenna which was all of our drive from HB that we still haven't properly replaced.
Put Dunkley in our side today and we'd be nowhere near a premiership and he's already 28 next year.
Again, we've made a ton of mistakes when it comes to our list management but Dunkley is not the one. Even in hindsight.
If Harley Reid became available (who is the powerful goal-kicking mid we need), then we'd give up whatever we need to get it done.
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The fact that you're still digging your heels on this is hilarious.
Again, every professional in the industry would laugh at you for suggesting getting Dunkley would've been bad for Essendon, because in your words, "he wouldn't have taken us to the flag". This is simply too dumb for words.
So why did GWS recruit guys like Luke Power, Chad Cornes, Dean Brogan and co again? Those guys in their older years certainly weren't going to help newcomers win a flag with their playing output. It's almost like there was more to those recruits than simple on-field output.
How about silly old Richmond? Culture of failure and constantly losing finals for about 35 years. Then they miss the finals in 2016 and they're silly enough to trade pick 6 for injury-prone Dion Prestia into their losing culture. I mean, how dumb was that? Clearly they were deluded in thinking a player like Prestia could help them get on the right track, let alone win a flag.
Depends on the team and depends on the player. Trading picks for established players can be very lucrative.
Has to be the right player at the right time at the right price.
not every trade works out. It happens just gotta keep moving forward and not get too hung up on the past
You're like an endless stream of nonsense.
Short memory? At the end of 2016 Richmond were getting all the same criticisms as Essendon right now. They were too soft, Cotchin wasn't being a real leader, Dusty too focused on getting touches, too many B-C grade players, no good forwards besides Riewoldt, the list goes on. Richmond fans themselves were frustrated giving up pick 6 for Prestia, only to be proven wrong. Richmond is just one example too, there are endless examples that make a mockery of your logic. Why did Brisbane pay a high price for Charlie Cameron in 2017 after winning the spoon and no finals for 8 years? Why did Melbourne trade for Daniel Cross/Bernie Vince? Why did West Coast trade for Jack Redden? I also notice you've decided not to address the GWS example haha.
So you're using Daniher and Saad as an example in past tense (2020), but Dunkley in future tense (2025)? Even though he wanted the trade back in 2020?
So what's different champ?
Oh, I suppose you'd rather not have a driven, selfless, standard-setting professional saturating the squad. Makes sense
Nah, you just have zero idea about anything. Completely and utterly clueless when it comes to football.
That can't be right mate. Harley Reid isn't the difference between your club missing the finals and winning the flag. He couldn't even prevent West Coast from winning their second wooden spoon in a row. With your incredible logic, Essendon giving up two first rounders of him clearly must not be worth it.
Dunkley is a model professional and a leader who puts in a huge defensive shift for his team, and sets standards both on and off the field.
It doesn't matter what the team is, if you put a guy like Dunkley in, other players get better. He was a big reason Brisbane went from a good side to making two Grand Finals in a row and winning one.
Attempting to peddle the notion that Essendon are now better off with Durham and Caldwell is laughable to say the least.
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Richmond's culture was criticised but those players were already elite players. Our problem is we have a shit culture and not enough talent don't rebuild or draft/trade for a Dusty/Danger/Petracca type that we've lacked since James Hird. We don't have elite players to be capitalising on Dunkley's strengths.You're like an endless stream of nonsense.
Short memory? At the end of 2016 Richmond were getting all the same criticisms as Essendon right now. They were too soft, Cotchin wasn't being a real leader, Dusty too focused on getting touches, too many B-C grade players, no good forwards besides Riewoldt, the list goes on. Richmond fans themselves were frustrated giving up pick 6 for Prestia, only to be proven wrong. Richmond is just one example too, there are endless examples that make a mockery of your logic. Why did Brisbane pay a high price for Charlie Cameron in 2017 after winning the spoon and no finals for 8 years? Why did Melbourne trade for Daniel Cross/Bernie Vince? Why did West Coast trade for Jack Redden? I also notice you've decided not to address the GWS example haha.
So you're using Daniher and Saad as an example in past tense (2020), but Dunkley in future tense (2025)? Even though he wanted the trade back in 2020?
So what's different champ?
Oh, I suppose you'd rather not have a driven, selfless, standard-setting professional saturating the squad. Makes sense
Nah, you just have zero idea about anything. Completely and utterly clueless when it comes to football.
That can't be right mate. Harley Reid isn't the difference between your club missing the finals and winning the flag. He couldn't even prevent West Coast from winning their second wooden spoon in a row. With your incredible logic, Essendon giving up two first rounders of him clearly must not be worth it.
Dunkley is not a rare player or a point of difference. Teams can get a Dunkley type for much less than two top 10 picks. No club would do that deal.
Harley Reid is 19 years of age with plenty of time in his career for us to build a premiership list. He's also one of the best up and coming players in the league as that strong goal-kicking mid we lack.
He'd have been a nice addition for the right price and I like him as a player, but not for two top 10 picks.
Hilarious you're so shallow you think all a player can provide is footballing output on the field.
And this is what really confirms it. Not a point of difference? Before recruiting Dunkley, Brisbane were a team that finished finals, but were often toothless in the big games. After recruiting Dunkley, they have made two Grand Finals in a row, winning one and almost winning another.
Not a point of difference? Lmao.
By all means keep believing in that Dodoro philosophy where a player's value is determined by "talent" alone. Yeah clearly Dunkley is just a dime a dozen inside mid, clearly everyone from the Brisbane faculty is of the mind that he didn't actually have much of an impact on their newfound success
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