Essendon's Talls

[Ambrosia]

Bellchambers is a pretty decent ruck but no way in hell is he worth Hoskin-Elliot and a 2nd rounder. Pick 7-15 is also way too much to expect IMO.

I would say that's exactly what he's worth.

How many ruckman with his hit out ability can rest forward and remain a major threat. I mean your club traded a dud to Collingwood for pick 14.

 

[Wild Bill]

Think you might want to watch Essendon a bit more mate. Bellchambers was Essendon's #1 ruck all the way through to about Round 10 and is second in our goal kicking. He was rested last week as he's had to do a truck load of rucking, played VFL this week, will definitely come back in vs WCE

Rested in a vital game V the Blues? I think it was more to do with his previous 3 weeks with 8, 7 and 8 disposals. He will play V WCE because of Nic Nat and Cox.

He has only been in your best players V Melb when he kicked 4 of his 14 goals. I think it is more a case of you looking at 2013 through rose coloured glasses than me needing to watch more of Essendon.

 

[Smyth94]

Rested in a vital game V the Blues? I think it was more to do with his previous 3 weeks with 8, 7 and 8 disposals. He will play V WCE because of Nic Nat and Cox.

He has only been in your best players V Melb when he kicked 4 of his 14 goals. I think it is more a case of you looking at 2013 through rose coloured glasses than me needing to watch more of Essendon.

No it really isn't.

Stop reading off the stat sheet mate...plenty of rucks can get 8-10 disposals and still have a significant impact on the game.

In any case you mentioned he needs to be playing in the firsts instead of VFL when he has clearly been our #1 ruck for almost all of the season so far, he's played one ressies game, so the fact he didn't play VFL the week before was a clear indicator he was rested.

Stop pretending you have watched Essendon that much this year.

 

[Wild Bill]

No it really isn't.

Stop reading off the stat sheet mate...plenty of rucks can get 8-10 disposals and still have a significant impact on the game.

In any case you mentioned he needs to be playing in the firsts instead of VFL when he has clearly been our #1 ruck for almost all of the season so far, he's played one ressies game, so the fact he didn't play VFL the week before was a clear indicator he was rested.

Stop pretending you have watched Essendon that much this year.

Which other game except the Melbourne game was he good? Your own MVP thread has put him in the top 5 players once and the match day reports also only put him in the best once - Round 2 V Melbourne.

Watching all but 2 games - Saints and GWS - he has not performed at the level he is capable of. If that is not disappointing then you are easily pleased.

 

[larson]

Which other game except the Melbourne game was he good? Your own MVP thread has put him in the top 5 players once and the match day reports also only put him in the best once - Round 2 V Melbourne.

Watching all but 2 games - Saints and GWS - he has not performed at the level he is capable of. If that is not disappointing then you are easily pleased.

Bellchambers has not been disappointing this year, that is just complete rubbish.

 

[Wild Bill]

Bellchambers has not been disappointing this year, that is just complete rubbish.

In the best once and now playing two's? If that was your expectation at the start of the year then of course he has not been disappointing.

Disappointment comes down to individuals expectations.

In the best once and now playing two's? If that was your expectation at the start of the year then of course he has not been disappointing.

I thought at the start of the year was that he would push up into the top 5 ruckmen in the comp. He is nowhere near that at the half way mark so IMO he has been disappointing.

 

[larson]

In the best once and now playing two's? If that was your expectation at the start of the year then of course he has not been disappointing.

Disappointment comes down to individuals expectations.

In the best once and now playing two's? If that was your expectation at the start of the year then of course he has not been disappointing.

I thought at the start of the year was that he would push up into the top 5 ruckmen in the comp. He is nowhere near that at the half way mark so IMO he has been disappointing.

You obviously don't watch Essendon games so please spare us your thoughts.

 

[The Bomb]

In the best once and now playing two's? If that was your expectation at the start of the year then of course he has not been disappointing.

Disappointment comes down to individuals expectations.

In the best once and now playing two's? If that was your expectation at the start of the year then of course he has not been disappointing.

I thought at the start of the year was that he would push up into the top 5 ruckmen in the comp. He is nowhere near that at the half way mark so IMO he has been disappointing.

where did you predict Essendon to finish last season on the ladder?

 

[Wild Bill]

You obviously don't watch Essendon games so please spare us your thoughts.

I have seen enough to agree with your teams MVP board.

Ryder was very good on the weekend and the set up maybe you best - Ryder number 1 ruck with Daniher giving him a chop out. It could be similar to Goldy and McIntosh - you have 2 good ruckman but one plays better without the other playing. Ryder is a much better ruckman than he is KPF.

 

[Shane Mead]

Bellchambers has played well this season, and we should shop him. If we want to keep Hurley, Crameri as well as play Daniher, one of our talls have to go and right now Bellchambers value has peaked. Essendon could get a talented, young midfielder from GWS or Gold Coast for him as well as a draft pick.

Ryder is a better ruckmen when he is the #1 guy and he has that burden, he gives us more around the ground then Bellchambers due to his tap ability, goal sense and agility.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

bombersno1 didn't you know that >insert spud likely to be delisted< + >insert fringe player at best< + 3rd rounder + 4th rounder will net you a gun? Hence all the ridiculous trades suggested

People don't watch enough of Essendon to comment me thinks.

Pretty much, spud + spud= 1st rounder. This is why these ridiculous trades don't work. We don't need players...as it is we are struggling on who to delist this season...and this is a gun draft for midfielders. If we trade TBC we will head to the draf with 2 first rounders, and use them there, however I expect us to hold onto TBC.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

Bellchambers has played well this season, and we should shop him. If we want to keep Hurley, Crameri as well as play Daniher, one of our talls have to go and right now Bellchambers value has peaked. Essendon could get a talented, young midfielder from GWS or Gold Coast for him as well as a draft pick.

Ryder is a better ruckmen when he is the #1 guy and he has that burden, he gives us more around the ground then Bellchambers due to his tap ability, goal sense and agility.

Yeah and if Ryder goes down in round 1 next season...who goes to the ruck...please don't say Daniher, he is not ready for that yet. This is just ridiculous. We can still trade TBC in 3 years if we need to. Unless we are getting an elite midfielder and I mean ELITE, we shouldn't even contemplate this.

 

[Shane Mead]

Yeah and if Ryder goes down in round 1 next season...who goes to the ruck...please don't say Daniher, he is not ready for that yet. This is just ridiculous. We can still trade TBC in 3 years if we need to. Unless we are getting an elite midfielder and I mean ELITE, we shouldn't even contemplate this.

SO you are going to pay Bellchambers his market value to be injury insurance? LMAO

We cannot play Hurley, Crameri, Fletcher, Daniher, Ryder, Bellchambers, Hooker and Carlsile in the same side.

Nobody is going to trade an elite player for a ruckmen they can get for free in free agency. Wake the **** up, this team doesn't need another elite mid...that area of the ground is set. What we need is a skillful, half forward who can push up the ground and we can get that with an early pick...WHERE WE CAN DRAFT THE BEST RUCKMEN IN THE COUNTRY WITH!

Yeah we can trade him in 3 years, but his value may not be the same. He could get hurt in that time, he could turn into shit in 3 years from now. His value has peaked now, this team is on the cusp of being a top four side. Bellchambers has value in the marketplace (His value is not ELITE status and he is NOT elite, so there is NO CHANCE he can net us an elite mid) and as far as back-up goes...recruit one.

Consider yourself bitchslapped.

 

[The Prosecutor]

Facepalm.

 

[cotter101]

All I've got to say, is WOW.

 

[Wild Bill]

SO you are going to pay Bellchambers his market value to be injury insurance? LMAO

We cannot play Hurley, Crameri, Fletcher, Daniher, Ryder, Bellchambers, Hooker and Carlsile in the same side.

Nobody is going to trade an elite player for a ruckmen they can get for free in free agency. Wake the **** up, this team doesn't need another elite mid...that area of the ground is set. What we need is a skillful, half forward who can push up the ground and we can get that with an early pick...WHERE WE CAN DRAFT THE BEST RUCKMEN IN THE COUNTRY WITH!

Yeah we can trade him in 3 years, but his value may not be the same. He could get hurt in that time, he could turn into shit in 3 years from now. His value has peaked now, this team is on the cusp of being a top four side. Bellchambers has value in the marketplace (His value is not ELITE status and he is NOT elite, so there is NO CHANCE he can net us an elite mid) and as far as back-up goes...recruit one.

Consider yourself bitchslapped.

We held onto McIntosh for too long. We got very little in the end. They can go from 1st round to third very quickly.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

SO you are going to pay Bellchambers his market value to be injury insurance? LMAO

When we are in a window, yes. I want the backup to be able to play first ruck, not a bit part part timer. If we only get a 2nd rounder in 2 years, so be it, it is a small price to pay. You won't be laughing when we have average part timers backing up Ryder! It is beyond stupid to go down that road. Not to mention physically Ryder can't do a whole season alone, he is not that big.

Your solution is draft another 18 year old ruck...um yeah great, someone who may not work, when TBC is on our list. You see the stupidity of this idea. For every Nic Nat there is 100 dud ruck choices. They are so hard to find, you keep them when you get them.

For the record I would play both TBC/Ryder in the side. Look at our year- we actually were at our best offensively and defensively before Ryder's suspension when they both played. Would play Daniher at FF, Hurley in the backline.

 

[HirdyLannister]

physically Ryder can't do a whole season alone, he is not that big.

I find your views on this interesting, I do respectively disagree I believe since Ryder is on the smaller scale of height/weight compared to traditional ruckman his body holds up amazingly well, I can't remember his last true injury. But since he has a stunning leap he can compete and dominate taller guys.

The larger guys body's do let them down unfortunately. Sandi /warnock / ottens / McIntosh and that's only a fraction of them can mention a dozen more.

 

[LukeParkerno1]

I find your views on this interesting, I do respectively disagree I believe since Ryder is on the smaller scale of height/weight compared to traditional ruckman his body holds up amazingly well, I can't remember his last true injury. But since he has a stunning leap he can compete and dominate taller guys.

The larger guys body's do let them down unfortunately. Sandi /warnock / ottens / McIntosh and that's only a fraction of them can mention a dozen more.

To a point I agree, but phyiscally he can't run out a season yet. In a way his suspension was good as it gave him a month off. Normally that is fine, but without a 1st ruck backup this becomes a bit of an issue. As for his injury, didn't he have a muscle tear a year ago or so. I agree his body does hold up, these regular breaks help though. I don't think we can gamble on Ryder lasting a whole season + finals (so 25+ matches in total) and punting the one backup we have, regardless of the price. Now if we get offered pick 1, sure we would be mad not to consider it, but that would be the ONLY time you might consider the gamble.

 

[pulpdriver]

I would say that's exactly what he's worth.

How many ruckman with his hit out ability can rest forward and remain a major threat. I mean your club traded a dud to Collingwood for pick 14.

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Hoskin Elliot is a major talent that went at 4 just 2 years ago and had his contract extended by GWS earlier this year. I can't see why anyone would trade him and a 2nd rounder for Bellchambers, even if they were in need of a ruck like GWS. He's probably worth a first rounder, but don't expect to receive pick 7-15 for him.

 

[Ambrosia]

We'll have to agree to disagree then. Hoskin Elliot is a major talent that went at 4 just 2 years ago and had his contract extended by GWS earlier this year. I can't see why anyone would trade him and a 2nd rounder for Bellchambers, even if they were in need of a ruck like GWS. He's probably worth a first rounder, but don't expect to receive pick 7-15 for him.

Tom Hickey who is half the footballer Belly is went for pick 14 just last year.

 

[Wild Bill]

Tom Hickey who is half the footballer Belly is went for pick 14 just last year.

He is 2 years and 14kg behind Bellchambers. In two years time it maybe a comlpetely different storey.

 

[The Prosecutor]

I can't remember his last true injury. But since he has a stunning leap he can compete and dominate taller guys.

His quad late last year?

 

[HirdyLannister]

Ok he has one last year, last year you might aswell ask who wasn't injured since basically everyone had a spell This is Ryders career so far

2006 - 9
2007 - 21
2008 - 22
2009 - 21
2010 - 21
2011 - 23
2012 - 15 (injury)
2013 - 8*

His body is pretty durable I reckon. I agree 2 decent ruckman on our list is a MUST but TBC could be easily the number one ruckman at alot of club instead of chilling out in the seconds. So which teams do you think TBC could walk into next year and be made the number one ruckman? I'll have a stab Collingwood/GWS/Port/Crows/Melbourne , Im just not sure about Port who rucks for them currently?

 

[Offsider]

Ok he has one last year, last year you might aswell ask who wasn't injured since basically everyone had a spell This is Ryders career so far

2006 - 9
2007 - 21
2008 - 22
2009 - 21
2010 - 21
2011 - 23
2012 - 15 (injury)
2013 - 8*

His body is pretty durable I reckon. I agree 2 decent ruckman on our list is a MUST but TBC could be easily the number one ruckman at alot of club instead of chilling out in the seconds. So which teams do you think TBC could walk into next year and be made the number one ruckman? I'll have a stab Collingwood/GWS/Port/Crows/Melbourne , Im just not sure about Port who rucks for them currently?

If you go through the teams then:

Crows: Probably behind Jacobs, if he does get back to his best form.
Brisbane: Behing Leuenberger
Carlton: Behind Kreuzer when fit and in form
Collingwood: Would be number 1 ruck
Fremantle: Behind Sandilands who is never fit, probably just ahead of Griffen but they wouldn't trade.
Geelong: Would be the number 1 ruck but they wouldn't trade for him.
Gold Coast: Behind Zac Smith when fit, though quite close.
GWS: Would be number 1 ruck
Hawthorn: Would possibly be number 1 ruck, similar to Hale so not really what they need.
Melbourne: Would be number 1 ruck
North Melbourne: Behind Goldstein
Port Adelaide: Would be number 1 ruck
Richmond: Behind Maric
St Kilda: Behind McEvoy, although pretty even.
Sydney: Behind Pyke/Mumford
Bulldogs: Behind Minson
West Coast: Behind Cox/Natanui

So I only count 6 teams I believe he would be the number 1 ruck at. In saying that he is still worth a high price and teams would definitely be looking at him as an option.