F1 F1 2024 thread

[Festerz]

Verstappen is also 100% correct - it's a matter of time before Piastri sees himself as being too good to be playing second fiddle to Lando. Only way he stays at McLaren long term is if Lando leaves.

Yeah, Zak Brown keeps saying that McLaren is a team of equals when it comes to driver's but you only have to look at the history of McLaren let alone F1 in general to see having two top tier drivers in the same team almost always ends up in tears.

But whatever you think about Mark Weber as an F1 driver, he has proven himself to be beyond peer when it comes to being a driver manager in the heavy politicised world of F1. He no doubt already has a strategy in place for where Oscar needs to be to get a WDC and that will mean being the recognised #1 driver in a top team.

Picking which team will have the leading car and support package in the next 2-3 years is the tough guess. Will Red Bull and Mercedes continue to be also rans and will McLaren and Ferrari continue their new found dominance?

 

[Gunf]

Soooooo should Lando have waited a lap or two more?

Yes he should have given the spot back and tried again

 

[happy_eagle]

How much do you think general intelligence comes into play when being an F1 driver ?

I wonder if there is any correlation between Lando's constant errors and mistakes on track, and the notion that he isn't a particularly bright guy (I mean none of the drivers I would consider to be Rhodes Scholars, but Lando in particular appears to be pretty dumb off track)

 

[Cromulant]

How much do you think general intelligence comes into play when being an F1 driver ?

I wonder if there is any correlation between Lando's constant errors and mistakes on track, and the notion that he isn't a particularly bright guy (I mean none of the drivers I would consider to be Rhodes Scholars, but Lando in particular appears to be pretty dumb off track)

Its an interesting question.

Its probably more about composure in key moments. You cant tell me Lando didnt know exactly what Max was going to do..... and yet he still fell for it.

Lando makes mistakes in key moments, thats more compsoure than smarts IMO

 

[Gasometer]

Its an interesting question.

Its probably more about composure in key moments. You cant tell me Lando didnt know exactly what Max was going to do..... and yet he still fell for it.

Lando makes mistakes in key moments, thats more compsoure than smarts IMO

I was just watching thinking this is not going to end well with Max putting his elbows out and both colliding and going out

It was riveting viewing

 

[Cromulant]

I was just watching thinking this is not going to end well with Max putting his elbows out and both colliding and going out

It was riveting viewing

Ironically if they both went out that wouldve been better for Lando.

 

[Gasometer]

Ironically if they both went out that wouldve been better for Lando.

True. A DNF is possible for Max in these coming races as much as it is for Lando.

It would be epic to come down to the last Race again

 

[Cromulant]

True. A DNF is possible for Max in these coming races as much as it is for Lando.

It would be epic to come down to the last Race again

It might mathematically

 

[happy_eagle]

Red Bull (well Max) appear to have resolved their car woes. I expect Max to be on the podium every race from here on out, which won't be enough for Lando to close the gap. And that is not even taking into account Ferrari and Mercedes taking points of Lando.

 

[Cromulant]

Red Bull (well Max) appear to have resolved their car woes. I expect Max to be on the podium every race from here on out, which won't be enough for Lando to close the gap. And that is not even taking into account Ferrari and Mercedes taking points of Lando.

Well.... Ferrari anyway

 

[Vader]

Red Bull (well Max) appear to have resolved their car woes. I expect Max to be on the podium every race from here on out, which won't be enough for Lando to close the gap. And that is not even taking into account Ferrari and Mercedes taking points of Lando.

Not sure Mercedes are going to be getting in the way too often. Looks like their latest update was another step backwards, apparently contributing to both Russell (Q3) and Hamilton (Lap 1) spinning off.

The Ferraris, on the other hand, look very quick with their latest update.

 

[ash_1050]

How much do you think general intelligence comes into play when being an F1 driver ?

I wonder if there is any correlation between Lando's constant errors and mistakes on track, and the notion that he isn't a particularly bright guy (I mean none of the drivers I would consider to be Rhodes Scholars, but Lando in particular appears to be pretty dumb off track)

I think it's just having the driver IQ for things. Experience is learned and whereas someone like Max and Lewis were both sponges for learning and adapting and strategy Lando just doesn't seem to show signs of growth at a rate that suggests he can be a WDC winner. He relies on the guidance of the pit wall and doesn't have that edge required to make hard and decisive decisions in a split second, something that you need to be an A grade driver.

Contrast that to Oscar who seems to learn quickly, adapt, and can think 3 steps ahead. He's cool under pressure, can mentally map things out, and seems sure of himself when a decision needs to be made.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Verstappen is also 100% correct - it's a matter of time before Piastri sees himself as being too good to be playing second fiddle to Lando. Only way he stays at McLaren long term is if Lando leaves.

In my opinion, I dont think McLaren has shown any favoritism to Lando other than he getting the upgrades to his car first. I put that due to tenure in the team. Someone has to miss out on the upgrade first. I dont consider this a big deal.

On the track they have been allowed to compete as equals, including fighting each other for places. With regards to pit strategies, I think the driver that gets preference is the one who is ahead of the other during the race. If Lando out qualifies Oscar and is ahead of Oscar during the race, he should get first preference. Vice versa if Oscar is ahead of Lando.

 

[Simon_Nesbit]

...With regards to pit strategies, I think the driver that gets preference is the one who is ahead of the other during the race. If Lando out qualifies Oscar and is ahead of Oscar during the race, he should get first preference. Vice versa if Oscar is ahead of Lando.

Close. No issue when Lando is the lead driver in the race. The issue has been when Oscar is ahead, he's been given ambiguous information (and to be fair, provided ambiguous/neutral responses) and Lando has been given preference to pit first to avoid the undercut.

 

[Gunf]

Hmm was looking at points scored post Miami so the time frame in which the MCL has been the fastest car or at least faster than the Redbull.


Verstappen:236 Norris:233 Piastri:199 Leclerc:190 Hamilton:150 Sainz:136 Russel:121.

Somehow Max has extended his lead which if you think about it is insane.

Current standings


I would very much like it if Lec can steal second from Norris

 

[jabba5114]

Hmm was looking at points scored post Miami so the time frame in which the MCL has been the fastest car or at least faster than the Redbull.


Verstappen:236 Norris:233 Piastri:199 Leclerc:190 Hamilton:150 Sainz:136 Russel:121.

Somehow Max has extended his lead which if you think about it is insane.

Current standings
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I would very much like it if Lec can steal second from Norris

It's because of Austria max continued got points lando retired.

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[Black_White]

Hmm was looking at points scored post Miami so the time frame in which the MCL has been the fastest car or at least faster than the Redbull.


Verstappen:236 Norris:233 Piastri:199 Leclerc:190 Hamilton:150 Sainz:136 Russel:121.

Somehow Max has extended his lead which if you think about it is insane.

Current standings
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I would very much like it if Lec can steal second from Norris

Not insane at all when you consider the different drivers.
Had Max been driving the McLaren he would have won just about every race since Miami. He’s not perfect of course, but he makes way less mistakes than any driver currently on the grid. Lando makes to many mistakes and therefore the car and the team are not reaching the potential they have.

 

[imadodgyumpire]

Azerbaijan is probably the difference with the post Catalunya points.

 

[Gunf]

Not insane at all when you consider the different drivers.
Had Max been driving the McLaren he would have won just about every race since Miami. He’s not perfect of course, but he makes way less mistakes than any driver currently on the grid. Lando makes to many mistakes and therefore the car and the team are not reaching the potential they have.

Max is currently the best driver on the grid and it isn't even close imo.

Next best would be Lec which i would love to see a true championship battle between next year.

 

[Not Important]

Max is currently the best driver on the grid and it isn't even close imo.

Next best would be Lec which i would love to see a true championship battle between next year.

the margin is decreasing by the year.

 

[Cromulant]

the margin is decreasing by the year.

Is it though ?? The guy just came off the most dominant season in F1 history and he now drives the 3rd fastest car on the grid and is still leading the title race.

 

[Peter Sidorkiewicz]

Max is currently the best driver on the grid and it isn't even close imo.

Next best would be Lec which i would love to see a true championship battle between next year.

Sir Lewis Hamilton in an equal red bull would beat Max

 

[Duck Farmer]

Sir Lewis Hamilton in an equal red bull would beat Max

Has trouble beating Russell in an equal Mercedes.

 

[Cromulant]

Sir Lewis Hamilton in an equal red bull would beat Max

According to Lewis.

I don't even think Ted Kravitz would believe that.

 

[Duck Farmer]

I guess we'll all find out when he moves to Ferrari next year.