Coach Fages and the coaching group

[buttermuffs]

Think I'm just going to copy and paste this into the review thread and that will be my summary of the Grand Final

No way known we should have been made to look old and slow like we were, when we literally brought our home conditions to Melbourne for both the parade and game day.

It’s weird because while I agree you have to wonder whether our injury luck is because we don’t seem to push the players as hard. I forgot who it was but they’re at Adelaide now after having a stint at Melbourne which essentially saw them fall apart with injuries after their premiership year. Now the Crows look like one of the fittest teams in the comp but it might cost them.


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[Happy_Neale]

I still think sometimes we play our own gameplan to strongly which we only slightly tinker.
After Melb loss I think we learnt to shut down better although the red time goals in GF killed us.
I do not mind if you're loosing throw some magnets around or even look to hard tag players like teams do with Neale.
N Diacos was given way too much room and someone who really hates tags.

5 goals in red time agrees with you but I actually think we tend to go defensive late in quarters which teams take advantage of. If anything we should stick with our system even more during this time

 

[buttermuffs]

Your last sentence is the key.

We tried our absolute best but some players made mistakes, as you'd expect ,and our tactics misfired a little in the context of how the game played out.

We just didn't have the same energy we've had when we're on song but we toughed it out and almost pinched it.

It’s just shit to point fingers after a grand final loss. Just go on holiday and come back the next season and that’s when your going to have players who are going to in a better position to learn, improve and be motivated to do so. Every player later put 100% out there and I reckon losing looked punishment enough for any players who had a down game.


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[martinson]

5 goals in red time agrees with you but I actually think we tend to go defensive late in quarters which teams take advantage of. If anything we should stick with our system even more during this time

We went from taking a learning from shutting the game down too early at the end to trying to shut it down near the end of quarters with the same result. Unfortunately on full display in a GF.

The opposition could see this so they went full throttle knowing we weren't planning on doing anything special for 2 or 3 minutes.

I agree it was too predictable and backfired.

 

[davemc_lions]

5 goals in red time agrees with you but I actually think we tend to go defensive late in quarters which teams take advantage of. If anything we should stick with our system even more during this time

Not just GF we only won 11 last quarters for the year 10th in the comp from a team that won 17 games

Won 15 3rd equal first with Port
Won 14 2nd 5th in comp
won 16 first equal first

 

[Dalions]

5 goals in red time agrees with you but I actually think we tend to go defensive late in quarters which teams take advantage of. If anything we should stick with our system even more during this time

It’s been proven a few times throughout the year that things fall apart when we roll a winger back as a spare.
It’s like as if the midfielders think it gives them a chance to relax a bit when they should be going harder in red time in quarters.

 

[Squizz89]

Could there be a succession plan for life after Fages with this next appointment? And that’s why the club came to a “mutual” agreement with Stone?

 

[martinson]

It’s just s**t to point fingers after a grand final loss. Just go on holiday and come back the next season and that’s when your going to have players who are going to in a better position to learn, improve and be motivated to do so. Every player later put 100% out there and I reckon losing looked punishment enough for any players who had a down game.


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I fail to see anything in my comments that were derogatory , in fact I would have thought the opposite in view of the conclusion , as my comments generally on the GF have been at the time and since.

You seem to like cherry picking my comments and having a go . For reasons unknown.

 

[martinson]

It’s been proved a few times throughout the year that things fall apart when we roll a winger back as a spare.
It’s like as if the midfielders think it gives them a chance to relax a bit when they should be going harder in red time in quarters.

Totally agree.

 

[martinson]

It’s been proved a few times throughout the year that things fall apart when we roll a winger back as a spare.
It’s like as if the midfielders think it gives them a chance to relax a bit when they should be going harder in red time in quarters.

The only perplexing part was that things weren't falling apart we were right in it.

 

[buttermuffs]

How do we know whether mark stones interpersonal skills were any better than dews?

Dew will come in under fages with a wealth of experience and will be able to learn from someone who has taken a team from a basket case to a grand final and will likely develop those man management skills further. This is a good get. Fages is getting close to retirement and still has the hawthorn thing over his head. Need someone like dew.

He was also a very successful assistant at Sydney which is why he got the Suns job as well.

Someone already mentioned Leppa but he spent years at Richmond then went back and helped them win three flags then moved to Collingwood and helped them win one as well. The top gig is hard.


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[Mighty Lions]

Not talking about the media.

What I’m mentioning comes directly from inside the club, and has done so for the past 3 seasons.

Mine as well so like I said, differing opinions.

 

[dlanod]

He can join me on my 10km morning walk through Thu Duc (north side of Ho Chi Minh).

I usually lose 1kg every morning when I take my shirt off, after getting home.

Stop wearing 1 kg shirts for starters.

 

[Mighty Lions]

We went from taking a learning from shutting the game down too early at the end to trying to shut it down near the end of quarters with the same result. Unfortunately on full display in a GF.

The opposition could see this so they went full throttle knowing we weren't planning on doing anything special for 2 or 3 minutes.

I agree it was too predictable and backfired.

Interesting outlook but that was not the strategy.

 

[RoyBoy17]

I think Collingwood showed that the best way to shut a game down is to put extras up at the stoppage. The whole point is to stop it getting down there in the first place. The extra at the back is fraught with danger especially when it’s the wrong player.

 

[martinson]

Interesting outlook but that was not the strategy.

Perhaps it wasn't but when you throw a forward with limited defensive skills behind the ball that's what it looked like.

Or maybe he was there for another reason.

 

[davemc_lions]

I think Collingwood showed that the best way to shut a game down is to put extras up at the stoppage. The whole point is to stop it getting down there in the first place. The extra at the back is fraught with danger especially when it’s the wrong player.

Think everyone will watch what the pies did
If behind go for it run hard.
Once ahead put a extra to stoppage then get the ball sit on it pretend your a chicken and just lay on the ball.

Also helps if you have a few players the umps love.
Find it funny Lachie wins brownlows although not really ump love.
Diacos's, Pendles, DeGoey, Moore, Bont, Cripps, Dusty etc have that 2-3 seconds more to get rid of it and instant frees for almost anything.
Zorko I think would need to have his head ripped off. Previous week against GWS was just as bad.
You could say Vic bias as pies seem to have the rub in a lot of close games.
Think Port and Crows fans agree.

 

[martinson]

Think everyone will watch what the pies did
If behind go for it run hard.
Once ahead put a extra to stoppage then get the ball sit on it pretend your a chicken and just lay on the ball.

Also helps if you have a few players the umps love.
Find it funny Lachie wins brownlows although not really ump love.
Diacos's, Pendles, DeGoey, Moore, Bont, Cripps, Dusty etc have that 2-3 seconds more to get rid of it and instant frees for almost anything.
Zorko I think would need to have his head ripped off. Previous week against GWS was just as bad.
You could say Vic bias as pies seem to have the rub in a lot of close games.

They weren't shutting it down over well in the last quarter.

Just needed one of our set shots to go through or a little bit of luck near the end to sneak it.

The umpiring overall didn't give them much of an advantage. There were a couple of howlers but likewise I was surprised at a couple we got.

Certain players have always been protected species ever since I've been following footy . It's a bit annoying that ball players like Neale ,Cameron and Daniher seem to cop a raw deal. Zorko is at the extreme end of being disadvantaged but I think that's because he never stops yapping and the umps have long memories.

 

[Mighty Lions]

Perhaps it wasn't but when you throw a forward with limited defensive skills behind the ball that's what it looked like.

Or maybe he was there for another reason.

Maybe. Could be. I think they are pretty qualified to make decisions in a game but there are no guarantee's it works no matter how good or footy smart they are. Hindsight like we all have here on BF makes many people wise and our coach's sometimes silly which isnt a fair assessment of any given game.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

He can join me on my 10km morning walk through Thu Duc (north side of Ho Chi Minh).

I usually lose 1kg every morning when I take my shirt off, after getting home.

Yeah, whenever I start a new weight loss attempt, the first couple of kg's lost are basically water.

 

[martinson]

Maybe. Could be. I think they are pretty qualified to make decisions in a game but there are no guarantee's it works no matter how good or footy smart they are. Hindsight like we all have here on BF makes many people wise and our coach's sometimes silly which isnt a fair assessment of any given game.

I agree.

The only thing ever right is hindsight. Every decision is made with good intentions and planning but sometimes it just doesn't work.

In fact there are a lot of things that don't work in a random game like footy , as the great John Kennedy said you just dust yourself off and keep moving the ball forward. Which these days means just keep going whatever happens.

 

[briztoon]

Mine as well so like I said, differing opinions.

I understood that.

But I was replying to you saying “don’t believe everything you read in the media”.

I was letting you know what I have heard for three years wasn’t from the media.

 

[Grasshopper17]

I thought Dew was a good assistant at Sydney v before he joined GC. He was there for 7 years. And for the swans 2012 premiership.

Those 7 years coinciding with some of the ugliest football in the history of the sport. And the Suns under him haven't been much better for the most part.

I believe it is incumbent upon our footy club, being in a market where competition from other sports is far greater than in the south, to play a brand of game which is both successful AND entertaining.

If we are hiring Dew as our strategy coach then we can prepare for more of the same.

I'm a bit with briztoon in that I'd like to think we can do better, but at the same time I guess high calibre assistants don't grow on trees

 

[Grasshopper17]

Interesting announcement dumping Stone

Really doesn't make it look very mutual.

I was thinking the same. Very different wording to how Adcock's departure was announced.

 

[Grasshopper17]

It’s weird because while I agree you have to wonder whether our injury luck is because we don’t seem to push the players as hard. I forgot who it was but they’re at Adelaide now after having a stint at Melbourne which essentially saw them fall apart with injuries after their premiership year. Now the Crows look like one of the fittest teams in the comp but it might cost them.


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Darren Burgess. Altho it was interesting to see that for much of the season Adelaide's last quarters were pretty ordinary. They were pretty good in that regard tho late in the season.