Coach Fages and the coaching group

[martinson]

Winning= Plan A
Losing= No plan B

Our Plan was good when we played well and not so good when we played poorly.

Plan A is the plan that you hope will win you the game. Plan B is when nothing's working and you're in real trouble and not likely to win so you throw the balls in the air and hope something works , a situation we weren't in yesterday till 2 minutes to go.

 

[McIvor]

A fair few other coaches would of had at least 1 flag in the bank by now too

Fagan has no control over the lions mental game and disjointed forwards…. For years

Six cracks of the finals and more wins than any other team in that time and still jack shit to show for it. Amazes me that so many people are ok with that.

I have changed my tune on Fagan from earlier in the season up until last night. Injuries just aren't an excuse. We've had two goes at finishing second in the past 8 days and injuries weren't an excuse up until choking two games in a row so why are injuries a convenient excuse now?

If Fagan can't get it done this year or next; we've got to make a change at the end of next year when his contract expires although I suspect the window will be well and truly closed by then and we'd have wasted `~6-7 finals campaigns. I suspect Fagan would step aside next year if he doesn’t win it unless for some reason they re-contract him.

 

[buttermuffs]

Winning= Plan A
Losing= No plan B

Let’s face it, this team is mentally weak and would be incapable of ever doing something like Collingwood did.

Imagine this team being multiple goals down in the last quarter against a respectable opposition (like maybe Melbourne or Sydney) and have them claw back in the last to win by less than a goal.

It would never happen.

 

[Lion_LegacyXL]

Let’s face it, this team is mentally weak and would be incapable of ever doing something like Collingwood did.

Imagine this team being multiple goals down in the last quarter against a respectable opposition (like maybe Melbourne or Sydney) and have them claw back in the last to win by less than a goal.

It would never happen.

We rarely ever do that against weaker opposition at home. We're not known as a team that comes from behind.

 

[Crusha]

I blame the strength of magnetism on our positions board, because once we place them at the start of the game they stay stuck until the end of the last quarter.
Maybe we should steal the boards/player magnets from GWS or Collingwood ( or get an assistant with stronger hands/arms to operate the board we currently have).

What's that old saying about losing games .... something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result ............. sounds insane to me !

 

[Nathan Barley]

I blame the strength of magnetism on our positions board, because once we place them at the start of the game they stay stuck until the end of the last quarter.
Maybe we should steal the boards/player magnets from GWS or Collingwood ( or get an assistant with stronger hands/arms to operate the board we currently have).

What's that old saying about losing games .... something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result ............. sounds insane to me !

What changes would be helped anything?

 

[martinson]

What changes would be helped anything?

Maybe you're right Nathan and yesterday wasn't the day to do it because we were going well mostly, but if you're struggling the thing about changes is you don't know what might work until you try something.

 

[Section 5]

Six cracks of the finals and more wins than any other team in that time and still jack shit to show for it. Amazes me that so many people are ok with that.

I have changed my tune on Fagan from earlier in the season up until last night. Injuries just aren't an excuse. We've had two goes at finishing second in the past 8 days and injuries weren't an excuse up until choking two games in a row so why are injuries a convenient excuse now?

If Fagan can't get it done this year or next; we've got to make a change at the end of next year when his contract expires although I suspect the window will be well and truly closed by then and we'd have wasted `~6-7 finals campaigns. I suspect Fagan would step aside next year if he doesn’t win it unless for some reason they re-contract him.

I get some peoples frustration but winning the Premiership is no easy task.
The club won't sack Fagan next year.
He will either sign an extension or if he feels it's time for someone else to have a go then he walks away.
If he walks away i am fine with that. Same as if he stays as long as it is no longer than a 2-year extension.
We can sack him if things turn disastrous in 2025 with only a 6-month payout.

Clubs always look at the win/loss ratio when deciding it's time to sack the coach.
They also look at the clubs financial position and membership numbers. Both those usually reflect the win/loss record of the coach.
Our financial position has improved as well as our membership, now exceeding 60k during Fagans rein.
The board decisions, including appointing the right coach also have a big influence on our financial position.

 

[martinson]

Just on coaching to see how easily we coughed up a match winning lead and then them to be able to shut the game down so easily in the last 3 minutes with some of our guys looking on like their dog had just died indicates a mental fragility that has to be faced up to. It's not as if the opposition aren't on to it.

Yes we kicked poorly ,we've got injuries but we just seemed to give up mentally once they got the sniff. It's not as if they're that good.

 

[western royboy]

I get frustrated because at times I feel we get ‘out coached’ more than we ‘out coach’ the opposition.

Do we have a Plan B?

Has been my biggest beef for a long time.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Just on coaching to see how easily we coughed up a match winning lead and then them to be able to shut the game down so easily in the last 3 minutes with some of our guys looking on like their dog had just died indicates a mental fragility that has to be faced up to. It's not as if the opposition aren't on to it.

Yes we kicked poorly ,we've got injuries but we just seemed to give up mentally once they got the sniff. It's not as if they're that good.

How much of that is down to coaching and how much of that is inherent to the players themselves? Would they be mentally strong if they had 2001 Leigh Matthews coaching them, or would even he come up short? I think that's a good question to ask to decide whether Fagan should stay on past 2025.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Maybe you're right Nathan and yesterday wasn't the day to do it because we were going well mostly, but if you're struggling the thing about changes is you don't know what might work until you try something.

Were we struggling 3 goals up with 10 minutes to go with Joe having an easy set shot?

 

[McIvor]

I get some peoples frustration but winning the Premiership is no easy task.
The club won't sack Fagan next year.
He will either sign an extension or if he feels it's time for someone else to have a go then he walks away.
If he walks away i am fine with that. Same as if he stays as long as it is no longer than a 2-year extension.
We can sack him if things turn disastrous in 2025 with only a 6-month payout.

Clubs always look at the win/loss ratio when deciding it's time to sack the coach.
They also look at the clubs financial position and membership numbers. Both those usually reflect the win/loss record of the coach.
Our financial position has improved as well as our membership, now exceeding 60k during Fagans rein.
The board decisions, including appointing the right coach also have a big influence on our financial position.

Just for the record, I'm not saying we would ever sack him. I trust that it will be a mature and respectful parting on both sides, but I just hope that no decisions are made during the course of next season. There will be no need to. No other club is going to poach him, so I hope both parties wait and assess that if he hasn't won a flag either this year or next that someone else be given a go.

 

[Viceregal]

Ken Hinkley, Ross Lyon or Nathan Buckley would be triple Premiership coaches if we got them on board in 2017 instead of Fages.

Faecetiousness aside ... I wonder how many less Lion's supporters there would be after seven years of Ross ball in the Den

 

[martinson]

Were we struggling 3 goals up with 10 minutes to go with Joe having an easy set shot?

I agree with you. I didn't mean we were struggling , I meant when any team is struggling.

 

[martinson]

How much of that is down to coaching and how much of that is inherent to the players themselves? Would they be mentally strong if they had 2001 Leigh Matthews coaching them, or would even he come up short? I think that's a good question to ask to decide whether Fagan should stay on past 2025.

Don't have the answer to that one . I'm sure Fagan and the coaching team are doing everything within their power to address any mental issues . There's an old Confucian saying that you can't teach the student until the student is ready. And sometimes the student never is.

 

[StevoJenkins]

How much of that is down to coaching and how much of that is inherent to the players themselves? Would they be mentally strong if they had 2001 Leigh Matthews coaching them, or would even he come up short? I think that's a good question to ask to decide whether Fagan should stay on past 2025.

Don't have the answer to that one . I'm sure Fagan and the coaching team are doing everything within their power to address any mental issues . There's an old Confucian saying that you can't teach the student until the student is ready. And sometimes the student never is.

Bring back that sports psychologist from the premiership days. That'll do it.

(That man is probably on a lot more money these days)

 

[Crusha]

I blame the strength of magnetism on our positions board, because once we place them at the start of the game they stay stuck until the end of the last quarter.
Maybe we should steal the boards/player magnets from GWS or Collingwood ( or get an assistant with stronger hands/arms to operate the board we currently have).

What's that old saying about losing games .... something about doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result ............. sounds insane to me !

What changes would be helped anything?

We lost didn't we .......... anything tried couldn't have been any the worse !

 

[Nunez]

I say we fire Elixuh his speeches did nothing.

 

[Elixuh]

I say we fire Elixuh his speeches did nothing.

**** you nunez you coward.

clears throat

Men of Rohan! Of Gondor! My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come, when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends, and break all bonds of fellowship. An hour of wolves, and shattered shields, when the Age of men comes crashing down. But it is not this day, this day, we fight!

 

[Tom14]

**** you nunez you coward.

clears throat

Men of Rohan! Of Gondor! My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come, when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends, and break all bonds of fellowship. An hour of wolves, and shattered shields, when the Age of men comes crashing down. But it is not this day, this day, we fight!

 

[Nathan Barley]

We lost didn't we .......... anything tried couldn't have been any the worse !

Unfortunately time travel doesn't exist. Joe kicks that last shot and we might’ve lost if we made changes in the last 10

 

[Nunez]

**** you nunez you coward.

clears throat

Men of Rohan! Of Gondor! My brothers. I see in your eyes the same fear that would take the heart of me. A day may come, when the courage of men fails, when we forsake our friends, and break all bonds of fellowship. An hour of wolves, and shattered shields, when the Age of men comes crashing down. But it is not this day, this day, we fight!

I teared up. You're back!

 

[Crusha]

Unfortunately time travel doesn't exist. Joe kicks that last shot and we might’ve lost if we made changes in the last 10

No, it doesn't, but "Footy Nous" does (at least at GWS & Collingwood - who both changed things up after being nearly blown away in the first quarters) ........... and I wasn't necessarily referring to the last 10 minutes. We could, at least, have tried something earlier when the opposition was getting a roll on so as to, maybe, not have needed Joe to do what he's paid to do late on.

Look, we can go on back & forward ..... maybe we can agree on the simple fact that, kick a reasonable amount of "gettable" goals that presented, and we most likely would've won*.

* both games - Bad kicking for goal is bad football

 

[Perrip]

Seems we've moved from Joe to Fagan about why we lost on Saturday...