Coach Fages and the coaching group

[Johnny Bananas]

I'd like Yze to come in now. We're just treading water for a year if we keep Fagan, and that's time our next coach could be using to mould the team in his preferred style.

 

[Dalions]

Is there an all over ground defensive coach as defence is an 18 player thing these days not just a set defensive group of 6-7? Or is that Fagan?

I think I remember Mark Stone saying in an interview that he was responsible for the full ground defensive set ups.

 

[Dalions]

I kinda get the feeling that Fages is kinda like the Dad that everybody loves and as a result is loathed to make the hard decisions, not to upset anyone.
I don’t think there will be too much change other than Hodgey to come on board full time. I hope.
And he is the one that I would put in charge of the full ground defensive structures.

 

[trikster]

Wasn’t expecting that decision at all, I thought it was going to either be McVeigh or Yze.

Personally, would try to get either Rutten/Hodge as our defence coach and Yze as our Forward coach, come 2023.

Rutten rumoured payout is 600k, I reckon he might be enjoying a year off

 

[western royboy]

Rutten rumoured payout is 600k, I reckon he might be enjoying a year off

Time waits for no man

 

[Tom14]

Real 'Sack Hinkley' Thread vibes in here. Not good.

 

[Squizz89]

Real 'Sack Hinkley' Thread vibes in here. Not good.

To be fair they’re starting to reflect pretty similar in terms of the results they’re able to produce. Competent home and away coaches but can either of them take their team to the very top?

Having said that I definitely don’t think we’re at that stage yet. Got a Port supporting mate and it’s always good to head over to the Port board to have a read of that thread(s) about Ken for a laugh.

 

[rye]

Real 'Sack Hinkley' Thread vibes in here. Not good.

reading that thread you get the impression hinkley is nosferatu draining the life out of port adelaide through yearly tributes of coke zero

 

[Gadzorks]

I kinda get the feeling that Fages is kinda like the Dad that everybody loves and as a result is loathed to make the hard decisions, not to upset anyone.
I don’t think there will be too much change other than Hodgey to come on board full time. I hope.
And he is the one that I would put in charge of the full ground defensive structures.

I think that's what he projects. But you don't get to be an elite coach without a fair whack of self belief, who and ability to be politically ruthless.

His team selections are his vision of how the team will function best, and he sticks to that vision at whatever cost. I imagine that includes batting away other opinions, and having the assistant coaches in awe of him.

 

[Gibbo_88]

I can't see anything changing regarding our coaching group. This is the same team that was only 20 points down against the Demons halfway through the 4th quarter in last years final series. The way we play for whatever reason is not to the same standard this year but the players individually are also losing contests that we have seen them win time and time again over the last 2-3 years. Need to make changes but it's about how we play and it's pretty much impossible to look at the club from a fans perspective and say we should move on a specific assistant or hire another.

 

[Big Sauce 21]

Yze missed out on the GWS job.

Wonder if he'd be interested in an assistants role for 2023 with an eye on the top job for the year after.

Favourite with the bookies to get the Bombers job.

 

[scoman]

I can't see anything changing regarding our coaching group. This is the same team that was only 20 points down against the Demons halfway through the 4th quarter in last years final series. The way we play for whatever reason is not to the same standard this year but the players individually are also losing contests that we have seen them win time and time again over the last 2-3 years. Need to make changes but it's about how we play and it's pretty much impossible to look at the club from a fans perspective and say we should move on a specific assistant or hire another.

Im not sure any of us have the inside knowledge to make calls on specific assistants, but as a collective its a rather underwhelming group. I made the point in another thread that most other clubs in the comp have at least 2 or 3 of the following:

• Former senior AFL coaches
• Assistants regularly floated as 'next in line types'
• Highly decorated past players

None of our coaching staff could be considered in these categories. I have no idea how good or bad any of our guys are, but we could really benefit swapping a couple out for, as examples, Rutten and Hodge, N Lappin and Kennedy (Swans) or even Yze and Power.

 

[Dalions]

Favourite with the bookies to get the Bombers job.

He is not an experienced coach that they said they were after.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

He is not an experienced coach that they said they were after.

Personally, I think Essendon will go with Lyon (if Hird isn’t selected).

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Yze missed out on the GWS job.

Wonder if he'd be interested in an assistants role for 2023 with an eye on the top job for the year after.

He's already an assistant though. Surely he'd only move interstate and leave a serious flag contender for an actual head coach role.

 

[Elixuh]

Yze missed out on the GWS job.

Wonder if he'd be interested in an assistants role for 2023 with an eye on the top job for the year after.

Its spelt Yeezy, Brab.

 

[StevoJenkins]

Personally, I think Essendon will go with Lyon (if Hird isn’t selected).

Word is that they will go with Hinkley if he leaves Port.

 

[western royboy]

Favourite with the bookies to get the Bombers job.

Depends what market you look at - J Hird was the $3.75 fav in one market…which is totally ****ed up

 

[western royboy]

Personally, I think Essendon will go with Lyon (if Hird isn’t selected).

Lyon would be a PR disaster

 

[T Rick]

Anyone know the contract status of our Assistants?

 

[StevoJenkins]

One assistant I would like us to grab is Adam Yze. From all reports he is a great assistant and could be a Fagan replacement if Fagan was to be let go next year. The guy has been working his arse off to get a head coaching gig and could be open to a succession plan if the club knew roughly when Fagan is set to retire as well (in the case of if Fagan does get an extension to his contract).

 

[davemc_lions]

I think only been two succession plans that worked. Both was Roos moving on to Horse and Goodwin
All the rest ended up a mess of a hand over.
Clarko-Mitchell, Malthouse-Buckley and Worsfold-Rutten

 

[dlanod]

I think only been two succession plans that worked. Both was Roos moving on to Horse and Goodwin
All the rest ended up a mess of a hand over.
Clarko-Mitchell, Malthouse-Buckley and Worsfold-Rutten

The latter three all smelled very non-consensual, which probably contributes to the mess.

 

[davemc_lions]

The latter three all smelled very non-consensual, which probably contributes to the mess.

To coach a AFL team you need a EGO.
Very few coaches move retire willingly while the club is up.
Lethal moved on although final few years where we where on the ladder 11,13,10 and 10.

I am happy Fagan go around again.
Just as others said we need a shake up in assistants. A few the same since Leppa days.

 

[twhowler]

Two.....JBerry on friday night. (and probably lots in between)

It was minor in comparison to Joe, but it proves something I've thought for ages and that is the medicos do what the coaches want, not the way it should be......and that is to rest/sort out injured players. Follow Doctors advice.

...and while they are resting, we bring up a newbie from the seconds and might unearth a new player.

Gardiner a great example. Was so banged up mid year. Just kept being put out there. Looked very hampered. When he got an impact injury and had to miss 4 weeks, he came back looking so much better. So why on earth play him through injury, when we have Lester sitting there as replacement? The 'squads win flags' line is true but is empty words from Fagan.

And yes Gardiner was terrible on the weekend. No theory on that one