Opinion Fan misery index by team supported

[Off Tap]

Aye agreed - the WA teams fans are clearly the most miserable.

Not here. I enjoy barracking for the biggest and strongest club in Australia.

 

[Pavlovs Cat]

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[Pavlovs Cat]

Both in the minds of Richmond fans and everyone else.

The 'arrogance' people claim Richmond fans have in part stems from this.

For 37 years we were the butt of everyone's jokes, and both sides of the equation have had trouble adjusting to the change of circumstances.

oppo fans claiming that after 3 flags in 4 years, Richmodn are still a really ordinary team, and they just got lucky.....All becuase they can't adjust their mindset from jokes about Richmond coming 9th, so rather than adjust their mindset, they make up a fantasyland (yes, you need some luck to win a GF, but you still need to be a good team too, and when you win 3/4, there is a hell of a lot more than luck going on).

Richmond fans, like the kid who has been bullied for too long and suddenly gets to be on top and can't help but rub it in at every opportunity and fly off at the suggestions from idiot oppo fans.

Point is, the 37 years of crap is still very much there. For everyone.

Every team gets the asterix Tige. It's how we all cope with getting done. Just means you're relevant again. I thought we had your blokes but that Dustin Martin fella can play a bit. A lot of Cats might claim a choke was on but Richmond has another gear pressure wise that the other sides don't seem to have. As for annoying fans you aren't at the old Hawthorn level just yet.

 

[Shadow89]

Was just talking about this yesterday from my POV as a geelong supporter. I started in 93. We had Ablett, Hocking, etc etc etc. We never hit rock bottom, or were wooden spooners... we make finals and Grand Finals (yes, losing GFs but thats not my point here)... i had a blast following Geelong back then. Yes, except for the obvious matches.

And yep, obviously its easy for me to say this since 07.
BUt flags are like heroine. One hit and you want more. So im still hanging out for me next hit...


For me Melb and St Kilda should be equal ladder leaders.

Lmao, sorry to point out the obvious, but probs not the best idea to be mentioning Ablett and heroine in the same post...

 

[Pavlovs Cat]

I would have Geelong higher on the list as they continually let their supporters down in the finals.
I know a few Geelong supporters who were devastated last year and have lost all hope of winning another GF this decade.

Yeah we didn't win the flag obvs but at least we had a couple of impressive finals wins and twice in a row we put the heat on you rather than getting flogged like we did in 17 and GWS in 2019. You blokes are just better at the moment. At least we didn't go out in straight sets this time or cough up a massive lead in a final and be out of the match by quarter time. Out of all the grannies I've seen us lose last year's was pretty low on the list as far as fan misery goes. I think most Cats fans knew we weren't the best side but we would have gladly taken it if we managed to hold on.

 

[beema limapep]

Not here. I enjoy barracking for the biggest and strongest club in Australia.

I think we have found a rare gem amongst eagle supporters. Kudos to you!

 

[Off Tap]

I think we have found a rare gem amongst eagle supporters. Kudos to you!

I have nothing to boo at for the time being so that may change over time.

 

[Kozzie_Magic]

Switch Freo with both the saints and demon's and you got it right.

Demon's and saints fans can look back at their flags. Freo can't.

Not sure if that applies to something that happened way before you were born, it's almost like watching a doco on Hadrian's wall

 

[Monkey King]

If St Kilda win the flag this year, I guarantee you won't find a happier bunch of people than Saints fans. Their current level of misery correlates to extreme levels of happiness once success is achieved. That's why most Hawks fans are whingers despite the flags they've seen.

This view is distorted by recency bias. It's like a minimum wage earner feeling great coz they found $50 on the ground today compared to a rich bloke whose portfolio lost several thousand. Today you might say the rich bloke feels miserable financially, while comparatively the poor bloke is elated with his lot.

Taking a broader perspective however, this wouldn't be the case.

It's interesting though. Maybe it's got something to do with the individual doing the assessment and whether they're a short term thinker or a long term thinker.

 

[Boristown]

This view is distorted by recency bias. It's like a minimum wage earner feeling great coz they found $50 on the ground today compared to a rich bloke whose portfolio lost several thousand. Today you might say the rich bloke feels miserable financially, while comparatively the poor bloke is elated with his lot.

Taking a broader perspective however, this wouldn't be the case.

It's interesting though. Maybe it's got something to do with the individual doing the assessment and whether they're a short term thinker or a long term thinker.

The human experience in general is distorted by recency bias PLUS we feel loss much more strongly compared to when we gain something (see loss aversion).

So it only makes sense that a Tigers fan is much happier in general right now than a Hawks supporter, especially as it looks like the Hawks are looking at a relatively extended period down the ladder (and their fans are starting to realise it).

And your analogy of rich vs poor bloke isn't really accurate. Wealth isn't a great predictor for happiness (plenty of rich, depressed people out there).

 

[Masotiger]

OP has a big dose of recency bias. Tigers with a score of 1???

Up until a few years ago there was hardly a more suffering supporter base over the last 30 years.

Who would you rather be, the multi-millionaire that's just lost every cent on a bad business transaction, or the pauper who just won tattslotto?

 

[Freomaniac]

Not sure if that applies to something that happened way before you were born, it's almost like watching a doco on Hadrian's wall

I seriously dont care. Nothing hurts as a freo fan than being reminded about how many flags freo has won.

Again, your team won a flag, even though it was over 50 years ago, at least they can look back and see it.

I cant.

 

[Freomaniac]

Not since 1944. Longer than Melbourne and St. Kilda. Ever experienced your club being removed from the competition?

Yep, South Sydney Rabbitohs. Made that 2014 premiership even sweeter as Souths knocked off Sydney in the prelim and Cantebury Dogs in the Grand final as I disliked both sides as Sonny Bill williams played for them.

 

[Freomaniac]

Dunno mate, the drought between flags is still longer for dees/aints fans than dockers fans, lots of people don't even count VFL flags as AFL flags so we are in the same boat as you, just for longer

No you are not.

Again...... Have The demons and saints won a premiership? The answer is yes.

Has freo won a premiership? The answer is no.

 

[Roylion]

Yep, South Sydney Rabbitohs. Made that 2014 premiership even sweeter as Souths knocked off Sydney in the prelim and Cantebury Dogs in the Grand final as I disliked both sides as Sonny Bill williams played for them.

So still in the competition.

 

[Freomaniac]

So still in the competition.

they were removed at one point

 

[Grin]

Aye agreed - the WA teams fans are clearly the most miserable.

Surely it must be the Eagles. Haven't won every premiership, haven't got every free kick and haven't played every game at home.

They're kind of like a terribly spoilt child who's parents "just wanted them to be happy", but have grown into insatiably entitled adults. Miserable because the world hasn't delivered what they feel it owes them. Furious because they're convinced that others (Victorians) haven't worked hard enough to provide them with what they haven't earned and don't deserve.

 

[Roylion]

they were removed at one point

But back in. That'd be nice.

 

[Monkey King]

The human experience in general is distorted by recency bias PLUS we feel loss much more strongly compared to when we gain something (see loss aversion).

So it only makes sense that a Tigers fan is much happier in general right now than a Hawks supporter, especially as it looks like the Hawks are looking at a relatively extended period down the ladder (and their fans are starting to realise it).

And your analogy of rich vs poor bloke isn't really accurate. Wealth isn't a great predictor for happiness (plenty of rich, depressed people out there).

A lot of heuristics and biases can distort perception. Primacy effect can counter recency bias. For me personally, Carlton's success early in my life was far more special than any success that came later. I'm sure in a present moment I'd be briefly happier in a football sense if Carlton won a flag this year, but on the balance of a lifetime, I wouldn't trade my previous experience for that. Risk tolerance and time horizon mediate the impact of loss aversion. It's not a slap dash rule applicable to all in equal measure.

I clarified by saying "miserable financially". Besides, we're talking about misery as it relates to the life of a football supporter FFS, as if the success of your football team is any great predictor for happiness. So yeah nah, keep it in context.

 

[beema limapep]

They're kind of like a terribly spoilt child who's parents "just wanted them to be happy", but have grown into insatiably entitled adults. Miserable because the world hasn't delivered what they feel it owes them. Furious because they're convinced that others (Victorians) haven't worked hard enough to provide them with what they haven't earned and don't deserve.

They are, in another sense, like a streetbegger con artist who goes home to their mansion to count their coins.

That is, downtrodden victims of circumstance in one breath and in another, the biggest most successful club in another. It just depends on the narrative they choose to be pushing at the time.

 

[Monkey King]

Who would you rather be, the multi-millionaire that's just lost every cent on a bad business transaction, or the pauper who just won tattslotto?

Depends on other factors. How long had I been a multi-millionaire, how long had I been a pauper and how did each affect my life to that point?

History shows the pauper generally blows his lotto money, while the millionaire often recovers their fortune in the long run.

Way too many considerations to answer, but at a guess, I'd choose to be the millionaire that just lost every cent.

 

[chiwigi]

Most Port fans have seen multiple premierships at state and national level, they also saw their club make it to the national league where every non Vic club failed including Ports most bitter rivals in SA.

They’ve always been a battler club and it’s always been an ‘us against the establishment’ thing, albeit a very successful one, so money issues and dealing with the big bad arseholes at league head office etc are day to day that the club have always overcome.

Moving to a proper ground at AO and being free from SANFL control alleviated the misery of being held back by those that hated us the most.

From the misery angle, there’s the Guernsey issue and the fact we have to share the state with the West Lakes Franchise as well as not being able to win multiple AFL premised ships as yet, so that would put us pretty high again I guess .

In contrast, The Crows have had literally every advantage possible handed to them on a silver platter and have just won the spoon.

 

[Roddy]

The human experience in general is distorted by recency bias PLUS we feel loss much more strongly compared to when we gain something (see loss aversion).

So it only makes sense that a Tigers fan is much happier in general right now than a Hawks supporter, especially as it looks like the Hawks are looking at a relatively extended period down the ladder (and their fans are starting to realise it).

And your analogy of rich vs poor bloke isn't really accurate. Wealth isn't a great predictor for happiness (plenty of rich, depressed people out there).

No, in general I am still happier than Tiges supporters. Since 1980, we have 9 flags and they have 3. In my lifetime, we have 12, they have 5. Way, way, way ahead in the happiness stakes.

 

[damicky]

Very simple:

Years since last flag.
Or
Years since last GF appearance x 3.

Whichever number is lower.

The formula needs more layers ... it’s an interesting topic though

 

[Roobs321]

Last prelim:
Carlton 2000
Essendon 2001

Finals series since:
Carlton: 5
Essendon: 8

Last final won:
Carlton: 2013 EF
Essendon: 2004 EF