For what it is worth, it may be worth picking up one of Anthony Miles or Horlin-Smith just to add a little inside steel and tackling pressure to the midfield.
List Mgmt. Farewell Ablett - Officially back to the Cats
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He's had 3 games this year with 1 tackle.
Don't be fooled by Geelong fans selling offal as fillet steak.
Fair enough he must of had 1 or 2 games of big tackles cause Footywire has him averaging 4.5 a game this season.
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True. 9 and a 7.
I don't mind Miles though.
After seeing Miles tear us apart first hand this year, could be an option to take Hallahan's spot on the list.
Those couple of 1's really bring his average into perspective. We need a Scott Selwood type looking at the tackle counts he averages nearly 12 a game this season, where is our Scott Selwood?
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Do you rate him?
I'm probably biased as all my family and in laws are mad Geelong and I can't stand them. They say he goes missing too often.
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Am watching Geelong play The Pies and I'm very underwhelmed by their younger players.
The only one I'd consider taking for GAJ would be Cam Guthrie.
Even then I'd expect an extra sweetener on top of it.
The only one I'd consider taking for GAJ would be Cam Guthrie.
Even then I'd expect an extra sweetener on top of it.
What a great bloke
If he's faking injury which is something that Geelong fans are gleefully alleging then all bets are off and it would hopefully motivate Evans/Cochrane to play total hardball and not feel bad one iota if he has to retire.
Don't forget that it's us members and sponsors that have made GAJ a very wealthy young man.
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The smug look on his face at the photo shoot after the game, when supporters were still hurting from the loss, was enough to convince me he has checked out.
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Gary Ablett’s manager says the sale of the midfielder’s house has nothing to do with his footy plans
Tom Boswell, @TomBoswellGCB, Gold Coast Bulletin
August 21, 2017 12:00am
GARY Ablett’s manager, Liam Pickering, says the superstar midfielder decision to sell his Gold Coast home has no relation to his plans for football.
The relisting of Ablett’s Ashmore property has added to speculation that the dual Brownlow Medallist was already planning his departure from the Suns at the end of 2017 despite being contracted until the end of next year.
Pickering staunchly defended Ablett and said his personal plans for his house had nothing to do with his football career.
“Absolutely not. He has been talking about (selling the house) for a couple of years.
“The house is a bit big and he has got a fair bit to maintain so it’s got nothing to do with his decision.
“He has been looking at trying to get rid of it and down size for a good part of 12 months, maybe more. I wouldn’t read too much into the house.”
Ablett’s plans for 2018 have been the centre of attention this season after the former Geelong premiership player requested a trade back to the Cats at the end of last year.
It was shut down at the time and the Suns have been adamant that Ablett is contracted and a required player for next season.
But Ablett has not ruled out asking for another trade this year or retiring.
Pickering said no decision had been made on Ablett’s future and he would discuss it with his client in the coming weeks after the end of the club’s season.
“I need to sit down with Gary at the end of the year,” Pickering said.
“He just wants to get through the season, there is a game left and he wants to play this week and he wants to get over the hamstring injury.
“At the end of the day he is committed and wants to play the next game. We will see what happens after that.
“He is a contracted and that’s the reality. He is a contracted Gold Coast player so that’s about where it sits at the moment.
“We haven’t made a decision even though last year we talked about a trade. It didn’t happen and we said all right, we know the situation from a contractual point of view.”
Pickering said Ablett understood the interest in his future and was philosophical about the discussions surrounding it.
Tom Boswell, @TomBoswellGCB, Gold Coast Bulletin
August 21, 2017 12:00am
GARY Ablett’s manager, Liam Pickering, says the superstar midfielder decision to sell his Gold Coast home has no relation to his plans for football.
The relisting of Ablett’s Ashmore property has added to speculation that the dual Brownlow Medallist was already planning his departure from the Suns at the end of 2017 despite being contracted until the end of next year.
Pickering staunchly defended Ablett and said his personal plans for his house had nothing to do with his football career.
“Absolutely not. He has been talking about (selling the house) for a couple of years.
“The house is a bit big and he has got a fair bit to maintain so it’s got nothing to do with his decision.
“He has been looking at trying to get rid of it and down size for a good part of 12 months, maybe more. I wouldn’t read too much into the house.”
Ablett’s plans for 2018 have been the centre of attention this season after the former Geelong premiership player requested a trade back to the Cats at the end of last year.
It was shut down at the time and the Suns have been adamant that Ablett is contracted and a required player for next season.
But Ablett has not ruled out asking for another trade this year or retiring.
Pickering said no decision had been made on Ablett’s future and he would discuss it with his client in the coming weeks after the end of the club’s season.
“I need to sit down with Gary at the end of the year,” Pickering said.
“He just wants to get through the season, there is a game left and he wants to play this week and he wants to get over the hamstring injury.
“At the end of the day he is committed and wants to play the next game. We will see what happens after that.
“He is a contracted and that’s the reality. He is a contracted Gold Coast player so that’s about where it sits at the moment.
“We haven’t made a decision even though last year we talked about a trade. It didn’t happen and we said all right, we know the situation from a contractual point of view.”
Pickering said Ablett understood the interest in his future and was philosophical about the discussions surrounding it.
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Gary Ablett and Gold Coast need to end standoff before reputations are ruined, writes Mark Robinson
MARK ROBINSON, Herald Sun
August 19, 2017 5:00pm
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IT’S getting ugly for Gary Ablett.
The one-time darling for all AFL supporters because of his sheer white-hot talent, Ablett is arguably staining his reputation.
Veteran coach Paul Roos said Ablett had already mentally checked out of the Gold Coast Suns and is “not fully committed to his club”.
They are damning words, but how can you disagree?
Since Round 15, Ablett has played only three games because of injury as the Suns lurched from calamity to crisis.
Former coach Rodney Eade says he had a tremendous relationship with his former captain, but he would be well aware of the delicateness of Ablett with injury.
Interim coach Dean Solomon was handed the title after Eade departed and Ablett has been a no-show for him, too.
Solomon has waited for seven years to get a crack in what is a torrid time for him and the team — and Ablett hasn’t given him a chop out.
Only Ablett knows the seriousness of his injury, but you have to wonder if Ablett was playing for a team about to play finals, would he play?
It’s ugly now — and it was revealed this week Ablett had put his Gold Cast home up for sale — and it will get uglier.
Suns boss Mark Evans is frustrated with the constant questions about Ablett, as was witnessed this week. More questions will come.
The fact is Ablett signed a three-year worth about $3 million, and wanted out after the first year. He now wants out after the second year. He says he will probably retire with a year to run on his contract, presumably if he’s not traded back to Geelong.
It was blackmail from Ablett and at this stage the Suns’ hand is mainly bluff.
Evans keeps saying Ablett is contracted for 2018, but does anyone really believe the dual Brownlow medallist will be on the Gold Coast next year?
Yep, no one. Probably not even Evans.
Evans is talking tough at the moment, but surely the new coach will carry the most important opinion on Ablett’s future. The new coach will be high on culture and leadership and buy in, and he won’t have a bar of anyone who doesn’t want to be at the club.
When does a CEO decide who’s on the list or not, anyway?
It seems Evans is playing political football with Geelong and Ablett seemingly is playing political football with the Suns.
It is a complex and sad situation for everyone.
What is now clear is Ablett needs Geelong more than Geelong needs Ablett.
AFL legend Wayne Carey believes Ablett owes the Gold Coast to stay.
He probably does owe the Suns because he signed a three-year deal, of which there was significant front-end money. But it’s way beyond who owes who what.
Ablett has taken roughly $10 million from the Gold Coast, but he did play the best football of his career and mostly held up his end of the bargain. But did the Suns?
When he signed in 2010, the vision sold to him would’ve been exactly how it’s been played out at GWS: Struggle early, grow the team, recruit wisely, contend in five years or so.
The Suns haven’t delivered and the AFL has let down Ablett as much as the Suns.
Anyway, not only have the Suns not delivered on their vision, it’s been shambolic.
Ablett might not have been the ideal choice as skipper — Roosy didn’t like that appointment, either — but a drug culture which brought the club to its knees isn’t ideal either.
Not only did the team not win enough games, but it’s PR poster boy Karmichael Hunt gets busted for cocaine offences.
No, the Suns dream has become a nightmare.
There’s no plausible reason why the Suns would keep Ablett and why he won’t be at the Cattery in 2018.
Of course, if the Suns try to drive a ridiculous trade it won’t happen — and Ablett may retire.
That’s a no-win for every party.
There are hurdles. The Suns want some compensation for front-ending Ablett’s contract.
The figures aren’t known, but it’s something like this. The Suns paid Ablett, say, $1.25 million in his first two seasons, meaning only $500,000 remains on the contract.
They probably want a player and/or an early draft selection to offset the money spent.
But the Cats want to follow the Hawthorn blueprint with Sam Mitchell, which was pick No. 88 from West Coast.
Both teams have reasonable arguments, but the Suns might have to suck it up because, after all, they did the front-end deal.
But what if the music stops at the end of the trade period and they don’t trade Ablett, what happens then? He either retires or plays out his final year of footy miserable.
To enable a trade to work, Ablett might have to find a way to help compensate the Suns.
Clearly, he is their best player, a foundation and marquee player, who won a Brownlow Medal at the club.
There is a real danger Ablett could totally shun the club when he finishes, which is poor for their already poor culture. What if Ablett could return to the club after his career is finished, help promote the club, attend corporate gigs, be an ambassador?
No club wants disengaged former champions.
Another hurdle could be the AFL’s involvement. It’s possible the league pays Ablett to promote the game in southeast Queensland and that’s not bang for your buck if Gazza is living in Torquay.
At the moment it’s ugly, Evans has gone to the mattresses, the Cats say there are too many issues, Gazza isn’t playing and his house is on the market.
It’s best for everyone, and certainly best for Ablett, that he returns to Geelong.
Because if not, Ablett will probably retire and never set foot back in the joint. That’s ugly for everyone.
MARK ROBINSON, Herald Sun
August 19, 2017 5:00pm
Subscriber only
IT’S getting ugly for Gary Ablett.
The one-time darling for all AFL supporters because of his sheer white-hot talent, Ablett is arguably staining his reputation.
Veteran coach Paul Roos said Ablett had already mentally checked out of the Gold Coast Suns and is “not fully committed to his club”.
They are damning words, but how can you disagree?
Since Round 15, Ablett has played only three games because of injury as the Suns lurched from calamity to crisis.
Former coach Rodney Eade says he had a tremendous relationship with his former captain, but he would be well aware of the delicateness of Ablett with injury.
Interim coach Dean Solomon was handed the title after Eade departed and Ablett has been a no-show for him, too.
Solomon has waited for seven years to get a crack in what is a torrid time for him and the team — and Ablett hasn’t given him a chop out.
Only Ablett knows the seriousness of his injury, but you have to wonder if Ablett was playing for a team about to play finals, would he play?
It’s ugly now — and it was revealed this week Ablett had put his Gold Cast home up for sale — and it will get uglier.
Suns boss Mark Evans is frustrated with the constant questions about Ablett, as was witnessed this week. More questions will come.
The fact is Ablett signed a three-year worth about $3 million, and wanted out after the first year. He now wants out after the second year. He says he will probably retire with a year to run on his contract, presumably if he’s not traded back to Geelong.
It was blackmail from Ablett and at this stage the Suns’ hand is mainly bluff.
Evans keeps saying Ablett is contracted for 2018, but does anyone really believe the dual Brownlow medallist will be on the Gold Coast next year?
Yep, no one. Probably not even Evans.
Evans is talking tough at the moment, but surely the new coach will carry the most important opinion on Ablett’s future. The new coach will be high on culture and leadership and buy in, and he won’t have a bar of anyone who doesn’t want to be at the club.
When does a CEO decide who’s on the list or not, anyway?
It seems Evans is playing political football with Geelong and Ablett seemingly is playing political football with the Suns.
It is a complex and sad situation for everyone.
What is now clear is Ablett needs Geelong more than Geelong needs Ablett.
AFL legend Wayne Carey believes Ablett owes the Gold Coast to stay.
He probably does owe the Suns because he signed a three-year deal, of which there was significant front-end money. But it’s way beyond who owes who what.
Ablett has taken roughly $10 million from the Gold Coast, but he did play the best football of his career and mostly held up his end of the bargain. But did the Suns?
When he signed in 2010, the vision sold to him would’ve been exactly how it’s been played out at GWS: Struggle early, grow the team, recruit wisely, contend in five years or so.
The Suns haven’t delivered and the AFL has let down Ablett as much as the Suns.
Anyway, not only have the Suns not delivered on their vision, it’s been shambolic.
Ablett might not have been the ideal choice as skipper — Roosy didn’t like that appointment, either — but a drug culture which brought the club to its knees isn’t ideal either.
Not only did the team not win enough games, but it’s PR poster boy Karmichael Hunt gets busted for cocaine offences.
No, the Suns dream has become a nightmare.
There’s no plausible reason why the Suns would keep Ablett and why he won’t be at the Cattery in 2018.
Of course, if the Suns try to drive a ridiculous trade it won’t happen — and Ablett may retire.
That’s a no-win for every party.
There are hurdles. The Suns want some compensation for front-ending Ablett’s contract.
The figures aren’t known, but it’s something like this. The Suns paid Ablett, say, $1.25 million in his first two seasons, meaning only $500,000 remains on the contract.
They probably want a player and/or an early draft selection to offset the money spent.
But the Cats want to follow the Hawthorn blueprint with Sam Mitchell, which was pick No. 88 from West Coast.
Both teams have reasonable arguments, but the Suns might have to suck it up because, after all, they did the front-end deal.
But what if the music stops at the end of the trade period and they don’t trade Ablett, what happens then? He either retires or plays out his final year of footy miserable.
To enable a trade to work, Ablett might have to find a way to help compensate the Suns.
Clearly, he is their best player, a foundation and marquee player, who won a Brownlow Medal at the club.
There is a real danger Ablett could totally shun the club when he finishes, which is poor for their already poor culture. What if Ablett could return to the club after his career is finished, help promote the club, attend corporate gigs, be an ambassador?
No club wants disengaged former champions.
Another hurdle could be the AFL’s involvement. It’s possible the league pays Ablett to promote the game in southeast Queensland and that’s not bang for your buck if Gazza is living in Torquay.
At the moment it’s ugly, Evans has gone to the mattresses, the Cats say there are too many issues, Gazza isn’t playing and his house is on the market.
It’s best for everyone, and certainly best for Ablett, that he returns to Geelong.
Because if not, Ablett will probably retire and never set foot back in the joint. That’s ugly for everyone.
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GHS is anything but soft, he is the bloke on the bottom of the pack every time
He isn't quick, and is really just an average to serviceable player.. but soft is as far away from accurate as you could get
also I have zero clue if he would be involved in any trade or if any trade would actually happen
I'm not following Robbo's Melbourne Centric logic in that article. If GAJ goes then he's no longer welcome here post retirement. End of story.
If the Sums are correct then what GAJ could do is pay us back $500k to buy out his contract.
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My whole family (both sides) are mad Geelong. I'll listen to what they say about him. Goes missing when the heat is on.
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I'd suggest that is more a case of his lack of ability rather than being soft.
He puts his head over the ball all game long and doesn't shirk at contest... he isn't soft
or we have a wildly different view of what soft is
and to be honest I am not sure if he even would be a part of it.. is really just the same as that Hallahan bloke from Hawthorn you got
Robbo outlines the situation but just guesses at what each party is prepared to do.
Geelong want a Mitchell deal - it's a bit different - 1) we haven't gone to him and ask him to look at other options 2) Hawks needed salary cap space 3) Mitchell couldn't play in the same midfield given his lack of pace once they picked up Mitchell and JOM 4) you wouldn't think Mitchell got front loaded deals during the recent premiership years
It will be funny if no deal gets struck for him at the deadline - the Melbourne media will go into meltdown and the pressure will go onto Gaz - retire or play for GC
New coach would then come in and just lay it out - you 100% commit for 2018 or you can retire right now
I CGAF if Ablett never comes back to the club, and he probably wouldn't unless he was paid an appearance fee
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I'll never question the courage of any AFL player.
I regard Hall as soft as he can win his own ball but on occasions he won't chase / tackle, run both ways.
Horlin Smith in some games has 9 tackles but then a stretch of games with 0-2 tackles, no pressure acts, no 1%ers.
If that's because he's slow no problems. We have finished 18th in tackles and apart from a few, we are a very soft team who refuse to work hard when we don't have the ball. Solomon is talking about playing Sydney style and you only know too well what that involves. Players who can't or won't run both ways don't fit into that plan.
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I may well be off the mark, my view of him is that he tries hard, he works hard
he is slow as treacle and if anything he goes to ground too often in the pack, so he is immediately out of the contest in terms of being able to tackle.
He can be very good at winning the footy and dishing it out though
After reading this discussion on GHS, Geelong will need to do a lot better than offer us him. Forget it.
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