List Mgmt. Father / Son / Daughter Selections

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Sorry, i found this a tad confusing .......so this clarifies the situation in that 197 points is equivalent to pick 56 ......so it's 20% discount or 197 points, whichever is greater

From the rules the bolded bit is the most important
If He nominates the Crows and nobody bids on him before pick 56 we can use pick 86 for him

"The listng of F/S players and local Academy graduates is facilitated in later rounds because the discount rises steadily from 20% in Round 1 to 100% at pick 56 (if a player is bid from this point, a Nominaing Club need only use their last pick in the draft to list the player)."

http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf
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[Danger in Texas]

For mine I reckon we'd be keen to get our 1st rounder for 2017 involved in a trade either this year or next year knowing that we'd have Edwards (who already looks 1st round quality) coming through to us

This is the one thing I can see happening. If we don't trade our first pick this year or next for some form of asset (e.g. Rockliff/Gibbs/2016 1st), we may have to use our first for Edwards next year (assuming he's good enough), which means we don't get the key forward we so desire, anyway.

 

[treeman]

From the rules the bolded bit is the most important
If He nominates the Crows and nobody bids on him before pick 56 we can use pick 86 for him

"The listng of F/S players and local Academy graduates is facilitated in later rounds because the discount rises steadily from 20% in Round 1 to 100% at pick 56 (if a player is bid from this point, a Nominaing Club need only use their last pick in the draft to list the player)."

http://www.afl.com.au/staticfile/AFL Tenant/AFL/Files/Father-son-bidding-system.pdf
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Dream scenario!

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[Ozzie]

According to trade radio Darren said it's better for Ben's career to choose hawthorn and then move back to south Australia in a few years if that's what he wants. I'm not what his reasons would be for thinking that though.

He would be dead to me if he chooses the Hawks. The price we pay in this draft is nothing to what we would have to pay if he came back.
Gibbs is an example of what I mean. We would have got the #1 pick for a 3rd rounder. This year he will still cost us a 1st rounder plus.
His old man turned his back on us in the beginning and then came back costing us plenty. Sure he won us flags but he pissed off in the beginning. Is the son truly a chip off the old block?

 

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Just done some quick sums, if Ben Jarmen selects the Crows,
Anything between pick
35 to 37 = round 3 and 4 pick
38 and 51 = our round 3 pick at 50
52 to 55 = our round 4 pick,
56 plus = our last pick
Using the current Indicative draft order and assuming it after pick 18.
Discount = 197, Pick 50 = 273 points, pick 68 = 59 points

 

[Apsaalooke]

He would be dead to me if he chooses the Hawks. The price we pay in this draft is nothing to what we would have to pay if he came back.
Gibbs is an example of what I mean. We would have got the #1 pick for a 3rd rounder. This year he will still cost us a 1st rounder plus.
His old man turned his back on us in the beginning and then came back costing us plenty. Sure he won us flags but he pissed off in the beginning. Is the son truly a chip off the old block?

Worst part is I think thats the pick we eventually used for DMac

 

[headache1]

Worst part is I think thats the pick we eventually used for DMac

I really didn't want to know this.

 

[Ozzie]

Worst part is I think thats the pick we eventually used for DMac

You had to remind us all.

 

[marty36]

I think father son picks feel a fair bit overrated, there will be some sliders in the draft and if those players get through to the third or even fourth round and we rate them, would you take Jarman, one kid who shows a lot but has a huge chance to slide although I think he will go around 35 is Villis played some good solid league footy for Norwood looked a lot better than Jarman, but yet we could see ourselves playing the nostalgia card if they are both available at the same pick

 

[Jeffcrowe]

He would be dead to me if he chooses the Hawks. The price we pay in this draft is nothing to what we would have to pay if he came back.
Gibbs is an example of what I mean. We would have got the #1 pick for a 3rd rounder. This year he will still cost us a 1st rounder plus.
His old man turned his back on us in the beginning and then came back costing us plenty. Sure he won us flags but he pissed off in the beginning. Is the son truly a chip off the old block?

His old man only cost us pick 25 - daylight robbery

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Just done some quick sums, if Ben Jarmen selects the Crows,
Anything between pick
35 to 37 = round 3 and 4 pick
38 and 51 = our round 3 pick at 50
52 to 55 = our round 4 pick,
56 plus = our last pick
Using the current Indicative draft order and assuming it after pick 18.
Discount = 197, Pick 50 = 273 points, pick 68 = 59 points

if I had to bet I'd say it will be a bid between 38 and 51 costing us our 3rd round

 

[Ozzie]

His old man only cost us pick 25 - daylight robbery

This is clearly wrong. Hawthorn paid pick 10 to Brisbane for his rights in 1990. When the Crows were formed in 1991 he had a blue with Kerley and went to Hawks after the blue. He was a Crow to be at the time. He walked out on the Crows and his brother. Now he is shafting us again by telling his son to join the Hawks, according to media reports.

When he came back to us it was a 3-way trade: Paul Salmon went to the Hawks from Essendon, Sean Wellman went to Essendon and Jarman came to us plus a host of picks to the 3 clubs. We lost a damn great player in Wellman so don't try and tell me it was for pick 25.

 

[Elite Crow]

This is clearly wrong. Hawthorn paid pick 10 to Brisbane for his rights in 1990. When the Crows were formed in 1991 he had a blue with Kerley and went to Hawks after the blue. He was a Crow to be at the time. He walked out on the Crows and his brother. Now he is shafting us again by telling his son to join the Hawks, according to media reports.

When he came back to us it was a 3-way trade: Paul Salmon went to the Hawks from Essendon, Sean Wellman went to Essendon and Jarman came to us plus a host of picks to the 3 clubs. We lost a damn great player in Wellman so don't try and tell me it was for pick 25.

Do you know why he had a blue with Kerley because that might be important to know before throwing stones.

 

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if I had to bet I'd say it will be a bid between 38 and 51 costing us our 3rd round

yea thinking that way as well while hoping it after 56

 

[Vader]

Just done some quick sums, if Ben Jarmen selects the Crows,
Anything between pick
35 to 37 = round 3 and 4 pick
38 and 51 = our round 3 pick at 50
52 to 55 = our round 4 pick,
56 plus = our last pick
Using the current Indicative draft order and assuming it after pick 18.
Discount = 197, Pick 50 = 273 points, pick 68 = 59 points

Almost correct.. we can't be forced to use pick #50 to match a bid made at #51.

 

[Croweater23]

This is clearly wrong. Hawthorn paid pick 10 to Brisbane for his rights in 1990. When the Crows were formed in 1991 he had a blue with Kerley and went to Hawks after the blue. He was a Crow to be at the time. He walked out on the Crows and his brother. Now he is shafting us again by telling his son to join the Hawks, according to media reports.

When he came back to us it was a 3-way trade: Paul Salmon went to the Hawks from Essendon, Sean Wellman went to Essendon and Jarman came to us plus a host of picks to the 3 clubs. We lost a damn great player in Wellman so don't try and tell me it was for pick 25.

... such negative undertones for a man that (with a little help) won us 2 premierships

 

[Ozzie]

... such negative undertones for a man that (with a little help) won us 2 premierships

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad he was here for the flags, but all these years later I'm still bitter he turned his back on us after a blue with a crotchety, old, curmudgeon. He should have sucked it up and stayed with us. He had already knocked back Vic teams twice in the years preceding this. My point is this, he cost us plenty to get him back and the same will apply to BJ if he goes over there. Getting reamed once is enough for me. This is why I don't particularly want to pay the price it will take to get Gibbs here.

 

[Apsaalooke]

Do you know why he had a blue with Kerley because that might be important to know before throwing stones.

Don't think they had a blue. Kerley said they had a handshake deal but Jarman then reneged. I suspect Kerley didn't snuggle up to him like Hawthorn would have, possibly because he was also dealing with 51 other players and took Jarman at his word.

 

[Bicks]

Don't think they had a blue. Kerley said they had a handshake deal but Jarman then reneged. I suspect Kerley didn't snuggle up to him like Hawthorn would have, possibly because he was also dealing with 51 other players and took Jarman at his word.

Yeah, really shits me how people continually bring Kerls into it when it was actually Darren that did the dirty!!

 

[Maggsy]

Amazing to think,. in 3 years time, we could have another Jarman, Hart, Edwards and Smart running around in crows colours... Dare to dream..

 

[Elite Crow]

Don't think they had a blue. Kerley said they had a handshake deal but Jarman then reneged. I suspect Kerley didn't snuggle up to him like Hawthorn would have, possibly because he was also dealing with 51 other players and took Jarman at his word.

Yeah, really shits me how people continually bring Kerls into it when it was actually Darren that did the dirty!!

You guys don't know what happened and sorry I can't say.

 

[beartoo]

You guys don't know what happened and sorry I can't say.

Now that is maddening. Can you PM the info?

 

[Elite Crow]

Now that is maddening. Can you PM the info?

No sorry, let's just say we stuffed it up.

 

[Elite Crow]

Listening to Tyson Edwards this morning I'm pretty sure he wants his boys to be Crows players.

His 14 year is already 6 foot. If only he was ready to play next year.

 

[Ozzie]

Yeah, really shits me how people continually bring Kerls into it when it was actually Darren that did the dirty!!

They did have a blue, it's documented somewhere. I think IIRC I read it in Andrew's book, "Jarman Magic." It doesn't matter the fact is he had made a solid commitment and then buggered off to a "real football club". Those were his exact words, those I remember clearly. Kerls was an arseh*le in a lot of ways but the way that went down it was DJ's fault anyway you look at it.