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i just watched the reply, it litterally only just hung on lol.
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Racing February Daily Punt: Sorting out the squibs from the cats
Sure, horses and dogs can show form reversals, it happens.
When one runner takes off, entirely on its own, leading by 12-15 lengths (or more) until the home turn, and nobody in the field shows the slightest inclination to at least make a run, then it becomes a jockey initiative issue.
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I always wonder why people complain about jockeys letting horses alone, do you want them to destroy their own rides for the benefit of the other horses in the race?
I always wonder why people don't understand the concept of a race - eg, where the object is that participants aim to be in front at the finish line.
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i think you proved my point. Why take off early and then cart other horses into the race. Its not as simple as oh i better make my move now, you got to worry about whether you are on the best horse or is the horse going to find if its used all its energy chasing the leader. Horses have won at 100/1 throughout history for many reasons, it happens, its not always the fault of the other jockeys.
You have proven mine. Take out the SP for a minute of the winner, then watch the replay in the link below (go to Race 2). Take particular note of the pack that form the rest of the runners throughout, and in particular, how none change position at all until well in the straight. As I said in the first place, this is about initiative of jockeys involved and their willingness to use some. Also take note of the respective Benchmarks of the runners in the race in the race list - the winner was a BM47, next best was a 56.
To be clear - I had no financial interest at all in this race, had it on the background but saw it and wondered throughout why not one other jockey was willing to make any move whatsoever on their mounts until way too late.
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It's just more evidence that jockeys have absolutely NFI how to ride in a race which if you haven't realised by now has been the case in Australia for at least 5 years and yet again massive evidence why we need pacemakers in this country so they will learn how to.
PS - being the horse that drags the rest of the field up to the tearaway leader is actually an excellent strategy more often that not.
PS - being the horse that drags the rest of the field up to the tearaway leader is actually an excellent strategy more often that not.
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iYou have proven mine. Take out the SP for a minute of the winner, then watch the replay in the link below (go to Race 2). Take particular note of the pack that form the rest of the runners throughout, and in particular, how none change position at all until well in the straight. As I said in the first place, this is about initiative of jockeys involved and their willingness to use some. Also take note of the respective Benchmarks of the runners in the race in the race list - the winner was a BM47, next best was a 56.
To be clear - I had no financial interest at all in this race, had it on the background but saw it and wondered throughout why not one other jockey was willing to make any move whatsoever on their mounts until way too late.
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Maybe the jockeys have seen it capitulate in the past, and it didnt this time. It happens. I am actually surprised that leaders dont try this tactic more. It gets the horses off the bit a long way from home and its sometimes hard to run them down.
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show me a race where that has happened
one example please
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Hey TJM, check ur PMs when you get a minute. Cheers
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So often the one dragging them up gets to the leader and its too late for anything else to get past it - 'carrying the field up' is a myth
If you are leading the pack behind the tearaway, isnt that effectively just the same as leading. You can choose to build speed slowly if you want or run at whatever speed your horse is comfortable with. If it's good enough it will win
Nah it takes away a lot of the positives that come with leading and just leaves the negatives. Can't just go at whatever speed is comfortable or you get examples like the one here
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Like the one here today where the second horse just went along at its own tempo and the speed it was comfortable at?
What positives does it possibly take away? lel
Pikey in the second last ! And last !
What one? The race posted here where the horses chose to go at their own speed and lost?
The horse carting the field up is forced to run at a stronger tempo to keep up with the actual leader. Takes away a major benefit of actually leading. Still have to navigate another horse rather than having clean air
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What one? The race posted here where the horses chose to go at their own speed and lost?
The horse carting the field up is forced to run at a stronger tempo to keep up with the actual leader. Takes away a major benefit of actually leading. Still have to navigate another horse rather than having clean air
No its not - thats the whole point of this discussion - the race has a tearaway leader and the horse leading the pack can go what ever gallop it wants to.
Still have to navigate one horse 10 lengths ahead of you?! Fmd lol
Wouldn’t everyone just vote for the favorite then?
(I know I didn’t)
(I know I didn’t)
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smart ppl would be picking a horse that might get voted 8 to 10th. more chance of getting picked and winning a decent amount!
Yeah it can go a nice steady gallop and never get near the 100-1 shot running along in front like today if it wants
Usually want to pick a reasonable horse that is down the order but still in the race. Having more chance to get drawn out usually a better option than a slightly better chance of finishing 1st
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