Player Watch Fischer McAsey - Steps Away from Football, Not Returning

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Recruiters would have a network of people (junior coaches, observers, draft enthusiasts, experienced footy heads) that they've built up over time.

People who "know football" and the recruiters value their judgment, know they can trust them. This network would extend beyond the paid personnel at the club.

 

[Mutineer]

Recruiters would have a network of people (junior coaches, observers, draft enthusiasts, experienced footy heads) that they've built up over time.

People who "know football" and the recruiters value their judgment, know they can trust them. This network would extend beyond the paid personnel at the club.

Correct I know how fastidious our guys are through talking to former long serving Rebels talent manager Phil 'Parto' Partington and formerRebels coach Gerard Fitzgerald and other Rebels staffers. Most AFL clubs would be the same.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Correct I know how fastidious our guys are through talking to former long serving Rebels talent manager Phil 'Parto' Partington and formerRebels coach Gerard Fitzgerald and other Rebels staffers. Most AFL clubs would be the same.

Yep. And I'm sure they get opinions on players from other teams from these coaches too, not just their own charges.

I don't know but I suspect a recruiter's "circle of trust" would be quite small. A tight group of trusted eyes and ears they can bounce stuff off and get opinions from. Sure they might speak to a huge array of people but there's a weighting.

 

[WeeBlake]

I am (almost) as critical if our recruiters’ record as any on here, but I refuse to believe that someone told them there were real question marks about his desire to play footy, and we decided picked a slow kpd at pick 6 anyway. It can’t be true.

“He’s a different cat” and “he’s got a wide range of interests”, and “he’s not obsessed with footy” are not the same as “I’m not even sure he really wants to play footy”.

 

[Grooster24]

Appears more and more like this guy....

 

[1970crow]

But it also reflects poorly on the coach if he omits key information and the player is a bust

He’s only omitting his personal gut feel. I’m sure Fish never told him plainly that he isn’t certain he wants to be a pro footballer for the next dozen years.

 

[jackster83]

Will be interesting to see who gets wheeled out for the next presser, knowing that half the questions will be about McAsey.

 

[dazzledavey36]

Does this goose think we have it in for Sandringham players in particular? If there’s a problem with Sandringham players prospering at Adelaide (I’m not convinced), but not other TAC clubs, that would point to a problem with how Sandringham is preparing its kids for the realities of AFL life.
Edit - I am open to the idea that more Sandringham kids (who are more likely from the richest and snobbiest parts of Melbourne) will not want to come to Adelaide for snobby reasons

Not just Sandringham dragons but private school boys in general in Melbourne.

Would not be surprised one bit if majority of players that asked to be traded back home to Melbourne are previous private school boys. Some of these kids can't genuinely hack it being away from their families because they know everything has been handed to them without earning it. Once they're out of their comfort zone, it's a reality shock to some and that's where they simply struggle.

Clubs have better strike rate with country based footballers from the bush.

 

[Mutineer]

Not just Sandringham dragons but private school boys in general in Melbourne.

Would not be surprised one bit if majority of players that asked to be traded back home to Melbourne are previous private school boys. Some of these kids can't genuinely hack it being away from their families because they know everything has been handed to them without earning it. Once they're out of their comfort zone, it's a reality shock to some and that's where they simply struggle.

Clubs have better strike rate with country based footballers from the bush.

In recent times quite a few country based lads have schooled/boarded at Melbourne's Private Schools some via sporting scholarships , same with quite a few SA country based lads, some that come immediately to mind are Ugle-Hagan, Rachele, Chesser, Hollands etc. Vic seaside suburbs based Private school lads especially are a bit of a worry.

Give me a VC lad over a VM lad everyday.

 

[WeeBlake]

Not just Sandringham dragons but private school boys in general in Melbourne.

Would not be surprised one bit if majority of players that asked to be traded back home to Melbourne are previous private school boys. Some of these kids can't genuinely hack it being away from their families because they know everything has been handed to them without earning it. Once they're out of their comfort zone, it's a reality shock to some and that's where they simply struggle.

Clubs have better strike rate with country based footballers from the bush.

I think it’s more to do with some of them, their families and friends, thinking Adelaide is place to be mocked or pitied, and not wanting to live in or be associated with such a place. It’s a real and pretty widespread attitude over here, and for a few of them it might seem to be a problem.

 

[cleanhands]

In recent times quite a few country based lads have schooled/boarded at Melbourne's Private Schools some via sporting scholarships , same with quite a few SA country based lads, some that come immediately to mind are Ugle-Hagan, Rachele, Chesser, Hollands etc. Vic seaside suburbs based Private school lads especially are a bit of a worry.

Give me a VC lad over a VM lad everyday.

ill employee a country kid over a city 95% of the time

 

[BunjiMac]

After reading that HS clip (thanks Mutineer ) I'm firmly of the view that this * up is on our recruiting team.

If you can't deduce a kids genuine love for the game in testing (or can and are arrogant enough to ignore it) then the process and people need a clean out.

This isn't a mental health issue, it's a motivation issue. * me, we blew our highest pick at the time on a slow "KPD" who was still working out if he wanted to play the game.

Why did they not get this info from Sandringham before the draft?

Because 80 percent of the crowd recruitment teams focus is on exposed form at junior level. 10 percent goes to draft combine results, 5 percent to family background and 5 percent bonus if you are Tasmanian.

 

[rabidcrow]

You think that the Dragons coach had more loyalty to a recruiter from an interstate AFL club than a kid that he has coached all year and whose success reflects positively on him.

Of course he ain't gonna tell recruiters that Fishers heart isn't in it.



Well thats a different story.

Fish made AA so was always going to be drafted relativity early regardless of what his coach said. The fact he was clearly the best KPP of his year suggests any issues re motivation were unlikely to have stood out strongly anyway


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[pjcrows]

Good luck to the lad, I hope he finds success and happiness.

In terms of recruitment - an absolute disaster.

 

[1970crow]

Lying to the media in a public interview and lying to an AFL club in a private interview are very different. Neither are great but in a private environment I'd definitely be expecting honest feedback

He’s not going to torpedo a career based upon what is essentially a hunch. He’s probably thought similar about lots of players that had good careers. And there’d be a fair bit of hindsight and understanding current situation in what he’s saying now. But 3 years ago, when asked whether he thought Fish would make a high quality AFL player, he’d have answered yes. There is no question about this.

 

[1970crow]

In comparison to regular people working 40 hours a week, yes. Not even close to elite level athletes in the top codes of other nations.

In a game here that will have men in their late twenties unable to pick up their children or walk up the stairs to bed in the early half of the week, all going on behind the scenes, while regular fans call them weak or pea hearted for a less than full committed effort to a high impact contest on the weekend.

And you reckon it’s just the elite level players that live like that through their late 20s and into their 30s?

 

[1970crow]

Why, because he's not a rabid lefty like you?

Shock that the 2 to comment negatively are rampant lefties. I wonder how many similar comments we can find prior to the JP photo?

 

[1970crow]

No, my opinion is based on conversations ive had with him.

Presumably you can find a post suggesting similar prior to the JP post then. I’ll wait.

 

[1990crow]

Presumably you can find a post suggesting similar prior to the JP post then. I’ll wait.

Feenix has been running his podcast for 7 years, about as long as ROB has been on our list.

I'll wait.

 

[John Who]

After reading that HS clip (thanks Mutineer ) I'm firmly of the view that this * up is on our recruiting team.

If you can't deduce a kids genuine love for the game in testing (or can and are arrogant enough to ignore it) then the process and people need a clean out.

This isn't a mental health issue, it's a motivation issue. * me, we blew our highest pick at the time on a slow "KPD" who was still working out if he wanted to play the game.

Why did they not get this info from Sandringham before the draft?

This is an overly simplistic summation of the situation. Draft picks aren’t an exact science for starters. But you’re making a big assumption that he’s always been an unmotivated fella, and that there can’t be any mental health issues going on during these past few years?

There are 2 separate issues how I see it here, could we have done better with the profiling in our draft selection back then? Probably yes. Then there’s the issue of life circumstances hindering his progress no matter where he plays. Hamish and Co. can guess his level of motivation, but they can’t guess future traumatic events happening to the young draftee. That’s pretty unreasonable to expect of Hamish/club.

 

[John Who]

Colour me surprised that one of our highest drafted young players just ups and quits football after a few years with us.

What are you hinting at, considering he’s our first young draftee (21 and under) to go on a personal leave and then quit. Others have been delisted or traded if not suited with us.

 

[Carmo]

This board has a meltdown over an imperfect science producing an imperfect result.

Some have a pet theory that its the recruitment teams fault and try to find evidence to confirm (ation bias) their theory, others have other theories and try to find evidence to confirm that.

Its not the first imperfect result in recruitment and it won't be the last. There'll be more. Deal with it.

 

[John Who]

This board has a meltdown over an imperfect science producing an imperfect result.

Some have a pet theory that its the recruitment teams fault and try to find evidence to confirm (ation bias) their theory, others have other theories and try to find evidence to confirm that.

Its not the first imperfect result in recruitment and it won't be the last. There'll be more. Deal with it.

It’s like I hired you for a job. 3 years later, you decided to quit and the staff all turn and look at me “it’s all your fault for hiring Carmo!”

 

[George Kramer]

This board has a meltdown over an imperfect science producing an imperfect result.

Some have a pet theory that its the recruitment teams fault and try to find evidence to confirm (ation bias) their theory, others have other theories and try to find evidence to confirm that.

Its not the first imperfect result in recruitment and it won't be the last. There'll be more. Deal with it.

As some posters just sprout shit and we have to deal with it

 

[Mostyn]

But it also reflects poorly on the coach if he omits key information and the player is a bust

Have you ever heard the SA coaches discuss our juniors?

They say all sorts of over the top rubbish to try and get their boys an opportunity in the big leagues.