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I thought Sayers was the saviour.
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I heard Lloyd made the phone call......oh wrong phone call. Sorry ignore.
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I heard Lloyd made the phone call......oh wrong phone call. Sorry ignore.
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Whatever they say is so they can earn a living -- reality is the board for many years has meddled in business instead of doing what a board does (which isn't a club committee ) that is put people in place to run the club and are only overseeing on behalf of the members ; The CEO (football GM is his conduit to football department) and coach (through the director of football )are really the only two staff that should be answerable to the board ..
all I hear from media is big Jack done this big -Jack would do that " this is carlton "..- well that's all nonsense --before Elliot we won 6 premierships in 14 years and the core of 87 was there already . Yes we went and hired barrassi to right the ship started to go out of control got Parkin -- Elliot with his disposable attitude won 2 premiership in 20 years and left the place in a position that it has won 2 in 40 years ....
All I hope is Sayers is smart enough to try and put the right people in place step back go to the footy and enjoy himself -- for all I know he has sat on the board doing his time working himself into this position to run it his way -- actually before his appointment I hadn't heard of him hopefully after round 1 I won't need to hear from him again ..
all I hear from media is big Jack done this big -Jack would do that " this is carlton "..- well that's all nonsense --before Elliot we won 6 premierships in 14 years and the core of 87 was there already . Yes we went and hired barrassi to right the ship started to go out of control got Parkin -- Elliot with his disposable attitude won 2 premiership in 20 years and left the place in a position that it has won 2 in 40 years ....
All I hope is Sayers is smart enough to try and put the right people in place step back go to the footy and enjoy himself -- for all I know he has sat on the board doing his time working himself into this position to run it his way -- actually before his appointment I hadn't heard of him hopefully after round 1 I won't need to hear from him again ..
I know there have been murmurings of board spills for some time and currently I am really against that however this period with our next coach needs to be last chance for our current board IMO.
We've had a lot of coaches this century and made a failure out of all of them, it doesn't take a genius to see the problem is not the coaches but something higher up. Should the next coach be a failure, then what must change must be higher up.
Now I like Sayers and his first impression to me is a really positive one however our board and it's makeup is still a similar mix to what it has been for some time now. Financially the board have done a great job, we are out of debt, we are flying off the field and that is great. Sayers is making big calls and big changes but he's not the first to do so.
I think it's likely Sayers is going to be a good president and make some good changes to the club however the pressure must be on.
I think if a heavily corporate board made up of wealthy business people again sees a fallout with a coach or a failed coach then you would think time is up.
Fingers crossed this time is a success but if it's more of the same then I think a new board needs to be seriously looked into.
Reckon this has to be make or break for our board, the pressure must be on them as a whole as much as anyone IMO.
We've had a lot of coaches this century and made a failure out of all of them, it doesn't take a genius to see the problem is not the coaches but something higher up. Should the next coach be a failure, then what must change must be higher up.
Now I like Sayers and his first impression to me is a really positive one however our board and it's makeup is still a similar mix to what it has been for some time now. Financially the board have done a great job, we are out of debt, we are flying off the field and that is great. Sayers is making big calls and big changes but he's not the first to do so.
I think it's likely Sayers is going to be a good president and make some good changes to the club however the pressure must be on.
I think if a heavily corporate board made up of wealthy business people again sees a fallout with a coach or a failed coach then you would think time is up.
Fingers crossed this time is a success but if it's more of the same then I think a new board needs to be seriously looked into.
Reckon this has to be make or break for our board, the pressure must be on them as a whole as much as anyone IMO.
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Our current board has only 2 members who were here before 2018. Why are the others guilty by association?
Why can't any of them have had different ideas but been outvoted?
If anything, a mix of old and new is the right way to go.
As for coaches, if we made failures out of all of them, does that mean you think all of them would have succeeded if retained? The odds are dramatically against that.
More about the same kind of people than the same people, or is that off the mark?
They most definitely can have different ideas and I hope they do.
Succeeded if retained? We will never know, the sad thing is that some would have and did at other clubs.
I hope the new crew are up to it, but tell me this, where will your opinion sit if we get more of the same with the new coach? Will you be ok just sacking him and moving on with the same board?
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The same board or the same type?
Depends on who is there still and what they bring
It is clear this is predominantly Sayers here and he will be gone in 3-4 years regardless. Mathieson will be gone within 3.
Not sure that Kinnersley or Campbell should be attributed with failures of the past, and the new 4 certainly get a fresh start.
People stepping down from the board before that point, yeah sure, but it still depends on who is replacing them.
We need clear minded and transparent people who have the network to keep sponsors coming in. They need to think and act professionally. Passion alone does not cut it.
On Ch7 News tonight, it was reported by Browne that Diesel is currently full time at the club in his own office in the role of Executive Director of Football. Browne also stated that his role is not voluntary and is being paid.
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Pagan just needs to shut up himself...him and Mick Shithouse are like a broken record...
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I have found it to be quite insightful. Two experienced premiership coaches with 5 premierships and 5 GF appearances between them, who are in a pretty good position to comment on the situation the club finds itself in.
Malthouse's comments about CFC living on their past glories and dragging them around like a ball and chain is 100% spot on.
Pagan and his snake pit comments, just as valid.
Instead of learning from all of this Sayers has just continued on the trend of previous administrations and just fired anybody he could.
Instead of hiring the best coach, we will probably have to choose between a coach who has been out of coaching for three years and stated he hated the job or some very qualified assistant(s) who are ready to step up. Personally, I would prefer the latter.
Apart from again demonstrating to the world that our club is run by fools, we also highlight this addiction we have to dictatorial type of leaders, whether on the Board or as figureheads. Even if Clarkson miraculously changes his mind and accepts the position, I promise you as night follows day, it will only take a few months for the sniping and dissatisfaction to start behind the scenes. The club just cannot help itself.
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let it go moods. lets look for a better future.
I was too busy with other things around the time pagan was coaching so i dont have too much to say about him apart from he should just shut the **** up now that it was over 15 years ago
However the MMalthouse appointment I can still remember like it happened yesterday. I cant say in words how ****ing disappointed I was when we got that dickhead.
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I have been told that since 2012...look to the future, but nothing changes. Can't you see the insanity we are part of??
Sacked Swan and Ratten, appointed Malthouse and sacked him along with trigg, then sacked Bolton and Teague and Liddle, but now we are going to have a fresh start..
We both know this is rubbish...
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we just live in hope it will turn around soon
i like this sayers dude. if we get someone like cook, i believe footy department will improve.
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Players and in game actions make coaches . Would love best 22 to state
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need a coach that can get the best out of our players. Look at bevo for example.
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That really does make him seem like a patsy or plant, even if they're just paying him part time to observe and report on a more regular basis than a director would normally do.
Greg doesn't exactly have a huge history of being a calm and capable communicator of information.
Greg doesn't exactly have a huge history of being a calm and capable communicator of information.
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I burst a haemmorhoid the other day that was more capable with the media than MLG
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The club is just a different place now. The playing list, footy department, rebuild, most of the board. Its just not the same place. Sayers actions are unique in the last 20 years as a president. Let's wait and see.
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I’ll say it again, Sayers is making all the right moves. Like.
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Its the board, the backers, the factions and the behind the scene string pullers.
Every coach of the past 20 years has been a favorite of/ and or sacked by those in the shadows with big wallets, big voices or both. Ditto CEO's, Recruiters and so forth. Liddle expended his political capital moving on SOS. SOS has now had the last laugh. Now both of them are sacked.
Sayers is both attempting a clean out for stability, while also pandering to the factions (as can be seen by concessions he was forced to make re Lyon which had Ross pull out of the running). Leaks are flying hard and fast by all sides in the conflict seeking to shore up their own positions.
And on and on and on it goes. The most unstable club in the land tears itself apart again.
How on earth can we ever have the unity required when all this behind the scenes bullshit just keeps playing out.
Who on earth would want a job at Carlton with that toxicity behind them?
We wont have unity till we get a combination that fosters an environment that starts winning. We wont start winning however till we first get that unity first.
The fish rots from the head.
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4 weeks ago Doggies fans were calling for him to be sacked.
Minus consultancy culture
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Especially liked the "dictatorial leaders" bit.
Tell me, which successful clubs in the history of the AFL/VFL didn't have a dictatorial El Presidente getting tough and sorting their people and shit out?
Can't help but think of the Pies - geez Maguire sure screwed up that club the last 20 years!
Fascist! Dictator!
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And I'm sure you'll be right there, leading from the front!
Viva La Revolution!
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Says Mick living on his past glories.
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Sayers pandering, leaks flying? Alright.... If you choose to assume certain rumours as fact then maybe but not even then, besides your assumptions aren't even sure things. You actually have no idea why Ross pulled out. Maybe he decided coaching was too intense and couldn't be bothered. Maybe it was personal clash with Liddle, Lloyd, maybe it was the offered salary. Maybe it never actually got that far and he was never really that invested. You don't know yet you presume to.
Don't jump the gun. Let sayers be ruthless and reset the place. Then see how it shakes out. All this innuendo and rumour is sending people off on self assured theories that can't possibly be known. Even people who have itk connections don't know at the moment because the leaks, despite what you say, are few and far between.
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