Football Related Random Thread - PART 2

[dlanod]

Or GWS.

I know I'm biased, but GWS actually covers their costs in sponsorships and increased TV rights into western Sydney, especially compared to the lower half of the Victorian clubs.

Their crowd numbers are arse though.

 

[MSB ROYS]

I know I'm biased, but GWS actually covers their costs in sponsorships and increased TV rights into western Sydney, especially compared to the lower half of the Victorian clubs.

Their crowd numbers are arse though.

My post was a bit tongue in cheek and as I never really supported GWS and GC's introduction. GWS seem to be successful off field, but they need to start converting people into paying supporters. Penrith's dominance of the NRL, Parramatta doing well and Canterbury's likely rise next year will make it difficult to get youngsters fully invested as well.

 

[MSB ROYS]

A stand alone Tasmanian team will just be another opportunity for the big Victorian clubs to pick players like GWS, GC, Freo and until recently the Lions.

 

[BuntonRules]

My post was a bit tongue in cheek and as I never really supported GWS and GC's introduction. GWS seem to be successful off field, but they need to start converting people into paying supporters. Penrith's dominance of the NRL, Parramatta doing well and Canterbury's likely rise next year will make it difficult to get youngsters fully invested as well.

IMO a bigger hurdle is soccer, and the Wanderers.

 

[dlanod]

My post was a bit tongue in cheek and as I never really supported GWS and GC's introduction. GWS seem to be successful off field, but they need to start converting people into paying supporters. Penrith's dominance of the NRL, Parramatta doing well and Canterbury's likely rise next year will make it difficult to get youngsters fully invested as well.

COVID has massively hit them for a six. They were making up adequate (not stellar) crowd atmosphere and numbers before, but a lot were always newbies coming along to try it out. When all of a sudden going to a crowded stadium is a COVID risk, the newbies and casuals just stop going - not worth the risk to them. It'll be interesting to see if there's a bounce back this year now that the world is pretty much back to normal.

 

[BuntonRules]

well worth the read, especially pages 2 & 3

Every club's biggest 'what if' moment of the AFL era

Every club's biggest 'what if' moment of the AFL era

In this five-part series, we seek to get to the bottom of the league's biggest sliding door moments since 1990👇

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[Section 5]

Former AFL forward Daniel Menzel says Joe Daniher is the Lion under the most pressure heading into the 2023 season, but believes the key target still has the potential to be among the league's elites

“He could be as good as Buddy Franklin”: Menzel holds high hopes in key forward's potential

“He hasn’t reached his heights yet and he could be anything in the comp.”

www.sen.com.au

 

[morsie]

To each and every one of you out there who have posted such lovely thoughts and those that "liked" my post...a big thank you from the bottom of my heart. It means a lot..

I was just thinking how great a "family" we Lions are when someone needs a lift in spirits. We may argue and disagree at times, but we always come to the party when we need to....as you people have for me today.

Mr MM was a wonderful and good man, very quick witted, loved a joke but could be contankerous at times and I'd tell him he was being a pain in the a.r.s.e, as quick as lightning he'd say "yes, but I'm your pain the a.r.s.e" with a big grin.

He loved music, he'd play poker on the computer and play music all day most days before he got sick..and of course, his Saints and horse racing.

Footy season and Spring Carnival wont be the same, it will be lonely without him beside me......but others have been through this and had to cope, so will I eventually.

Much love to you all

Having had a cancer incident just before Christnas and a wife on indefinite chemoyou have my sympathies

 

[Gadzorks]

Having had a cancer incident just before Christnas and a wife on indefinite chemoyou have my sympathies

F*** cancer

 

[Saucery]

If it calls itself Tasmania, and splits its games fairly between south and north, that won't be an issue within a generation, surely. The vast majority of the kids growing up will follow the local team.

Yes this is the Fed's view of how it should play out:

"Albanese revealed he expects home games to be played in both the north and south of Tasmania."

Aussie PM reveals big issue with $750m Tasmania stadium proposal amid AFL push

Aussie PM reveals big issue with $750m Tassie stadium proposal amid AFL push

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Saucery]

While I am not against this idea and it would certainly drive more clicks, it feels like this would just strengthen the hand of the so called destination clubs.

And an under pressure coach could push his club to trade in a player for what might be high draft picks to improve his chance to keep his job.

Either way it's another cut to the idea of club loyalty.

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[briztoon]

While I am not against this idea and it would certainly drive more clicks, it feels like this would just strengthen the hand of the so called destination clubs.

And an under pressure coach could push his club to trade in a player for what might be high draft picks to improve his chance to keep his job.

Either way it's another cut to the idea of club loyalty.

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As someone who grew up following the NBA and the EPL, I’m dead against a mid season trade period for AFL.

I’m all for the mid season draft though.

 

[Dalions]

As someone who grew up following the NBA and the EPL, I’m dead against a mid season trade period for AFL.

I agree it is just another way for stronger clubs to get stronger.

Buuuttt……………how good would it have been to have got Dunkley over the line before the finals last year knowing that he was coming at the end of the year anyway?

The extra big bodied, 2way running mid would have come in handy against Geelong.

Doggies never would have let him go though.

 

[Saucery]

I agree it is just another way for stronger clubs to get stronger.

Buuuttt……………how good would it have been to have got Dunkley over the line before the finals last year knowing that he was coming at the end of the year anyway?

The extra big bodied, 2way running mid would have come in handy against Geelong.

Doggies never would have let him go though.

Yes in that specific situation no but what if you were a first 22 player in a bottom 4 team who gets approached by a top 4 team who have an injury and it gives you a walk up start to a finals series?

All I can see happening is it would cause a lot of angst between player and current team if they don't let him go (presuming they want to), probably a break down in the relationship.

And if they do get to where they want to go? Well the rich get richer, you get the picture.

 

[Dalions]

Yes in that specific situation no but what if you were a first 22 player in a bottom 4 team who gets approached by a top 4 team who have an injury and it gives you a walk up start to a finals series?

All I can see happening is it would cause a lot of angst between player and current team if they don't let him go (presuming they want to), probably a break down in the relationship.

And if they do get to where they want to go? Well the rich get richer, you get the picture.

Yep, don’t like it at all.

 

[lionraven]

I think a unique attribute of the AFL is its historic natute, with team histories stretching so far back; including romantic ideas of one club players and father son picks. It gives a club meaning, character and a narrative that transcends generations. Although I love the NFL, the hypercapitalist nature of their 'franchises' feels so tacky compared to the AFL. Players are constantly coming and going from lists, going to the highest bidder. Teams ruthlessly managing player contracts and cutting players. Franchises threatening to leave cities unless the local government pays a ransom in the form of a new stadium every 30 odd years. Its just all so tacky. The AFL risks losing some of its charm and character by trying to go for all these cheap clicks and media attention. Whats the point of enabling mid season trades apart from empowering player agents to pull more bullshit throughout the year? We already saturate the media anyway throughout the season anyway.

I do think the idea of having a midseason draft where every team is given at least 1 list spot to rookie draft a player from the vfl, wafl or sanfl for a 6 to 18 month contract would be great. It would give a degree of clout and inspire higher competition in the lower leagues and give opportunities for older players to get drafted ans experience afl lists. It would also enable teams to experiment more and pick up non traditional players to see if we can unearth new talent and would also provide that sugar hit in the media the AFL craves.

 

[CarterS]

Bring back Bernie Gabba Vegas

 

[nup]

what a bandwagoner

 

[morsie]

I had a chat once with a certain AFL identity who admitted that all their draft rules and trading rules would not survive a restraint of trade case.
Their strategy was simply to outlast the opponents.If the rules were overturned they would bring in similar but different rules.
If they were overturned , new rules and so on and so on.
For those with long memories this was around the time of the Brett Cook saga .
The strategy may have changed but it was an interesting insight into the long game they were playing at the time.
The chap I was talking to certainly was informed and knew exactly what he was talking about but I prefer not to name him.

 

[Mighty Lions]

I agree it is just another way for stronger clubs to get stronger.

Buuuttt……………how good would it have been to have got Dunkley over the line before the finals last year knowing that he was coming at the end of the year anyway?

The extra big bodied, 2way running mid would have come in handy against Geelong.

Doggies never would have let him go though.

I hate the idea....so wrong on so many levels. When I talk about trading/draft in the AFL to my friends over in USA, they all say mid season trading is degrading from a club supporter point of view and detracts from the game if a loved & valued player is in negotiation to move from one club to another mid-season.

 

[Mighty Lions]

I had a chat once with a certain AFL identity who admitted that all their draft rules and trading rules would not survive a restraint of trade case.
Their strategy was simply to outlast the opponents.If the rules were overturned they would bring in similar but different rules.
If they were overturned , new rules and so on and so on.
For those with long memories this was around the time of the Brett Cook saga .
The strategy may have changed but it was an interesting insight into the long game they were playing at the time.
The chap I was talking to certainly was informed and knew exactly what he was talking about but I prefer not to name him.

I don't agree with your AFL identity. A contract is legal and all contracts are based on a season by season agreement. How can you argue differently when any given player has his signature on the bottom of a contract saying he agrees to play season to season, unless its a mutual decision by club & player.

 

[dlanod]

I don't agree with your AFL identity. A contract is legal and all contracts are based on a season by season agreement. How can you argue differently when any given player has his signature on the bottom of a contract saying he agrees to play season to season, unless its a mutual decision by club & player.

The problem is why can't an uncontracted person sign with whatever club they choose, whether that's as a kid or once their contract has ceased with their current club.

When a contract is in place, it's a different story.

 

[Mighty Lions]

The problem is why can't an uncontracted person sign with whatever club they choose, whether that's as a kid or once their contract has ceased with their current club.

When a contract is in place, it's a different story.

I dont understand what you are saying.

If a player (uncontracted) wants to play with a nominated club, providing that club wants him at their club, I dont understand what is stopping them from forming an agreement.

I'm not understanding what you are saying.

 

[dlanod]

I dont understand what you are saying.

If a player (uncontracted) wants to play with a nominated club, providing that club wants him at their club, I dont understand what is stopping them from forming an agreement.

I'm not understanding what you are saying.

Keidean Coleman is out of contract at the end of the year.

Once that contract ceases he decides he wants to join Fremantle and Fremantle want to sign him.

Under the current AFL rules he is not able to do that until/unless a trade is performed, regardless of his contract status.

Zane Duursma (a potential draftee this year) has no contract with any AFL club in place.

He decides he wants to join Port Adelaide and Port Adelaide want to sign him.

Under the current AFL rules he is not able to do that until/unless he's selected in the draft by them, regardless of his contract status.

 

[briztoon]

I hate the idea....so wrong on so many levels. When I talk about trading/draft in the AFL to my friends over in USA, they all say mid season trading is degrading from a club supporter point of view and detracts from the game if a loved & valued player is in negotiation to move from one club to another mid-season.

I’ve followed the NBA and EPL for well over 30 years now, have been on forums for 30 odd years.

I’ve been a member of the same NUFC forum for 28 years now, and I’m still one of the youngest members on the forum.

In both sports, mid season trading is just part of the game.

I don’t believe many fans of either sport believe it is degrading from a supporter or fan perspective.

Of course any team’s fan base is going to be upset at losing a fan favourite player. That goes for any sport, at any time of the list management cycle.

But if you’re a team losing such a player, generally your team has much bigger problems than losing such a player.

Do your friends talk about the other side of the coin, when it’s your club the player is coming to?

That energises and excites supporters, especially when it puts your team right in the championship hunt.


As I mentioned previously, I’m against the idea in the AFL. But to make out it’s any different for fans than the off season trade period is somewhat immature.

I believe most sports need to find a balance between team power versus player power, and in the AFL that’s not even close to biggest issue the league has.

I’d love for you to explain to your friends that 55% of AFL teams reside in one city, and that the competition as a National identity exists purely to support the continued existence of those 9 teams.

Then try and justify the “go home” factor to your USA mates.