Footy Developments in NSW and Queensland

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This is a List, from Wiki, of the c. 178 players, who were born or raised in Qld., who have played in the old VFL, or AFL.

From 1945-1986, 18 players= 1 player every 2.3 years; 1987-2010, 92= 3.83 players per year; 2011-2021, 68= 6.2 players per year.
Qld.-origin elite player nos. accelerated significantly after GCFC entered the AFL in 2011, even though GCFC has been a very poor performer.

The List clearly demonstrates, re elite recruitment, the strong success of the creation of BFC & GCFC, & their many Academies etc. throughout Qld.
(Ditto GR AF in Qld., which has also been growing very strongly- a "virtuous circle").

The strong GR AF growth will, almost certainly, result in even greater nos. of draftees- particularly if GCFC can become very competitive (ie winning 12+ games pa, regularly). A reasonably competitive GCFC further increases, obviously, its own popularity, & of the AFL overall in Qld...."Success Breeds Success".

In 2022 in the AFL, there are c. 105 players drafted from Qld., NSW, & ACT. In 1996, c.53.

Player	QLD junior/senior club/s	Representative honours	VFL/AFL Years	VFL/AFL Games	VFL/AFL (Goals)	Connections to Queensland, Notes & References
Samson Ryan	Sherwood Districts / Redland	U17 (2018)	2021-	1	0	Raised in Toowoomba
Tom Green	-		2020-	29	14	Born in Townsville, raised in Townsville and Toowoomba
Connor Budarick	Labrador Tigers / Southport		2020-	17	1	Raised on the Gold Coast
Keidean Coleman	Wynnum / Morningside		2020-	17	8	Raised in Brisbane
Will Martyn	Aspley	U15 (2016), U17 (2018)	2020-	2	0	Raised in Brisbane
Alex Davies	Manunda Hawks	U16 (2018)	2020-	1	0	Raised in Cairns
Bailey Scott	Broadbeach	U16 (2016)	2019-	26	15	Raised on the Gold Coast
Caleb Graham	Cairns Saints	U16 (2016), U17 (2017)	2019-	20	0	Born and raised in Cairns.
Tom Fullarton	-	U16 (2015)	2019-	6	2	Born and raised on Sunshine Coast. Former Brisbane Bullets player
Elliott Himmelberg	Redland	U18 (2016)	2018-	27	26	Raised in Brisbane
Oskar Baker	Aspley	QLD (2017)	2018-	15	4	Raised in Brisbane
Jack Payne	Noosa	U16 (2015)	2018-	13	0	Raised on the Sunshine Coast
Jacob Heron	Cairns Saints	U16 (2015)	2018-	13	2	Born and raised in Cairns.[113]
Brayden Crossley	Palm Beach Currumbin	U16 (2015), U18 (2016)	2018-	10	5	Born and raised on Gold Coast
Connor Ballenden	Kenmore	U16 (2015), U18 (2016)	2018-	2	0	Raised in Brisbane
Jacob Dawson	Palm Beach Currumbin		2018-2019	9	1	Raised on the Gold Coast
Jack Bowes	Manunda Hawks / Cairns Saints / Surfers Paradise	U18 (2016 c)	2017-	74	14	Born and raised in Cairns.
Brad Scheer	Palm Beach Currumbin	U18 (2016)	2017-2019	13	2	Raised on the Gold Coast
Jacob Allison	Aspley	U18 (2016)	2017	10	2	Raised in Brisbane
Wylie Buzza	Mount Gravatt		2017	9	6	Raised in Gatton, Queensland
Max Spencer	Palm Beach Currumbin		2017	8	0	Born and raised on the Gold Coast
Josh Williams	Hermit Park Tigers		2017	2	1	Raised in Townsville
Eric Hipwood	Caloundra / Aspley	U18 (2015)	2016-	110	163	Raised on Sunshine Coast
Mabior Chol	Yeronga SHS / Yeronga / Brisbane Lions (U18/reserves) / Aspley /		2016-	31	24	Raised in Brisbane (Acacia Ridge)[114]
Jesse Joyce	Palm Beach Currumbin		2016-	64	2	Raised on the Gold Coast
Ben Keays	Morningside / Redland	U18 (2014, 2015 c)	2016-	68	25	Raised and schooled in Brisbane
Josh Wagner	Aspley	U18 (2011, 2012)	2016-2020	40	2	Raised in Brisbane
Corey Wagner	Aspley		2016-2020	19	6	Raised in Brisbane
Josh Smith	Redland	U18 (2011)	2016-2019	34	7	Raised in Brisbane
Reuben William	Zillmere		2016-2017	3	0	Raised in Brisbane
Harris Andrews	Aspley	U18 (2014)	2015-	136	10	Raised in Brisbane, attended Padua College[115]
Caleb Daniel	-		2015-	132	37	Born and raised in Beaudesert.[116]
Lachie Weller	Broadbeach		2015-	116	42	Raised on Gold Coast
Braydon Preuss	Hermit Park Tigers / Surfers Paradise		2015-	18	9	Born and raised in Townsville
Liam Dawson	Redcliffe / Aspley	U18 (2013)	2015–2018	18	6	Raised in Redcliffe
Matthew Hammelmann	Morningside		2015-2017	12	2	Raised in Brisbane
Tom Fields	Labrador	U18 (2011)	2015	2	0	Raised on Gold Coast
Charlie Cameron	Marist College Ashgrove		2014-	150	244	Born and raised in Mt Isa.[117]
Aliir Aliir	Aspley		2014-	88	5	Raised in Brisbane[118]
Archie Smith	Mount Gravatt		2014-2021	16	4	Born and raised in Brisbane[119]
Alex Sexton	Springwood / Redland	U16 (2010), U18 (2011)	2013-	26	11	Raised and schooled in Logan.[120][121]
Adam Oxley	Redland	U18 (2011, 2012)	2013-2018	34	10	Raised in Brisbane
Sam Michael	Redland	U18 (2011)	2013–2016	5	0	Raised in Brisbane
Clay Cameron	Mount Gravatt	U18 (2011)	2013–2016	23	5	Born and raised in Brisbane
Jonathan Freeman	Noosa		2013–2015	14	16	Raised on the Sunshine Coast
Andrew Boston	Palm Beach	U18 (2011, 2012)	2013-2015	16	10	Raised on the Gold Coast
Jordon Bourke	Morningside	U18 (2011)	2013–2015	6	2	Raised in Brisbane
Dayne Zorko	Broadbeach	U18 (2007 c), QLD (2011)	2012-	208	210	Born and raised on Gold Coast.
Josh Jenkins	-		2012–2021	149	296	Raised in Townsville
Lee Spurr	Morningside		2012–2018	120	5	Raised in Brisbane
Tom Bell	Morningside		2012–2018	72	56	Born and raised in Brisbane
Josh Hall	Curra Swans		2012-2015	7	3	Born and raised in Townsville. Also professional NRL player
Peter Yagmoor	Morningside	U18 (2011)	2012-2014	2	0	Raised in Brisbane
Stephen Wrigley	Labrador		2012–2013	3	0	Raised on the Gold Coast
Jackson Allen	Morningside	U18 (2011)	2012–2013	4	0	Raised in Brisbane
Piers Flanagan			2012	3	0	Raised and schooled on the Gold Coast
Charlie Dixon	Redlynch / Cairns Saints / Redland	U18 (3 caps)	2011-	177	294	Born and raised in Cairns
Rory Thompson	Southport		2011-	103	7	Raised on the Gold Coast
Tom Hickey	Morningside		2011	119	41	Born and raised in Brisbane
Zac Smith	Zillmere		2011-2021	124	54	Born Biloela
Joel Wilkinson	Broadbeach	U18 (2010 c)	2011-2013	26	1	Raised on the Gold Coast
Alik Magin	Labrador		2011-2012	8	3	Raised on the Gold Coast
Israel Folau	-		2011-2012	13	2	Raised in Brisbane
Rex Liddy	North Cairns / Kenmore		2011	4	0	Raised in Cairns
Bryce Retzlaff	Labrador		2011	11	6	Raised on the Gold Coast
Joseph Daye	Southport		2011	4	1	Raised in Brisbane
Marc Lock	Southport		2011	1	0	Raised on the Gold Coast
Claye Beams	Labrador	U18 (2010)	2011	30	21	Raised on the Gold Coast
Josh Thomas	Redland	U18 (2009)	2010-2021	123	101	Born and raised in Queensland and raised
Daniel Stewart	Labrador		2010-2013	36	31	Raised on Gold Coast
Rohan Bail	Mount Gravatt		2010-2012	71	28	Raised in Brisbane
Broc McCauley	Surfers Paradise / Southport	QLD (2009)	2010-2012	6	1	Born and raised on the Gold Coast
Lachlan Keeffe	-		2009-	76	15	Born and raised in Gympie[122]
Dayne Beams	Southport	U18 (2008 c)	2009-2020	112	118	Raised on the Gold Coast. 2010 Collingwood Premiership player. 2012 All Australian team.
Brendan Whitecross	St Patrick's College / Kedron District Junior Football Club, Zillmere	U12 (2002), U16 (2005) (2006 c), U18 (2007 c)	2009-2018	111	45	Born and raised in Brisbane
Ben Warren	Genesis Christian College / Zillmere Eagles Australian Football Club		2009-2012	29	34	Raised in Brisbane.
Sam Reid	Zillmere		2008-2021	108	33	Born and raised in Bundaberg and Sunshine Coast[123]
Jake Spencer	Redland		2008–2017	38	8	Raised in Townsville
Jesse White	John Paul College Southport	U18 (2006)	2008-2017	127	148	Raised on the Gold Coast
Gavin Urquhart	Morningside	U19 (2006)	2008-2012	41	3	Raised in Brisbane
Scott Clouston	University of Queensland / Morningside		2008	2	1	Raised in Brisbane
Jarrod Harbrow	South Cairns Cutters / Hermit Park Tigers	U16 (2004), U18 (2006)	2007-2021	262	54	Born in Cairns raised in Cairns and Townsville
David Armitage	Morningside	U19 (2006)	2007-2019	169	98	Born and raised in Mackay
Shaun Hampson	John Paul College / Mount Gravatt		2007-2018	98	38	Raised in Brisbane
Kurt Tippett	All Saints Anglican College / Southport	U18 (2006)	2007-2017	178	325	Raised on the Gold Coast
Ricky Petterd	Broadbeach	U19 (2006)	2007-2015	84	72	Raised in Brisbane
Tom Williams	Morningside		2007–2014	85	14	Raised and schooled in Brisbane
Brent Renouf	Surfers Paradise / Southport		2007-2014	68	13	Raised on the Gold Coast
Karmichael Hunt	Anglican Church Grammar School		2007-2014	44	6	Raised in Brisbane. Rugby league convert
Albert Proud	Mount Gravatt		2007-2010	29	10	Born Torres Strait Islands, raised in Brisbane
Daniel Dzufer	Caloundra/Zillmere Eagles/Suncoast Lions/Aspley	U19 (2006)	2007–2009	1	0	Raised on the Sunshine Coast
Will Hamill	Southport	U18 (2004 c)	2007	3	1	Raised in Brisbane
Joel Tippett	Southport		2007	8	0	Raised on the Gold Coast
Brad Howard	St Joseph's College, Toowoomba / Redland		2007	2	0	Raised in Toowoomba
Sam Gilbert	Coolangatta Tweed Heads / Southport Sharks	U18 (?)	2006-2018	208	38	Raised on the Gold Coast
Courtenay Dempsey	Morningside		2006-2016	133	35	Born Mt Isa, raised in Cairns
Cheynee Stiller	St Patrick's College / Northern Eagles		2006-2012	100	21	Raised in Brisbane
Brad Moran	Southport		2006-2011	21	8	Raised (schooled) on the Gold Coast
Rhan Hooper	Ipswich Eagles	U18 (2005)	2006-2010	54	56	Born in Charleville, Queensland raised in Ipswich
Scott Harding	Anglican Church Grammar School / Morningside		2006-2010	50	15	Born on Thursday Island, raised and schooled in Brisbane
Jason Roe	Cairns City Cobras		2006–2009	50	7	Raised in Cairns
Wayde Mills	Coolangatta Tweed Heads/ Southport	U19 (2006)	2006-2008	16	3	Born and raised on the Gold Coast
Marty Pask	Brisbane SHS / Western Magpies		2006	8	4	Raised in Brisbane
Daniel Merrett	Southport		2005-2016	200	70	Raised on the Gold Coast
Luke McGuane	Broadbeach		2005-2015	112	46	Born and raised on the Gold Coast
Josh Drummond	Matthew Flinders Anglican College / Northern Eagles		2005-2012	94	35	Born and raised on the Sunshine Coast
Leigh Ryswyk	Southport	U18 (2003)	2005	1	0	Raised on the Gold Coast
Andrew Raines	Marymount College / Southport		2004-2015	129	17	Born and raised on Gold Coast
Ben Hudson	Palm Beach Currumbin / University of Queensland / Mt Gravatt		2004-2014	168	19	Raised in Brisbane
Joel Macdonald	Mt Gravatt		2004-2013	124	6	Raised in Brisbane
Daniel Pratt	Northern Eagles		2004-2011	119	10	Raised in Brisbane
Marcus Allan	Northern Eagles		2004-2007	5	1	Raised in Brisbane
David Hale	Marymount College / Broadbeach	U16 (?), U18 (2001)	2003-2015	237	217	Raised on the Gold Coast. Triple premiership player.
Luke Weller	Northern Eagles		2003, 2004	11	4	Raised in Brisbane
Brad Miller	Cannon Hill Anglican College / Mt Gravatt		2002-2017	157	120	Born and raised in Brisbane
Shane Morrison	Northern Eagles		2002-2005	13	3	Raised in Cairns and Brisbane
Nick Riewoldt	Broadbeach / Southport		2001-2017	336	718	Raised on the Gold Coast
Michael Osborne	Labrador		2001-2013	168	110	Raised on the Gold Coast
Jamie Charman	Sandgate		2001-2009	129	55	Born in Maryborough and raised in Brisbane
Robert Copeland	Northern Eagles		2001-2008	143	39	Born and raised in Brisbane
Mitch Hahn	Zillmere		2000-2011	181	164	Born and raised in Brisbane
Trent Knobel	Broadbeach		2000-2007	75	12	Born and raised on the Gold Coast
Nathan Clarke	Maroochydore		2000-2002	6	4	Raised on Sunshine Coast
Stephen Kenna	Toowoomba / Morningside		2000,2004	5	3	Raised in Toowoomba
Brett Backwell	Northern Eagles		1999-2001	18	12	Raised in Brisbane.
Simon Black	-		1998-2013	322	171	Born in Mount Isa. Triple premiership player. Brownlow medallist.
Marc Woolnough	All Saints Anglican College / Southport		1998, 2002	6	1	Raised on the Gold Coast
Hamish Simpson	Kedron Grange		1998-2000	18	0	Raised and schooled in Brisbane
Mal Michael	Morningside		1997-2008	238	33	Raised in Brisbane. QLD Team of the Century member
Brett Voss	Trinity College, Beenleigh / Morningside		1997-2007	170	67	Born and raised
Jason Akermanis	Mayne		1996-2010	325	421	Raised in Brisbane. Triple premiership player. Brownlow medallist. QLD Team of the Century member.
Clint Bizzell	Wilston Grange		1996-2007	163	79	Born and raised in Brisbane
Clark Keating	Surfers Paradise		1996-2006	139	83	Born and raised on Gold Coast
Danny Dickfos	Windsor-Zillmere	QLD/NT (1993)	1996-1999	65	0	Born and raised in Brisbane
Derek Wirth	Springwood/Mt Gravatt		1996-1999	1	2	Raised in Brisbane
Don Cockatoo-Collins	Cairns City Cobras		1996–1998	9	3	Born and raised in Cairns
Steven Lawrence	Southport	QLD/NT (1993)	1995-2003	120	60	Raised on the Gold Coast
Brent Green	Southport		1995-1998	12	8	Raised on the Gold Coast
David Cockatoo-Collins	Cairns City Cobras		1995–1997	2	0	Born and raised in Cairns
Chris Scott	-		1994-2007	215	79	Raised and schooled in Brisbane
Che Cockatoo-Collins	Cairns City Cobras	QLD/NT (1993)	1994-2003	160	215	Born in Brisbane, raised in Cairns
Rudi Frigo	Mayne	QLD/NT (1993)	1994-1995	8	1	Raised in Brisbane
Michael Voss	Trinity College, Beenleigh / Morningside	QLD, QLD/NT (1993)	1992-2006	289	245	Raised in Brisbane. Brownlow Medallist and Australian Football Hall of Famer. QLD Team of the Century member. Triple premiership captain of Brisbane Lions.
Steven Handley	Southport	QLD	1992–1997	73	28	Raised on the Gold Coast
Steven McLuckie	Southport	QLD/NT (1993)	1992–1993	20	8	Raised in Brisbane
Troy Clarke	South Cairns Cutters	QLD (1991), QLD/NT (1993)	1991-1996	68	31	Raised in Cairns
Simon Luhrs	Western Districts	QLD/NT (1993)	1991–1992	12	0	Raised in Brisbane
Corey Bell	Southport	QLD	1991	8	2	Raised on Gold Coast
Matthew Kennedy	Southport	QLD/NT (1993)	1990-2001	188	30	Raised on Gold Coast
Ray Windsor	Western Districts	QLD, QLD/NT (1993)	1990-1993	23	22	Raised in Brisbane
David Wearne	Coorparoo	QLD/NT (1993)	1990-1993	18	2	Raised in Brisbane
Marcus Ashcroft	Southport	QLD/NT (1993)	1989-2003	318	145	Raised on Gold Coast. First Queenslander to play 300 AFL games. Triple premiership Brisbane Lions player. QLD Team of the Century member.
Simon Hose	Western Districts AFC		1989	5	2	Raised in Brisbane
Stephen Lawrence	Southport	QLD	1988-1998	146	30	Raised on the Gold Coast
Tony Lynn	Morningside	QLD/NT (1993)	1988-1996	33	19	Raised in Brisbane
Gavin Crosisca	Western Districts AFC	QLD (1998)	1987-2000	246	64	Born and raised in Brisbane. QLD Team of the Century member
Dean McRae	Sandgate		1987-1996	141	55	Raised on Bribie Island, Sunshine Coast
Darren Carlson	Southport	QLD (1988), QLD/NT (1993)	1987-1990	25	7	Raised on the Gold Coast
Stuart Glascott	Southport	QLD (1988)	1987	4	0	Raised on the Gold Coast
Tony Beckett	Mayne	QLD (18 caps)	1987	6	2	Raised in Brisbane
Allan Giffard	Sherwood	QLD (12 caps)	1987	1	0	Raised in Brisbane
Tony Smith	Morningside	QLD (1988)	1986–1988	17	1	Raised in Brisbane
Jason Dunstall	Coorparoo	QLD (3 caps: 1992), QLD/NT (1993)	1985-1998	269	1254	Born and Raised in Brisbane. Represented Queensland four times in State of Origin. Australian Football Hall of famer. QLD Team of the Century member.
Michael Gibson	Coorparoo	QLD (15 caps: 1988)	1985-1991	55	3	Born and raised in Brisbane
Trevor Spencer	Jindalee	QLD (1988)	1985-1991	44	29	Raised in Brisbane
Craig Potter	Western Districts	QLD/NT (1993)	1984-1992	55	19	Raised in Brisbane
Craig Brittain	Windsor-Zillmere	U18 (?)	1984	5	2	Raised in Cairns
Scott McIvor	Wilston Grange	QLD (17 caps: 1984-?)	1985-1997	200	96	Born and raised in Brisbane. QLD Team of the Century member.
Gary Shaw	Western Districts		1983-1987	38	38	Raised in Brisbane
Carl Herbert	Mayne	QLD (1988)	1983	3	0	Raised in Brisbane
Brett Grimley	Wilston Grange	QLD (1988)	1983-85	18	2	Raised in Brisbane.
Zane Taylor	Southport	QLD (26 caps: 1988)	1980-1983	27	12	Raised in Brisbane. Represented QLD 27 times. Queensland Team of the Century member.
Frank Dunell	Zillmere Eagles Australian Football Club	QLD (7 caps: 1988)	1979-1988	115	61	Raised in Brisbane. Represented QLD Seven times. Premiership player.
Warren Jones	Morningside	QLD (1979)	1978-1988	123	36	Raised in Brisbane. Premiership player.
Barry Denny	South Brisbane / Morningside	QLD (7 caps)	1977–1979	22	3	Raised in Brisbane.
Glen Scanlon	Coorparoo		1977–1978	9	4	Raised in Brisbane.
Ken Grimley	Wilston Grange	QLD (c 1963, 1964) (22 caps)	1957	9	16	Raised in Brisbane.
Erwin Dornau	Kedron Football Club	QLD (1946, 1947)	1948–1952	54	8	Born and raised in Brisbane.[71]
Tom Calder	Coorparoo	QLD (1947 c, 1950)	1945	5	0	Lived in Brisbane for some time

Australian rules football in Queensland - Wikipedia

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Has the AFL’s talent pool become more diluted over time?

When discussion of recent or future AFL expansion arises, it is often followed by claims from various pundits claim that the addition of extra teams impacts on the quality of football by spreading …

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[BringBackTorps]

1. More reports that suggest that it is very likely that the AFL will receive a much higher Rights' deal, from 2025, than the $473m pa it will receive for 2023-24.
This will allow the AFL to increase strongly its GR funding in NSW, ACT, & Qld.: AF should have further, ongoing strong growth.

mumbrella S. Al Zaidi 19.5.22

S. Al Zaidi said

"The hustle to secure the amplified ad revenue attached to exclusive broadcasting rights of sporting final events is mirrored in Ten and Seven West’s Media bidding war for the hotly anticipated AFL Grand Final.

In 2021, the AFL Grand Final generated 3.91 million, with an average national audience of 4.09 million each year.
Ad revenue in the prime TV spot can fetch the network anywhere between $150,000 to $175,000 (or more) per 30-seconds of ad coverage.

Buffet’s significant investment may now embolden Ten, in tandem with Paramount+, in its bid to reclaim the rights to the AFL from 2025.

Mumbrella previously spoke to media director and GM of Spinach, Ben Willee, who said Ten and Paramount are going to “have a run at it like an 18-year-old in an all-you-can-drink bar”, as he argued the network “hasn’t recovered” after losing the AFL years ago...

Ten and Paramount Plus are jostling with Amazon, Seven and Foxtel to secure the exclusive rights to the footy coverage, which would be split between Ten and streaming platform Paramount+ for all nine games each roun..

After Buffet’s securing of 11% of the business, Ten may be in a bolstered position for their 2025 bid for rights to the footy’s entire broadcast package.

The investment has given Ten a financial advantage in its efforts to reclaim rights to the nationally loved sport, and would contribute enhanced revenue figures in Paramount’s TV Media sector...".

Ten's bid for AFL broadcast rights strengthened by $2.6B Paramount Global investment

Paramount Global stock has stabilised after shooting up by 15% on Tuesday, following a $6.2 billion investment by Berkshire Hathaway, multi-billionaire Warren Buffet’s venture investment firm.Berkshire bought almost 69 million shares in the company.Paramount Global, which encompasses recently...

mumbrella.com.au

SMH V. Rugari 23.5.22

Rugari has been a professional soccer journalist for c. 15 years, & now writes for the SMH, owned by NINE.
It has, a week ago for the first time, been reported that NINE is also interested in the AFL Rights from 2025, particularly for streaming, & a Thurs. night game.

Rugari said

"Network 10 ‘happy’ despite A-League struggles as AFL broadcast bid looms​

"Undeterred by poor linear ratings, Network 10 insists it is “incredibly happy” with the first season of its long-term investment in the A-Leagues while reaffirming its strong interest in the AFL’s broadcast rights, saying it can help put Australia’s indigenous game in front of an international audience.
10’s five-year, $200 million deal to show the A-Leagues is off to a challenging start, with the men’s competition in particular struggling for mainstream relevance amid a continued downturn in crowds, TV ratings and general interest...

McGarvey and 10’s other co-CEO Jarrod Villani recently met with outgoing AFL chief executive Gillon McLachlan in New York, as 10 and Paramount contemplates a big-money bid to take over from Fox Sports and Seven as that competition’s chief broadcaster from 2025 onwards - although she was reluctant to speak in detail about the meeting or 10’s ambitions.

'Given the nature of our business now in Australia, we have multiple platforms and multiple revenue streams, we would remain very interested in having a look at what else is out there,' McGarvey said. 'And obviously the AFL is one of those things that is incredibly interesting, should it be genuinely available.
'The AFL is an Indigenous sport to Australia but given it is really high quality, incredibly premium, I do think there’s [an overseas] market for it, and I’d say that’s something that is really of interest to them, and something we could certainly bring to the table' ".

Network 10 ‘happy’ despite A-League struggles as AFL broadcast bid looms

The network’s first season covering football has been a major challenge - but that hasn’t deterred 10 as it contemplates a big-money bid for the AFL broadcast rights from 2025.

www.smh.com.au

2.

“If the NRL didn’t embrace this region, the AFL could certainly be a threat to the code in the western corridor,” Harding said.

RedV3x-" Translation. Any code cannot expect fans and players to simply come to them without showing reciprocal inteest".

“The AFL have made the decision to expand substantially here, they have set up a $70 million facility (at Springfield) and they aren’t silly, they can see the growth potential out here.

RedV3x-"Translation: The AFL has decided to invest heavily in an area with an eye to the potential returns".

There is no need for any "translation", as the words are in plain & unambiguous English. RL officials & supporters, MSM RL experts, ex RL players etc. (c. 50+ are linked in the eventual "Third Team In Sydney" Thread) clearly regard the strong growth of AF in SEQ as a threat to RL in SEQ. RL & AF are competitors in Qld. &NSW.

You are being obtuse & disingenuous.

 

[RedV3x]

There is no need for any "translation",

Yet you choose to quote them.
You continue to mix your opinion into other peoples quotes.
You continue to exaggerate to the point of hyperbole.

You are being obtuse & disingenuous by rolling numerous dissimilar points into one confusing thread and you continue to post in the wrong threads.
There is a large specific thread for the media rights yet you continue to post here.
The media rights is simply conjecture at this point so the amount and split are unknown.
There are more than enough posters of the gunna, woulda, shoulda type without the code wars mentality.

 

[BringBackTorps]

Goal kicked after the final siren "...for the greatest victory in Gold Coast history (Commentator A. Hudson)"- from 3 minutes 1 second.

Last two mins: Ecstasy for Suns as Noah sinks Tigers in miracle finish

Enjoy the thrilling final moments between the Suns and Tigers at Metricon Stadium

www.afl.com.au

What a comeback! Suns down Tigers in after-the-siren epic

Gold Coast's second-half fightback keeps the finals dream alive

www.afl.com.au

Land Of The Rising Suns?

The ABS Census showed the 30.6.21 population for the Gold Coast to Tweed Heads was 718,722; & from 2001-2021, the GC area had grown by 40%, the equal highest % increase (Sunshine Coast also 40%) in Australia. If current trends continue, may reach c. 1m pop. in 2048.

Impact for the AFL, & GR AF in SEQ, if GCFC can sneak into the 2022 Finals?

And keep winning 12+ games pa for 3 years, 2023-25?
(Their leading goal-kicker, & possibly best player, 21 y.o. B. King, has not played in 2022 -knee injury. He re-signed in 2022).








EDIT:

It has also been reported that Victoria has had a large net loss of people, since early 2020- possibly due to harsh & lengthy covid lockdowns etc.
Many of these who left were foreigners & students, who returned to their home countries- but many, 35k net, also were Victorians.
Qld. was the most popular destination for these Victorians- this should give some boost for AF in Qld., but difficult to quantify.

Tens of thousands kiss goodbye to NSW and Victoria during pandemic

Tens of thousands of people have packed up and left New South Wales and Victoria since COVID-19 ravaged bot...

www.9news.com.au

 

[Canberra Pear]

Goal kicked after the final siren "...for the greatest victory in Gold Coast history (Commentator A. Hudson)"- from 3 minutes 1 second.

Last two mins: Ecstasy for Suns as Noah sinks Tigers in miracle finish

Enjoy the thrilling final moments between the Suns and Tigers at Metricon Stadium

www.afl.com.au

What a comeback! Suns down Tigers in after-the-siren epic

Gold Coast's second-half fightback keeps the finals dream alive

www.afl.com.au

Land Of The Rising Suns?

The ABS Census showed the 30.6.21 population for the Gold Coast to Tweed Heads was 718,722; & from 2001-2021, the GC area had grown by 40%, the equal highest % increase (Sunshine Coast also 40%) in Australia. If current trends continue, may reach c. 1m pop. c. 2048.

Impact for the AFL, & GR AF in SEQ, if GCFC can sneak into the 2022 Finals?

And keep winning 12+ games pa for 3 years, 2023-25?
(Possibly their best player, 21 y.o. B. King , has not played in 2022 -knee injury)








EDIT:

It has also been reported that Victoria has had a large net loss of people, since early 2020- possibly due to harsh & lengthy covid lockdowns etc.
Many of these were foreigners & students, who returned to their home countries- but many, 35k net, also were Victorians.
Qld. was the most popular destination for these Victorians- this should give some boost for AF in Qld., but difficult to quantify.

Tens of thousands kiss goodbye to NSW and Victoria during pandemic

Tens of thousands of people have packed up and left New South Wales and Victoria since COVID-19 ravaged bot...

www.9news.com.au

Really solidifies the AFL's reasoning behind the Gold Coast as a long-term plan. As the population increases, more kids are raised supporting the Suns, public transport options will improve, and the support will continue to grow.

It's also worth noting that the ACT was the fastest growing jurisdiction (state or territory) for the second consecutive census.

The ACT's population has grown 14.4 per cent to 454,000 people since the last census count in 2016, with the bush capital adding 57,102 people in five years.

ACT Chief Minister Andrew Barr said on social media it was "Quite a shift from the previous 'estimated' residential population of 432,000".

"We've increased from 1.68 per cent of the national population to 1.76 per cent," he tweeted

The above graph posted by BBT used old data as a prediction, but underestimated the ACT population by about 30k, so that number for Canberra-Queanbeyan would be more like 493k.

 

[RedV3x]

It has also been reported that Victoria has had a large net loss of people, since early 2020, 35k net, also were Victorians.
Qld. was the most popular destination for these Victorians- this should give some boost for AF in Qld., but difficult to quantify.

35k when divided up and considering all factors is quite small.
Also. relying on expats for a "boost" smacks of desperation even if it possibly has small indirect benefits.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. The Age J. Niall 24.6.22

"Senior club and AFL insiders have told The Age and The Sydney Morning Herald that they favour Foxtel and Seven, although there is a view that Paramount-Ten could make the largest financial offer. Either way, the insiders say, the intense competition for the rights ensures that the code will remain the country’s biggest for broadcast dollars and the AFL will gain a sizeable increase".

AFL talks turkey with media giants over lucrative broadcast rights​

Channels Nine and Ten and rights holders Seven and Foxtel are all in discussions with the AFL about the broadcast rights post-2024.
www.theage.com.au


This is another very recent MSM source stating the AFL can expect a "sizeable increase" (ie much greater than its Australian record of $473m pa, for 2023-2024) on its Rights' $ from 2025.

It is very likely more funds will be spent on GR AF in NSW & Qld.- over the medium to long term, therefore strongly increasing the popularity of the AFL; &, obviously, expanding GR AF growth there.






2. It is Qld.'s & Suns' good links with PNG that are enabling PNG players to be identified at an early age- & be recruited into the AFL.

PNG Suns' speedster H. "Ace" Oea played his first game in the AFL 10 days ago, & kicked a goal. vs Collingwood, with his first kick (a checkside).
Oea has English as a third language only- he has had many language, cultural, & physical (he is 172 cms, & a light weight) etc. obstacles to overcome.

The crowd of 16,027 was good by the standards of the Suns & Titans on the GC- earlier wet weather probably kept many away.

Maybe I missed something, however wasn’t the Metricon game tonight sold out? Doesn’t look like all sections have been sold. Good crowd and all that although I thought a sellout tonight was on the cards given the sizzle behind it.

Billy ray repied to this post, re the Collingwood game, & said "Empty seats are the ones that cost $60+. GA and ones $30-55 sold out".

Metricon, unwisely, has ticket prices at Perth & Adelaide levels- too high for an expansion market.

Awesome first goal for Oea continues Suns' hot start

Suns debutant Hewago Paul Oea kicks a goal with his first kick to extend the lead for Gold Coast

www.afl.com.au

Will the Suns' PNG connections discover other PNG "priority-selection" recruits- & thus boost the Suns' winning chances (& AF in Qld., generally)?
And implications for AF in PNG, if a stream of PNG recruits can make it into the AFL?
Will the Suns &/or the AFL provide extra funding for the Suns' Academy, if it needs to also house/educate etc. more recruits from PNG?

P. Blucher said

"And he’s quite possibly an AFL trailblazer … the 13,008th AFL player all-time, he might just be the first who was not only born overseas but discovered and learned the game overseas before coming to Australia to play and work his way at the highest level".

Hewago Paul ‘Ace’ Oea Journey from PNG to the SUNS | AFL Queensland

www.aflq.com.au

 

[RedV3x]

This is another very recent MSM source stating the AFL can expect a "sizeable increase" (ie much greater than its Australian record of $473m pa, for 2023-2024) on its Rights' $ from 2025.

We have a whole thread devoted to this subject.

It is Qld.'s & Suns' good links with PNG that are enabling PNG players to be identified at an early age- & be recruited into the AFL.

We have an international board that is well aware of Ace's endeavours.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. Channelnews specialises in analysis of business activities/profitability etc. of the MSM, & consumer trends in media penetration etc.
It stated in June 2022 there will be fierce competition for the AFL 2025 Rights, not just from Ch. 7 & & Foxtel but, this time, also from NINE & Paramount/10.

D. Richards, 12.7.22, said

"With the AFL set to announce who has the TV and streaming rights from 2025 shortly, the increased cost to networks is going to look cheap when compared to sporting rights in the USA where soccer is not even a mainstream sport, yet it’s attracting big dollars...

The A$3-billion-dollar fee (new 6 year- A$500m pa- deal for UEFA?) if they get it will be more than double what UEFA gets every year under current agreements, according to people familiar with the negotiations.
If this formula applies to AFL, networks could be paying a lot more than the $670M (US$= $946, over 2years. My emphases, & words in brackets) that the last lot of rights generated for the AFL".

channelnews : As AFL Right’s Decision Looms Soccer Is Generating Billions

With the AFL set to announce who has the TV and streaming rights from 2025 shortly, the increased cost to networks is going to look cheap when compared to sporting rights in the USA where soccer is not even a mainstream sport, yet it’s attracting big dollars. The Union of European Football...

www.channelnews.com.au

Content Is King; & live sports' content is increasingly being highly sought after- & attracts increasing Rights' $.








2. Re the AFL's probable view that the AFLW's 94% pay rise to $25m pa= many more young, athletic females to play GR AF in NSW, ACT, & Qld. etc.

Disagree, I'm sure that is the intention, but it wouldn't have even made the news in NSW and QLD [Incorrect]. People will play what they see as 'popular and the NRL's approach with less teams and therefore a better standard creates actual viewers and therefore revenue. Despite them spending only 2 million dollars in salaries, it will still be more appealing for girls there, even though the AFL is spending over 10x the amount on AFLW player wages.

As previously advised, the huge 94% AFLW pay increase, & minimum wages $39k/maximum wages $72k (not inc. extra marketing $ etc., for a short season, was very widely reported in all MSM news outlets in NSW, ACT, & Qld. (print, TV, & digital).

Whilst not all girls & parents may have immediately heard this on the day of the announcement, the fact that the AFLW will have 540 player jobs, & superior $25m+ total wages (for a female domestic comp. sport in Australia) from late 2022 will eventually filter through soon to all young, athletic females, everywhere in Australia.
Wages will rise, after the AFLW becomes a full-season comp.

The very large (& increasing again soon) AFL Rights can bankroll the AFLW wages indefinitely.

Also, the NRL has recently decided to increase by 4 teams to 10 in 2023, & has said it hopes to reach 17 asap.
The NRLW skill standard, quite good now for female RL (in a, relatively, lesser skills' sport), is likely to fall then- female GR contact RL nos. are weak now.

Yes, we know soccer, netball, & basketball are very popular sports for females to play- but don't understimate the appeal, for athletic female teenagers, of much better pay (&, also, staying in Australia!): good reasons to choose, or switch to, AF (See M. Barbieri below).







3. (My transferred post from BF 13.1.2017)

Melissa Barbieri, former long time Matilda's Captain, made interesting comments on 16.6.2016 (just after AFLW launch) about the general appeal of AF, on The Daily Football Show podcast. She said the number of girls playing AFL would increase- and soccer diminish from its current huge numbers; and many elite young females players would switch from soccer to the AFL if AFL offered better remuneration.

She also said, re AF's appeal for her soccer playing female friends "...most of the girls love it, we are Australian, AFL is our home sport, its more challenging, more rough and tumble, it has attributes they love, AFL has stuff they'd like to be more involved with...".

It is commonly held by fans of AF that the major reasons we love it, is the very complex skill set -high marking & hangers; very long kicking; having to use hands and feet, both left & right; the rough nature of AF, it requires much courage to play; elite AF can be have players from about 165 to 210 cm; no off-side, run anywhere on huge oval; and that it an embodiment of Australian culture and national pride.
It could be said that this AF narrative, at least in part, is almost being publicly supported by M.Barbieri.

I am not aware of any other significant Australian soccer identity publicly praising the AF narrative, either partially or in full.

To my knowledge, her quoted comments above have not been reported in any mainstream media -quite surprising, since she is such a senior soccer identity. SBS referred to some of the podcast, but not the quoted parts above (ie appeal of AF).

Melissa Barbieri: Football must step up or risk losing biggest stars

With women’s leagues for netball, cricket and the newly announced AFL Women’s League, football needs to do more to keep its players

www.sbs.com.au

The podcast on The Daily Football Show, 16.6.2016, goes for about 14 mins, sections referred to above from about 4.5 -8.5 minutes.

(My comment on BF 14.1.17)
My reference, to Barbieri's comments on the appeal of AF to her soccer playing female friends (which I put in quotation marks), is NOT mentioned in this 19.6.16 SBS summary -one needs to click also on the above highlighted SBS website; then again click on The Daily Football Show Podcast contained therein, for Barbieri's FULL comments (about 4.5 -8.5 minute marks).



(Posted by wookie on BF 11.1.17)
"The sleeping giant has woken

The ‘Code War’ is a thing.
By
Melissa Barbieri

6 Jan 2017 - 12:45 PM UPDATED 6 Jan 2017 - 12:45 PM

Football codes claiming that their form of the game is better. It’s definitely a thing.

We (the round ball code) have always seen our game as superior to the AFL and the Rugby League (the oval ball codes) because we play a game that is ultimately played all around the world. ‘The World Game’.

We flaunt it like the whole world is giving us a slap on the back each and every time we say: “But you can’t play Aussie Rules anywhere else in the world”.

“The whole family can play our game,” is another comfortable statement that is made to try to put our sport on a pedestal. Mothers and daughters (fathers and sons) alike can play our game.

Female football has been growing at a blistering pace. The W-League has grown year upon year with the players getting fitter, faster and technically better.

The Matildas hit an all time high of No. 5 in the world rankings earlier in 2016. They now sit at No. 6 - which is amazing. It also means that our code has fallen into a false sense of security.

Despite the strides made in the past year, the W-League faces a fierce battle to retain and attract future players in the newly competitive women's sports market with AFL emerging as the latest threat.
We just assumed our girls would choose our code because of the lure of the world game across the globe. Yeah, that would work… if only you didn’t live in the best country in the world.

Now the sleeping giant has woken.

In June 2016, the AFL announced its Inaugural women’s league to start in 2017 with eight teams being named foundation clubs.

Clubs fought tooth and nail to be a part of the prestigious eight. Some clubs voicing how disappointed they were after missing out. All while A-League teams are being MADE (well some are) to look after their female counterparts.

In my last piece I wrote about the Melbourne City training facility for their W–League team and I pretty much said they were the best in the country. Which is correct if you're only talking about all the A–League teams.


Melbourne Heart was asked on countless occasions: “When are you going to get a women’s team?” Their answer was always the same: "When we can do it properly and treat the women as well as we do the men."

The truth is, Carlton Football Club is the team who can boast the best facilities in the country for their women.

A friend of mine who has played for the Matildas went to both the City Group and The Carlton facility launches. She found that whilst City was impressive it was the Carlton Football Club that stood out.

Most impressive was the recovery area just for the female side of the club, so no need to share ice baths. Which may seem like nothing, but when you are an insecure young female who barely shows skin in front of teammates, can you imagine in front of a whole club?

Not to mention the money. Yes, the money.

Whilst you will hear many athletes tell you it's not about the money - it IS about the money. Because you need money to buy food, pay rent, petrol, footy boots, insurance… you catch my drift.

You cannot bypass the fact that having a professional contract, albeit for six weeks, will afford these athletes the time to solely focus on their AFL.

Yes, the money also means that the female athletes who have kicked a footy in the back yard or at school since they were little tackers with their friends are starting to think that the years spent plying their trade in a different sport might just be beneficial in a switch of code to reap the rewards.

Jenna McCormick, recently drafted into the AFL for Adelaide Crows, also plays for Canberra United in W-League and just recently returned from Iceland with a Championship under her belt.

Ellie Brush has signed for AFL side the Western Sydney Giants after returning from another stellar season in Houston playing for the Dash and who is now Captaining Canberra United.

Brianna Davey was the number one draft pick for Carlton and will be donning the distinguished Number 1 jersey after she returned to the AFL late in 2015. I say returned because we (the round ball code) stole her in the first place. Brianna is an amazing athlete and could probably play any number of sports and do well.

The list is actually endless with many soccer players throwing a hand at AFL again. Other sporting codes are not immune either with basketball’s Jessica Bibby and Erin Phillips crossing over.

Whilst many of the teams are made up of current AFL players, the talent pool just isn’t big enough to cover all teams.... for now.

The saving grace for many codes is that the AFL has opted for a very, very short season of just six weeks.

Players can play both sports without too much interference. Barring injury, they can successfully navigate both.

This means a fair warning for other associations to lift their game in their own respective rights to ensure they keep their players’ eyes on their own green grass rather than peer over into the AFL’s lush green pastures".

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2017/01/06/sleeping-giant-has-woken"
This link is no longer on the SBS website?!

Also, I am unable now to retrieve any DFS podcasts prior to October 2018.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. "AFL Queensland Community Football Manager, Barry Gibson, said that with evolution of female across the state that now (2022) sees over 8000 females (probably referring to female club comp. players only) playing footy in Queensland, it has paved the way for women to become part of NQ versus SQ rivalry".

'Womens’ football in Queensland continues to go from strength to strength, with established and exciting female competitions across the state.
With a record number of females playing our game this year, it’s fantastic that senior women’s players now get the opportunity to not only represent their club, competition and region, but also the opportunity to show off their talent in a representative format,' Gibson said (My emphases, & words in brackets)".

Representative Talent Set To Shine at NQ v SQ | AFL Queensland

www.aflq.com.au

The female GR AF juggernaut in Qld. continues to roll on in 2022.


In a sign of the increasing strength of GR AF above the Bundaberg/Wide Bay regions, on 2.7.22, Nth Qld. defeated Sth Qld. (13.12- 7.9) in a rep match on the Gold Coast- Nth Qld. was coached by Aaron Davey; & also won the rep match last year. It is, in the total of 8 rep games, now 4 wins each.
On 2.7.22 also, the first women's rep game was played- again Nth Qld. defeated Sth Qld. 6.5-3.6.

Whilst Sth Qld. could choose all players from Bundaberg/Wide Bay region inc. down to the NSW border, it should be noted that no players were chosen from Qld's VFL teams, or QAFL (Premier League) teams- all living in SEQ. Sth. Qld. chose players from the QFA (SEQ "2nd Division") large comp.

Notwithstanding this, excellent results for both Nth Qld. teams, who did not train together, as a team, before flying into the GC.

Qld. teams are doing very well also in the VFL- AF definitely improving in Qld. Four NSW & Qld. teams, out of the VFL 21 teams, in Round 17 were in the top 8 (& Southport FC, playing against the pros in the VFL, is second!).

AFL Season Ladder - AFL.com.au
(Link is actually 10.7.22 VFL Ladder)








2.

I'd imagine that the AFL would be sticking to plan with Qld and NSW (whatever that is exactly I don't know)

Yes, there is much you don't appreciate about the direct challenges GR AF faces from other codes in NSW, ACT, & Qld.

Part of the equation is always onfield success, in fact IMO onfield success is major contributor to obverall success.

Yes- if the expansion sides have success on the field, they grow strongly- if they are poor, big drops in their crowds/ popularity etc. (fewer rusted-on fans) ;& GR AF there loses momentum.

You keep posting articles on the "demise" of rugby...

I have never said, nor implied, that there is a demise of RL or RU in NSW, ACT, or Qld. - but I stated (along with many MSM RL experts etc.) there is a long term, significant decline in GR male contact RL nos.
Care to give me some examples of your incorrect "demise" statement?

 

[RedV3x]

Yes, there is much you don't appreciate about the direct challenges GR AF faces from other codes in NSW, ACT, & Qld.

Like what Einstein.

Yes- if the expansion sides have success on the field, they grow strongly- if they are poor, big drops in their crowds/ popularity etc. (fewer rusted-on fans) ;& GR AF there loses momentum.

WTF you have to parrot everything ?

I have never said, nor implied, that there is a demise of RL or RU in NSW, ACT, or Qld. - but I stated (along with many MSM RL experts etc.) there is a long term, significant decline in GR male contact RL nos.
Care to give me some examples of your incorrect "demise" statement?

FFS demise/decline and your complaining aboput my definition of "competition"
FFS get a life and move on.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. There are serious plans to introduce an 18th NRL Club there (which PM A. Albanese has offered support) in the medium term, representing:-

. PNG only

. Pasifika nations only

. or a combination 18th Club, representing PNG and Pasifika nations.

The NRL is also seeking $60m funding from the Federal govt. to promote RL in PNG & the Pacific.

Expanding GR & elite RL in PNG & the Pacific offers many HUGE benefits for the NRL.

Bold bid for Pasifika team to become NRL’s 18th franchise

As the Australian government looks to combat Chinese influence in the Pacific Islands, plans are afoot for rugby league to follow the lead of Super Rugby and have a Pasifika team in the NRL competition.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

PM A. Albanese 14.7.22 said

"We have to look at a team eventually in the NRL for PNG, and perhaps from the Pacific as well," he said.

How Anthony Albanese came to back PNG's bold bid to become the NRL's 18th team

Prime Minister Anthony Albanese and his Papua New Guinean counterpart James Marape may have been speaking on the sidelines of the Pacific Islands Forum on Thursday. But what they said will be felt across the playing fields of the NRL and regional geopolitics.

www.abc.net.au

Many MSM commentators have stated that Australia must strengthen its ties in PNG & the Pacific, to counter the growing influence off the Chinese Communist Party (which is offering significant development aid; & may wish to establish a military base in the Solomons, with whom it has recently signed a "Security & Policing Agreement"). Promoting RL has been touted as a a very viable (& relatively "cheap") Soft Power option, for closer ties.

C. 25+ MSM RL commentators have, in recent years, stated average standards are falling to unacceptable levels in the NRL; &/or there are currently not enough skilled players in the NRL for even 16 Clubs, let alone 17-18 Clubs.
(See my post #1667 above, major concerns expressed 6.5.22 by R. Masters' SMH article; & post #1670, & pro Pasifika/NZ expansion comments by A. Abdo)

Given that there is a significant long term decline in GR male contact RL nos. in NSW, ACT, & Qld., being able to recruit many more skilled elite RL players from PNG & the Pacific would be a big boost for the NRL.

Furthermore, improving skill standards in the region would make international matches with Australia more competitive & popular, & financially lucrative, for the NRL.
The NZ Rights rise 70% from 2023, to A$160m pa. Rights would again explode, if Warriors become very competitive, & NZ can often beat Australia.

From wookie 21.12.21, who said

"Sky NZ

• The NRL has a new $160 million war chest to launch an all-out assault on the New Zealand All Blacks as a result of a monster new television deal.
• The five-year broadcast deal – which now includes games on free-to-air – has gone from $94 million to more than $160 million over five years.
• Part of it is contra which gives the NRL the ability to use all of Sky channels to promote the game, especially in pathways and participation.
• First time major events like the Anzac Day game, an Origin match and a finals game will be on free-to-air in New Zealand".

NZ has defeated Australia in a few Test matches. Samoa (pop.140k) amazingly, on 2.11.19 defeated Australia in NZ.

Rugby league’s Pacific revolution goes global after Tongan triumph | Patrick Skene

The growth in stature of Tonga, Fiji and Samoa has meant rugby league has become the new connective tissue for the region

www.theguardian.com

2. AF was, undeniably, the biggest sport in PNG until 1975. After NSWRL games, solely, began to be broadcast into PNG from the 1980's, RL became, gradually but overwhelmingly, the main sport.
AF is still played in PNG, & speedy & very skilful PNG (despite being shorter) defeated NZ in 2017, in the International Cup Final on the MCG.




Should the AFL consider, re PNG, whether to:-

. arrange for AFL games to be broadcast as widely, & as often, as possible.

. spend much more Funds on GR there, to again have AF as a very strong sport.

. seek, also, MAJOR Fed. govt. funding.

. in the medium term, investigate the possibility of a PNG team playing in the QAFL.

. play AFL games in Port Moresby, with Fed. govt. sponsorship (There are, now, very high, serious crime rates in Port Moresby).

. investigate the long term possibility (only if a PNG team becomes very successful in the QAFL comp.) of PNG playing in the AFL?!
(With major Federal govt., & PNG gas/oil/mining cos.' funding- PNG is a very poor country: local broadcast Rights' $, & attendee funding, minimal $).


Ok no- scrap all the above, too hard.
Aim long term- post 2050- for a NZ team in the AFL? Male contact RU nos. are in a long term significant decline in NZ; & the no. of young Kiwis watching- live at games, or TV- Super Rugby games has plummetted to worrying, very low levels, cf recent years.







3.

All sports worry about their competitors.

RedV3x relied "Again with the hyperbole. Gaelic Football is so unconcerned that it is still amateur".

You have mentioned before that you are a fan of Gaelic Football & follow it,so I am suprised you would make such an incorrect statement.

In the Irish MSM, many Irish nationalist, GAA & sporting experts etc. have stated many times (from the "Garrison" times, & to recent years), they are concerned about the advances of English sports in Ireland! And a few have also expressed concerns over the AFL, & recruitment of elite male & female athletes.

Ignore the AFL's current 600,000+ female "participation" nos. GR female club & school comp., & Auskick, nos. are much less than 600K-

RedV3x replied "what, on your say so ?".

Do you believe that, in Australia in 2022, there are c. 600K+ females playing Auskick, & playing in school & club competitions?!
What are your approx. female nos. for these 3 areas?

 

[RedV3x]

There are serious plans to introduce an 18th NRL Club there.

Do you realise that the PNG is neither in NSW or Qld, which this thread is all about.

I believe that the AFL must, re PNG

I believe you should post your thoughts on this matter in the AFL international section.

RedV3x relied "Again with the hyperbole. Gaelic Football is so unconcerned that it is still amateur".

You have mentioned before that you are a fan of Gaelic Football & follow it,so I am suprised you would make such an incorrect statement.

I'm a fan of Australian Football. To my knowledge there is no push for professionalism in Gaelic Football,
thus I made the statement "Gaelic Football is so unconcerned that it is still amateur".
Now if you wish to dispute this statement then feel free to post links.

In the irish MSM, many Irish nationalist, GAA & sporting experts etc. have stated many times (from the "Garrison" times, & to recent years), they are concerned about the advances of English sports in Ireland!

Some not "many" and that is largely historical.
Ireland might be an example where people play sports they are most suited to.

And a few have also expressed concerns over the AFL, & recruitment of elite male & female athletes.

Yes some and what is the reality? The reality is that male Australian Football has not advanced noticeably in Ireland.

Do you believe that, in Australia in 2022, there are c. 600K+ females playing Auskick, & playing in school & club competitions?!

I do not look at absolute numbers as a guide but rather the relative numbers and only over a reasonable period.
I certainly wouldn't only look at specific numbers and even then Auskick, school competitions, competitions and community football are interpreted differently or have different emphasis.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. Another report that the AFL is likely to receive an huge increase in its Rights' from 2025.

This will likely lead also to a major increase in funding for NSW/ACT & Qld. GR Auskick, club, & school comps. etc. GR are the foundations of the AFL, so will be a major boost for AF.

It also increases greatly the chances that AFLW players (all 540 of them!) will become the highest paid, cf to women in other domestic sports in Australia, by 2030; & that more AFLW women can become full time players (see point 3 below). A strong magnet for more females in NSW, ACT, & Qld. to prefer AF.

Our small no. of female cricketers on international contracts, & who also pay WBBL, are currently the highest paid women in domestic comps.



The Australian 18.7.22 J. Stensholt

Stensholt said

"The AFL is trying to entice Seven West Media and Foxtel to up their bids for television rights to as close to $600m annually as possible, in an effort to keep the incumbent broadcasters in place until at least 2029 and as ViacomCBS-owned Network Ten considers a potential knockout bid for all free-to-air and streaming rights to the code.

Seven and Foxtel have indicated they are keen to maintain their rights, and discussions have begun regarding what mechanisms could be used to entice either party to raise their bids.

One option being discussed is Foxtel gaining rights to show more live matches of the local teams in passionate AFL cities Adelaide, where the Crows and Port are both popular, and Perth, the home of the West Coast Eagles and Fremantle...

One option for Foxtel, who would pay more for the rights, is its Kayo Freebies service that allows for the streaming of select events without a charge. But Seven is being steadfast in its discussions with the AFL that it must maintain the strong-rating Adelaide and Perth games.

Foxtel is also keen to cement Saturday as its showpiece day for showing AFL games on an exclusive basis, similar to its “Super Saturday” collection of NRL games each weekend...

As reported by The Australian in early July, Ten and the AFL have discussed a knockout bid for all of the sport’s rights, including streaming options, for about $600m per year in cash and contra, or $3bn in total over five years. Seven and Foxtel will pay a combined $946m for the 2023 and 2024 seasons.

NINE Entertainment has proposed a bid for a package of Thursday night games to the AFL, though the league is believed not to be keen to split its hosting options across more than two broadcasters unless it receives bids that are too lucrative to turn down (All my emphases)"...

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/bu...e/news-story/da4c89cac2fff63c66862423edcd23f9 (Paywall)








2. Gerard Whateley, 23.6.22 asked “Is your gut feeling that Thursday night footy will be a permanent in the new CBA?”
“I’m very much in favour of it,” Dangerfield replied. ...I’d like to see Thursday night a regular fixture going forward.”

(Probably means every week, "permanent"?; or simply a much bigger increase in the no. of Thur. night games?).

Patrick Dangerfield “very much in favour” of marquee timeslot

“I think it works really well.”

www.sen.com.au

These games are Prime Time, & attract very high ratings. Many more Thur. night games will entice those pursuing the Rights, to pay much more $.

Also, if Tasmania becomes the 19th Club (very likely) 11 extra H & A games are created= more Rights'$.







3. AFL, for season 2022B, 19.5.22 said

"Under the revised CBA, it is estimated that more than 40 of the top AFLW players will be paid more than $100,000 in Season Seven inclusive of TPP, ASAs and other allowable payments – up from 12 players in Season Six".

G. Mc Lachlan 19.5.22 said

“Our NAB AFLW Competition has accelerated the growth of women's football across the country, and we are entering a new, exciting phase with all 18 clubs and our focus is now on continuing to support, nurture and amplify our competition at every opportunity.

The agreement represents a landmark improvement in pay for AFLW players and an historic level of investment in domestic women’s sport that truly values the contribution of our players and is a giant step forward in achieving our vision of ensuring AFLW players are the best paid female athletes in any local professional competition by 2030".

AFLPA chief P. Marsh said

“This agreement is the first step toward our vision of AFLW players being full time footballers by 2026...This agreement makes a huge statement as to the AFL’s intent to make AFLW the sport of choice for female athletes (all emphases mine)"...

AFLW Latest News - AFL.com.au/aflw

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Former soccer Matildas' captain M. Barbieri said 16.6.16 on The Daily Football Show podcast that the number of girls playing AFL would increase- and soccer diminish from its current huge numbers; and many elite young females players would switch from soccer to the AFL if AFL offered better remuneration.

She also said in the DFS podcast, re AF's appeal for her soccer playing female friends "...most of the girls love it, we are Australian, AFL is our home sport, its more challenging, more rough and tumble, it has attributes they love, AFL has stuff they'd like to be more involved with...". (These quoted comments, strangely, have never been reported in any MSM, & this The DFS podcast is deleted now!- All emphases mine, see my post 13.7.22 above).


Furthermore, Barbieri 6.1.17,on sbs, said

"Despite the strides made in the past year, the W-League faces a fierce battle to retain and attract future players in the newly competitive women's sports market with AFL emerging as the latest threat.
We just assumed our girls would choose our code because of the lure of the world game across the globe. Yeah, that would work… if only you didn’t live in the best country in the world.

Now the sleeping giant has woken (referring to AF)...

Not to mention the money. Yes, the money.

Whilst you will hear many athletes tell you it's not about the money - it IS (her emphasis) about the money. Because you need money to buy food, pay rent, petrol, footy boots, insurance… you catch my drift (Words in brackets, & most emphases, mine)".

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/blog/2017/01/06/sleeping-giant-has-woken"
This the worldgame link is no longer on the SBS website?! I took the full sbs transcript of it, however, directly from BF post & transcript by wookie.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

This was Koch on Sunrise yesterday. You can tell this was all staged with the Dorthy Dix questions.

Stokes and 7 are under pressure from 10/P+, so they put this story out on Stokes non footy program for mums and dads, front page of Stokes paper attacking the move, and gets his mate McGowan, who comes from NSW and isn't really a footy fan, to tweet about it.

Its a shot across the bow to the AFL that if you are going to take away existing rights, the mob wont be happy and they will have you in the gun.

 

[Bjo187]

This was Koch on Sunrise yesterday. You can tell this was all staged with the Dorthy Dix questions.

Stokes and 7 are under pressure from 10/P+, so they put this story out on Stokes non footy program for mums and dads, front page of Stokes paper attacking the move, and gets his mate McGowan, who comes from NSW and isn't really a footy fan, to tweet about it.

Its a shot across the bow to the AFL that if you are going to take away existing rights, the mob wont be happy and they will have you in the gun.

Lol what a load of bullshit, why do they get all their games on fta but we don't in Victoria? Bias towards w.a and s.a from the AFL.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Lol what a load of bullshit, why do they get all their games on fta but we don't in Victoria? Bias towards w.a and s.a from the AFL.

Because it was part of paying the $4mil licence fee. We give you $4mil, when the TV rights were less than $4mil a year in WCE's case, and for that we get to see our team on TV every game, away games live, home games on delay to protect the gate.

 

[RedV3x]

Another report that the AFL is likely to receive an huge increase in its Rights' from 2025.

Good to hear but it's another report that the AFL is likely to receive an huge increase in its Rights' from 2025 that belongs on the media rights page.
When the decision is made let's look at the implications then.

Former soccer Matilda's captain M. Barbieri said 16.6.16 on The Daily Football Show podcast that the number of girls playing AFL would increase

Probably a good interpolation of present results considering the profile of AFLW.

and soccer diminish from its current huge numbers

Probably a good interpolation of present results and future pojections.

and many elite young females players would switch from soccer to the AFL if AFL offered better remuneration.

The window for existing elite women soccer players switching to AFLW is decidedly narrower now
the numbers low anyway.

 

[BringBackTorps]

1. AFLQ official B. Gibson said last week (seek my link 15.7 above), there was "...a record number of females playing our game this year", referring to female club comp. players in Qld. in 2022.

This is reflected in the very strong BFC AFLW team- which has currently 28/32 of its players being Queenslanders; & the strength- & AFLW pathway- of the QAFLW comp.

AFLQ said 23.7

"The Lions list now boasts 28 of the possible 32 players coming from Queensland. Starcevich said the QAFLW competition has played a huge role in their recruitment process.

'It’s fantastic. We trust the competition,' he said.
The QAFLW is a very strong state-league and we trust the quality of player coming through.'

Koenen said the QAFLW played a huge role in where she is now in her career.
'The QAFLW competition is now a natural pathway to AFLW,' she said.
'It’s just growing every year. You can see how much input the players have put into it.'

Grider said that the Queensland pathway from grassroots to AFLW was strong".

All Queenslander Lions AFLW Leadership Group | AFL Queensland

www.aflq.com.au

Qld. female AF comp. nos. are growing to record nos. every year- & this growth is very likely to continue in the near future.
Furthermore, the high & increasing skill levels in the QAFLW etc. are a virtuous circle- it encourages more interest etc. in the QAFLW, & encourages more females to play AF: this helps advance AF in Qld.







2. You said above the AFL doesn't worry about other sports- then you later made these comments below.

The AFL worries about it's product and constantly analyses it's situation and others.
The AFL obviously takes note of developments in other sports but it doesn't worry about other sports.

You are twisting yourself in verbal knots, & contradicting yourself. The AFL obviously worries about its main competitors in NSW, ACT, & Qld.- this is common sense, & you are being obtuse & disingenous to deny it.

Bjo187 provided you with a podcast reference, where A. Demetriou again stated recently the AFL wanted 2 Clubs in Sydney, so there would be a game in Sydney nearly every week; & with the creation of GWS, this would assist the AFL in not being swamped by RL & soccer, & GWS would also provide more MSM traction for AF in Sydney & NSW. AF was concerned by NRL omnipresence in the MSM there. You then said you were not aware Demetriou said this.
Your claim of ignorance of this important issue for the AFL is very odd- this was commonly expressed by A. Demetriou, & other AFL officials; & the AFL's views have also been referenced many times by MSM AF experts. it is reasonably common knowledge.

The AFL operates in a business-like fashion- & all major businesses compare themselves to their main competitors, compare KPI's etc. They "worry" about them, & regard them as "competitors"...standard business practices (inc. examining similar competitors, to ascertain levels of remuneration for their own senior executives).

The whole soccer World Cup saga, where soccer wanted Docklands etc. clearly shows the AFL "worries" about other sports.
Your denials, re the AFL's attitudes, are absurd.

Another more recent example, c.18 months ago, occurred when G. McLachlan expressed his displeasure that all GPS schools in Brisbane were continuing their bans on GPS school AF comps. (previously linked in this Thread).

Do you realise that the PNG is neither in NSW or Qld, which this thread is all about.

The possible inclusion into the NRL of PNG or Pasifika NRL teams, & Federal govt. funding of Pasifika RL, are relevant to this Thread. This Thread is about the relative positions of AF & RL.
The NRL is seeking $60m of Federal govt. funding to promote RL in PNG & the Pacific. You have previously mentioned that the NRL is able to obtain many elite RL players from these regions; & can obtain more if its local no. of elite NRL recruits declines.

Improving, therefore, their Pasifika elite recruitment strengthens the standards of the NRL; & makes it easier for RL to repel AF advances in Qld. & NSW, cf the NRL comp. comp. faltering, due to declining standards.

FFS demise/decline and your complaining aboput my definition of "competition"

I have never said, nor implied, as you claimed I said, RL in NSW & Qld. is facing its "demise".
I have only stated male contact GR RL nos. are in a significant, long term decline.

There is a major difference between the words demise, & decline- which, obviously, you know.

In Sydney's north & east, GR AF has a shortage of grounds, which you have previously claimed you were aware of- but you claim AF des not compete with other sports!

You have said that AF & RL are not competitors; but on 28.6 above, you said that "Sports are long term indirect competitors for money".
You contradicted yourself again- of course AF & RL are competitors in a whole range of areas, inc. "for money", in NSW, ACT, & Qld.!

 

[RedV3x]

AFLQ official B. Gibson said last week (seek my link 15.7 above), there was "...a record number of females playing our game this year", referring to female club comp. players in Qld. in 2022.

Yes, we know.
It's in those official statistics that says W.A. is doing O.K. as well.

You said above the AFL doesn't worry about other sports

Yes, the AFL worries about it's own performance, first and foremost.
It obviously monitors other sports for input.

The possible inclusion into the NRL of PNG or Pasifika NRL teams,

Has as no meaningful basis for appearing on this thread.
FFS are we now going to get every update on the PNG and Pacifica as well as the Dolphins and Pirates ?

I have never said, nor implied, as you claimed I said, RL in NSW & Qld. is facing its "demise".
I have only stated male contact GR RL nos. are in a significant, long term decline.

FFS demise/decline and you're complaining about my definition of "competition" .
Your re-posting of boring meaningless shyte is getting tedious.

 

[brutus76]

With men's game no
With Women's game yes

The two clubs i am involved with have both got girls teams for the first time here in Brisbane

AFL Queensland also implementing essentialy "Auskick for Mums" this year rolling out programs to get more women learning about the game and being involved in the game as Coaches or Team Managers with the hope of implementing some Women's Masters or women's AFL 9 a side comps in future

 

[jatz14]

Lol what a load of bullshit, why do they get all their games on fta but we don't in Victoria? Bias towards w.a and s.a from the AFL.

Money.

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[BringBackTorps]

1. More examples of the growth of female AF in Qld., inc. for older women.

M. Vinall said

"The AFLW is often praised for inspiring the next generation of girls coming through the Australian Rules Football ranks, and is credited for the increasing rates of female kids taking up the sport. But it is not just the young ones the league is inspiring.

Across Australia, the AFLW has spurred on vast amounts of women aged 20 and above to lace up footy boots for the first time and give what so many of them were denied as youngsters – because of their gender – a crack...

At Queensland’s Sherwood Football Club (snr club, in Brisbane), every year the women’s senior playing list sees a growth of around 20-30%, with players ranging from sixteen-year-olds through to women in their late 40s.
(Re no female players at SFC in 2016) Club president Andrew Thomson said

'The introduction of the AFLW changed this completely,' he says, attributing increased support from local governing bodies, including funding and strategic planning.

(SFC's) Women’s football director Lahnie Cooper agrees, saying the AFLW has had a flow-on effect where 'local football teams are expanding'. Notably, this includes also putting the idea of playing footy themselves on the radar for a lot of women, who now have somewhere to sign up (Emphases, & words in brackets, mine)".

‘Age is just a number’: the women inspired by AFLW to take up footy later in life | Marnie Vinall

The league, now in its sixth season, is not just inspiring young girls but women into their 40s too

www.theguardian.com

2.

With men's game no

GR AF (male & female) has had huge growth in SEQ since 2017- how can we predict accurately how big it will be by 2032?
(It's difficult to predict greater than 10 years in advance)

The NRL, obviously, is the dominant pro sport throughout all Qld., & will certainly retain that title for many years. The AFL, however, is improving in popularity in SEQ, & Cairns districts- but only has a tiny following in Qld. rural & non-coastal regional areas.

Re GR Auskick (5-8 y.o., generally), school comp. & club comp. AF player nos., AF nos. are now very close to GR contact RL school & club comp. nos. in the Gold Coast- Greater Brisbane (pop. 2.2m, & excluding the strong Ipswich District RL comp.)- Sunshine Coast corridor.
Anyone who predicted, in 1986 (or even 2006,) this GR RL/AF 2020 approx. parity would have been considered a fool, or insane.

The QRL said that the Brisbane Rugby League Juniors comp., on 24.7.20, only had c. 5000 regd. club players, male & female, U6 -U12 inc., in 498 teams (And c. 10% of this 5000 were Tag only!). Details on these extraordinarily low "heartland" BRLJ comp. GR nos. are in this link (click on red).

What are the chances of Footy overtaking league in NSW and Queensland?​

With Women's game yes

Are you referring to the AFLW, or GR female nos., in Qld., or both?

(The NRLW short comp., & female SOO matches' ratings, are strong-& smashing AFLW ratings in Qld. & NSW. The NRLW crowds, at start of games, are poor.
AFLW crowds in Qld. are relatively good, for a female domestic, standalone comp. ie not before or after an AFL game at the venue. Female GR contact RL nos. are now having significant growth in Qld.)

AFL Queensland also implementing essentialy "Auskick for Mums" this year rolling out programs to get more women learning about the game and being involved in the game as Coaches or Team Managers with the hope of implementing some Women's Masters or women's AFL 9 a side comps in future

Can you provide details?
Is this the new QuickKick for women 36 y.o+(if so, how do you judge its success/take-up)?

 

[RedV3x]

The AFL, however, is improving in popularity in SEQ, & Cairns districts- but only has a tiny following in Qld. rural & non-coastal regional areas.

Tiny ? I'm actually surprised at the number of AFLs in rural Queensland considering all the problems associated with being "rural".

AFLW ratings in Qld. & NSW. AFLW crowds in Qld. are relatively good,

That's all that matters really.

Is this the new QuickKick for women 36 y.o+(if so, how do you judge its success/take-up)?

By the number of women players ?

 

[Billy ray]

AFL Celebrates Registered Participants Record in Queensland | AFL Queensland

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