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Would love to know how many so called 'hush money' arrangements Shine has been a party to.
IF they want to play hardball I hope they have advised their client that he could end up in a world of financial hurt if he loses.
He was securing a win no matter what.that bloke kept saying hush money, buying silence blah blah, a journalist should have asked, ' do shine lawyers ever recommend their clients offer compensation with a confidentiality agreement attached"?
he was so trying to cash in on the ross lyon payout blacklash.
Heritier Lumumba 2.0
Fans: "i don't know who this bloke is, what he endured, or the specific facts of the case. But he's black and accusing someone of racism. Flog."
Fair dinkum - at least let this play out before jumping on him. We don't yet know the extent of his claims about harassment. We do know that as a young man he had to twice experience public acts of racism and honestly I can't imagine how hard that would be to deal with, or what impact that would have on the motivation and workplace performance of a young man in a high stakes environment. From the sounds of things, at best he didn't get the public support he wanted at the time, and his feelings were exacerbated by the 'banter' of his team mates, supposedly his closest allies. At worst, his own team mates and/or club engaged in casual racism and harassment that literally made him feel unwelcome
I'm surprised no one has accused him of staging for free kicks, to be honest...
Can you give me an example of "casual racism"Fans: "i don't know who this bloke is, what he endured, or the specific facts of the case. But he's black and accusing someone of racism. Flog."
Fair dinkum - at least let this play out before jumping on him. We don't yet know the extent of his claims about harassment. We do know that as a young man he had to twice experience public acts of racism and honestly I can't imagine how hard that would be to deal with, or what impact that would have on the motivation and workplace performance of a young man in a high stakes environment. From the sounds of things, at best he didn't get the public support he wanted at the time, and his feelings were exacerbated by the 'banter' of his team mates, supposedly his closest allies. At worst, his own team mates and/or club engaged in casual racism and harassment that literally made him feel unwelcome
I'm surprised no one has accused him of staging for free kicks, to be honest...
Can you give me an example of "casual racism"
Fans: "i don't know who this bloke is, what he endured, or the specific facts of the case. But he's black and accusing someone of racism. Flog."
Fair dinkum - at least let this play out before jumping on him. We don't yet know the extent of his claims about harassment. We do know that as a young man he had to twice experience public acts of racism and honestly I can't imagine how hard that would be to deal with, or what impact that would have on the motivation and workplace performance of a young man in a high stakes environment. From the sounds of things, at best he didn't get the public support he wanted at the time, and his feelings were exacerbated by the 'banter' of his team mates, supposedly his closest allies. At worst, his own team mates and/or club engaged in casual racism and harassment that literally made him feel unwelcome
I'm surprised no one has accused him of staging for free kicks, to be honest...
Maybe some people are so preoccupied by their own perceived disadvantage that they fail to achieve their goals and end up blaming "the system".
Maybe. Or maybe people actually face real disadvantage, real discrimination, and 'the system' needs to change?
Or, maybe, just maybe, we should listen to the perspectives of others and try to empathise with them. And perhaps, had the AFL and Gold Coast done a better job of this, they wouldn't be facing a court case in front of the human rights commission... nor would racism still be an issue 25 years after Nicky Winmar
H needs to work on his public speaking when he finishes 6th in the Copeland... and engagements with the Dalai Lama and requests for POTUS in that case Obama
#trancendenthubris now folks grow hair braids, channel Malcolm X MLK & Colin Kapaernick... pity that these AFL players are professional footballers and not professional social justice warriors... some rigour and intellect would go a ways...
you are very close to a thread ban, discuss the topic properly or go away#brinkmanship on the hashtagged shoulders of #me2 and #blacklives matter. Tabular rasa authenticity, I doubt
Listen to the language used... “My career was taken from me”. The guy believed he had a god-given right to be a sports star, and reality bit him on the arse. Several times.
It’s not exactly the 1930’s when Doug Nicholls was run out of Carlton. If I’m an employer, I see a bloke who finds it hard to get along with others, and hard to cope with not getting what he wants. Legal or not, I’m not taking the risk.
His main beef seems to be that his complaints to the Suns and the AFL were ignored, but then you're surmising that the AFL did wrong by making a big deal of how unacceptable the public incidents were ie the exact opposite of ignoring the problem. What do you propose they should've done?All right then, try to think about it from his perspective. Let's see if we can figure out WHY he feels this way. All hypothetical of course, but based on what is public knowledge so far:
Bloke moves to Australia as a kid, from Nigerian background. Grows up in a country where 'African' is code in the newspapers for all sorts of negative things, probably doesn't have a day go by as a kid where he isn't made aware of how different he is. Kid does the right thing - he looks around him, takes inspiration from other black people who are successful that he can see in this country (who are pretty much all sports people, with a few musicians thrown in too), and puts his effort into sports. Becomes a champion runner, plays several different sports, then sets his sights on playing footy professionally. Works his butt off, year after year, and finally, he makes it... he's a true success story so far.
And then, when he enters the footy club... its not what he had hoped. Not the professional, elite environment where colour doesn't matter, but its just more of the same. From day one, the blokes around him constantly draw attention to his colour, making inappropriate (sexual) jokes about him. But its all just banter, and he's seen it before, so he puts up with it, puts his head down, keeps working. Gets his chance to play his first game, steps on the field to live his dream... and cops a racial barrage from an opponent. Walks away feeling disillusioned.
Now, he sees the AFL respond. Sherman cops a 4-week ban, and is made out to be the bad guy, followed by the obligatory teary apology, and then 4 weeks later he's back on field and running around like nothing happened. Team-mates of Sherman make it all about themselves, call him, all hand-wringing and we're sorry and we don't know how he could do it. The AFL blames Sherman, makes out like racism is evil. And Wilkinson? Suddenly, instead of preparing for his next game, he's dragged along to a mandatory 'conciliation' session so Sherman can apologise face to face, and having to deal with all this attention. He's copping it on social media from the usual dickheads because he's now a target. Maybe he's offered counselling, like... he's damaged or something. The illusion that footy will be a place where he can excel based on his talent and his race won't be an issue is gone - now he knows, no matter who he is or what he does, he'll always be 'black'. And through it all, no-one really asks or listens to what he wants. No-one really asks how a 26 year-old opponent could have made it through 7-8 years in the AFL system and still think it appropriate to racially abuse an 18 year-old playing his first game.
Of course, he's pretty down about this, but persists. Yet suddenly, those 'jokes' his team-mates are making bite just a little bit more. To him, its pretty clear how Sherman came to think racial abuse was ok - because no-one confronts any of this stuff. So he's a bit down on motivation, but still he persists. Of course, its a pretty tough business, his team are a joke on-field and a bit of a mess off-field, so no-one really helps him deal with what is now a festering issue. A year or so later, he cops more racial abuse from fans. Once again, the AFL reacts, blames the attacker, never really confronts the issue of why this sort of thing keeps happening to a 19 year-old. Again, he's dragged out into the public spotlight, his interests not really looked out for, his attention taken away from his footy and on to his race. At this point, he's feeling a bit down about things, and that original dream that sustained all that effort is waning a bit...
Then year 3 comes around - maybe he does suck it up, puts his effort in. Still only 21 at this point, plenty of room to grow, etc. About half-way through the year the Goodes stuff happens. He sees a champion of the game, perhaps someone he idolised growing up, stand up for racism and... cop it from all sides. Club presidents make racist jokes about him and laugh it off. Goodes, a dual brownlow medallist and all-time great is reduced to a 'flog', told to shut up and stop complaining, victim-blamed for standing up to racism. Now he's really feeling miserable about things. The jokes and laughter in the change-rooms are a constant reminder of how inescapable his race is in this world, and he's finding it impacting on his performance.
At the end of the year, he gets delisted. He packs up ship, moves to Melbourne, ends up at the Northen Blues, who are just as much of a rabble, with even less support for players than GCS. Same casually racist comments from people around him, only now he's away from home, playing second-tier footy and over the next few months the dream just dies... His manager or someone around him suggests the NFL - hey, he's still young, great athleticism, what does he have to lose. So he gives up on the AFL dream and heads overseas for a shot at something else.
Can you really blame him for feeling the way he does about his career? That maybe if he hadn't had to deal with all that crap, that maybe if the AFL had responded differently, he might have had a better shot?
His main beef seems to be that his complaints to the Suns and the AFL were ignored, but then you're surmising that the AFL did wrong by making a big deal of how unacceptable the public incidents were ie the exact opposite of ignoring the problem. What do you propose they should've done?
All right then, try to think about it from his perspective. Let's see if we can figure out WHY he feels this way. All hypothetical of course, but based on what is public knowledge so far:
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All right then, try to think about it from his perspective. Let's see if we can figure out WHY he feels this way. All hypothetical of course, but based on what is public knowledge so far:
Bloke moves to Australia as a kid, from Nigerian background. Grows up in a country where 'African' is code in the newspapers for all sorts of negative things, probably doesn't have a day go by as a kid where he isn't made aware of how different he is. Kid does the right thing - he looks around him, takes inspiration from other black people who are successful that he can see in this country (who are pretty much all sports people, with a few musicians thrown in too), and puts his effort into sports. Becomes a champion runner, plays several different sports, then sets his sights on playing footy professionally. Works his butt off, year after year, and finally, he makes it... he's a true success story so far.
And then, when he enters the footy club... its not what he had hoped. Not the professional, elite environment where colour doesn't matter, but its just more of the same. From day one, the blokes around him constantly draw attention to his colour, making inappropriate (sexual) jokes about him. But its all just banter, and he's seen it before, so he puts up with it, puts his head down, keeps working. Gets his chance to play his first game, steps on the field to live his dream... and cops a racial barrage from an opponent. Walks away feeling disillusioned.
Now, he sees the AFL respond. Sherman cops a 4-week ban, and is made out to be the bad guy, followed by the obligatory teary apology, and then 4 weeks later he's back on field and running around like nothing happened. Team-mates of Sherman make it all about themselves, call him, all hand-wringing and we're sorry and we don't know how he could do it. The AFL blames Sherman, makes out like racism is evil. And Wilkinson? Suddenly, instead of preparing for his next game, he's dragged along to a mandatory 'conciliation' session so Sherman can apologise face to face, and having to deal with all this attention. He's copping it on social media from the usual dickheads because he's now a target. Maybe he's offered counselling, like... he's damaged or something. The illusion that footy will be a place where he can excel based on his talent and his race won't be an issue is gone - now he knows, no matter who he is or what he does, he'll always be 'black'. And through it all, no-one really asks or listens to what he wants. No-one really asks how a 26 year-old opponent could have made it through 7-8 years in the AFL system and still think it appropriate to racially abuse an 18 year-old playing his first game.
Of course, he's pretty down about this, but persists. Yet suddenly, those 'jokes' his team-mates are making bite just a little bit more. To him, its pretty clear how Sherman came to think racial abuse was ok - because no-one confronts any of this stuff. So he's a bit down on motivation, but still he persists. Of course, its a pretty tough business, his team are a joke on-field and a bit of a mess off-field, so no-one really helps him deal with what is now a festering issue. A year or so later, he cops more racial abuse from fans. Once again, the AFL reacts, blames the attacker, never really confronts the issue of why this sort of thing keeps happening to a 19 year-old. Again, he's dragged out into the public spotlight, his interests not really looked out for, his attention taken away from his footy and on to his race. At this point, he's feeling a bit down about things, and that original dream that sustained all that effort is waning a bit...
Then year 3 comes around - maybe he does suck it up, puts his effort in. Still only 21 at this point, plenty of room to grow, etc. About half-way through the year the Goodes stuff happens. He sees a champion of the game, perhaps someone he idolised growing up, stand up for racism and... cop it from all sides. Club presidents make racist jokes about him and laugh it off. Goodes, a dual brownlow medallist and all-time great is reduced to a 'flog', told to shut up and stop complaining, victim-blamed for standing up to racism. Now he's really feeling miserable about things. The jokes and laughter in the change-rooms are a constant reminder of how inescapable his race is in this world, and he's finding it impacting on his performance.
At the end of the year, he gets delisted. He packs up ship, moves to Melbourne, ends up at the Northen Blues, who are just as much of a rabble, with even less support for players than GCS. Same casually racist comments from people around him, only now he's away from home, playing second-tier footy and over the next few months the dream just dies... His manager or someone around him suggests the NFL - hey, he's still young, great athleticism, what does he have to lose. So he gives up on the AFL dream and heads overseas for a shot at something else.
Can you really blame him for feeling the way he does about his career? That maybe if he hadn't had to deal with all that crap, that maybe if the AFL had responded differently, he might have had a better shot?