Four years in and all you have is 'kick in to Jamar'? Get a clue Bailey.

[melbournemartin]

Hawthorn is not unique. Every team (except maybe us at times) uses a zone defence at kick ins. We were just exposed more than usual tonight because of how many points they kicked. Occasionally someone like Trengove sneaks in for a sneaky mark but that's about it.

I don't care how good you are in interviews. I don't care how good you are at nurturing young talent. You have had many years to try to get a decent kick in game plan and have completely neglected it.

We accepted many years of mediocrity with Daniher, we can't afford to do the same with Bailey.

You are a junior development coach masquerading as senior coach.

 

[demons64]

My emotional state at the moment has me agreeing 100%, but this did happen one round earlier last year and we recovered. I can't help thinking though that Malthouse is the man for the job. I'm not sure how a team can have 20 scoring shots to 2 against it in a quarter!! Even the Gold Coast seemed better organised.I'll try and remain positive.

 

[melbournemartin]

To be fair, Hawthorn does do the zone better than others but that's still no excuse. There wasn't even an attempt to try and orchastrate something different. There never has been. I can't remember ever seeing a competent kick in strategy. Sure, things come off every now and then with a bit of luck, and we got very little luck tonight, but we need more!

 

[Gazza_11]

You create your own luck too.

The main difference was how we failed to capitalise on Hawthorn's mistakes in the first half, and only took a small lead. In the second, we made a few blunders, they scored for each one and the momentum was gone. Which meant more mistakes, and they never took the foot off like we did.

 

[d33my]

Its a disgusting thing to watch, number one because it's so predictable, and number two because it makes Jamar look bad.

Bailey needs to address this now.

 

[Gazza_11]

You create your own luck too.

The main difference was how we failed to capitalise on Hawthorn's mistakes in the first half, and only took a small lead. In the second, we made a few blunders, they scored for each one and the momentum was gone. Which meant more mistakes, and they never took the foot off like we did.

 

[melbournemartin]

You create your own luck too.

The main difference was how we failed to capitalise on Hawthorn's mistakes in the first half, and only took a small lead. In the second, we made a few blunders, they scored for each one and the momentum was gone. Which meant more mistakes, and they never took the foot off like we did.

A FEW blunders?!?!?!?!?

They had 75 inside 50s to 35! The whole kick-in "strategy" was a blunder.

 

[Crusty Demon]

A FEW blunders?!?!?!?!?

They had 75 inside 50s to 35! The whole kick-in "strategy" was a blunder.

Is that figure correct? If so, that has to be the worst in our clubs history! Just stamps how pathetic our players and coaching staff were today! Heads will roll if this continues...

 

[demonfan9]

Our kick-ins are terrible. It seems that we wait so long to kick it in that the opposition has time to set up their zone. I want to see our players more switched on at kick-ins, getting to position quicker and providing better options.

 

[melbournemartin]

Is that figure correct? If so, that has to be the worst in our clubs history! Just stamps how pathetic our players and coaching staff were today! Heads will roll if this continues...

Dead set correct. Never seen worse in any game. Scoreboard flattered us massively.

 

[demonfan9]

There was a 10 minutes period in the third quarter where the ball did not go past the centre circle, such was their dominance and our patheticness (is that a word?)

 

[Crimson Azure]

I don't know what to Think of today, it really was the good, bad & ugly. Might need to ponder overnight.

 

[d33my]

such was their dominance and our patheticness (is that a word?)

I believe we coined it today.

 

[Gazza_11]

A FEW blunders?!?!?!?!?

They had 75 inside 50s to 35! The whole kick-in "strategy" was a blunder.

No I meant it all started with a few blunders, in a very short space of time. Upon which they capitalised and then we buckled under the pressure and made a billion more mistakes.

 

[Topkent]

No I meant it all started with a few blunders, in a very short space of time. Upon which they capitalised and then we buckled under the pressure and made a billion more mistakes.

just watched baileys press conference, he was pretty down but blamed the players in defence for poor skills and decision making for not being able to get the ball out of defence

 

[brock sylvia]

I was bitterly disapointed with our kick-ins. We look a very very ordinary side if we CONTINUALLY bomb it long to Jamar and expect him to take a pack mark. Yes that may work once every now and then and is a 'good get-out clause' however i have n idea why in that third quarter we decided that we would NOT be daring and would NOT try and use our run-and-carry game style that was so successful in breaking th hawks zone in the first half.

Absolutely mind-boggling stuff this was form not only bailey but the players as well. It seems to me that when the pressure gets turned up the players go soft and turn to water. Just bombing it long to Jamar every time proved that right now we are a bottom 4 team and until we can continually carry out some good run and carry out of defence then we will stay a bottom 4 team

 

[THE STING2]

A FEW blunders?!?!?!?!?

They had 75 inside 50s to 35! The whole kick-in "strategy" was a blunder.

This is the stat that will kill Bailey's career and I don't see it improving.

We can't get the ball out of our defensive area, we can't get clearences and we have no one who can take a strong mark up forward and we are suppose to be a future challenger to Collingwood's dominance? If that's the case they will probably win the next 15 premierships.

 

[THE STING2]

Absolutely mind-boggling stuff this was form not only bailey but the players as well. It seems to me that when the pressure gets turned up the players go soft and turn to water. Just bombing it long to Jamar every time proved that right now we are a bottom 4 team and until we can continually carry out some good run and carry out of defence then we will stay a bottom 4 team

I think the club is mentally is weak due to constant losing and I can't see that changing under Bailey.

 

[melbournemartin]

I don't actually think we're mentally weak. We just have a shocking gameplan. I know it's quite easy to look good on paper but, at least when potential is consider, we do look good on paper!

Bailey has just NEVER developed a kick in strategy. We're not very good at defending them either. Opposition teams always seem to find a way through our zone.

Take a young kid like Tapscott. We all love him. He's tough, courageous and skillful. Yet, Bailey has him kicking 60 metre bombs to Jamar/Martin and having us hope for the best. How is a kid going to learn from that?

Our clearance work was great in the second half but we were dominated in the second half when Sewell got going. Scully will be our best clearance player in a few years as his agility and handballing skills around the ruck contests are sublime. With Sylvia and Moloney in there we look awesome when things are going away but they aren't great defensively at the stoppages. Bail did alright in that area last night at least though.

 

[Ando727]

Take a young kid like Tapscott. We all love him. He's tough, courageous and skillful. Yet, Bailey has him kicking 60 metre bombs to Jamar/Martin and having us hope for the best. How is a kid going to learn from that?

Quite right. All good teams of the past decade have had pinpoint accurate kick ins to free players (players running off opponents) as the main strategy. Our current kick it long strategy is not a strategy at all - it's just a roll of the dice. It has no statistical reliability of success. All gameplan structures need to be based on a statistical likelihood of being effective.

Even if we are no good at it, we should be working towards a gameplan of accurate kick ins to defenders who know how to run off their opponent. That should be the first leg of a run and carry approach. Kicking it long is not skill-based and is preventing us from building a winning defence.

I really think our current lack of gameplan is going to prevent us from realise the potential of our "looks great on paper" list.

 

[RedLegs#5]

Very poor game. Melbourne need the mental strength to maintain momentum. Game plan needs tweaking too. Time for the coach to step up.

Better make up for it next week.

 

[cheney]

Hawthorn is not unique. Every team (except maybe us at times) uses a zone defence at kick ins. We were just exposed more than usual tonight because of how many points they kicked. Occasionally someone like Trengove sneaks in for a sneaky mark but that's about it.

I don't care how good you are in interviews. I don't care how good you are at nurturing young talent. You have had many years to try to get a decent kick in game plan and have completely neglected it.

We accepted many years of mediocrity with Daniher, we can't afford to do the same with Bailey.

You are a junior development coach masquerading as senior coach.

Agree 110%. Walking from the ground lst night my brothers and l bumped into Mike Sheahan, We spoke for 5 minutes and we told him the exact thing! I told him that Bailey needs to go as our game plan is non-exsistant! Although he didnt agree, he didnt disagree either! He also said it was a "shit" effort! I mentioned that he should put some heat on us in an article this week, hopefully he does.

 

[demonfromupnorth]

As I watched the second half onslaught, my mind wondered what my fellow supporters response to this would be…. Who would be blamed?

My prediction was correct.

As much as I hated watching everything falling apart yesterday and wanted to vent by breaking a lot of shi*, I cannot blame DB for what happened. Players need to at some stage, take responsibility for their actions.

As a player, you have an obligation to at times, sacrifice your game for the good of the team weather it be moving position to create space or blocking the opposition to allow your team mate the ball. I saw very little of this yesterday.

Anyone who has ever played the game at senior level will understand, when your kicking in, it is extremely difficult when the rest your team is *****ng stagnant! Of course we are going to bomb it long to the ruckman if everyone else is playing statues!

This is why we lost yesterday:

• We got smashed at the stoppages (midfield)
• We got smashed at the centre clearances (midfield)
• We were Lazy when we didn’t have the ball (everyone)
• Our Skills we terrible (backs and mids)
• We played like ‘front runners’ (everyone)

Before you go hammering the coach, take off the rose coloured glasses and start looking at the players, oh, I forgot, it much easier to go the other way.

 

[melbournemartin]

First: stop writing posts in Verdana font. It's a nightmare to quote.

Second: I don't doubt the failure of the players in the second half (well, second half of the third quarter and beyond) in the areas you mentioned.

Third: There is a bigger picture at hand though. Yes the players were stagnant but they need to have some direction from above. You could be the most energetic, pro-active player alive when it comes to receiving kick-ins, heck you could have a whole team of them, but if there isn't an overseeing direction from the coach then things simply won't function. As lazy as we may think our players were, I doubt they would have been too lazy to move 20 metres or so to a spot designated by the kick-in strategy (if we had one).

Fourth: I'm not one to easily fall into the "blame the coach" category. I do not doubt the difficulty of his job and the helplessness when it comes to some aspects of the game, like clearances for example when the Hawks simply had better clearance players. The kick-ins are one of the few instances in the sport when play is static and there is time to execute plays. Despite this, Bailey has been completely negligent in this area.

 

[Captain Jack]

I wonder what we would do at kick-ins if Jamar got injured? It might force someone like Davey to take a risk and weave through some traffic. Problem is, even when Jamar's 'resting' up forward, he's still on the wing along with our other forwards. Multiple issues need sorting then - kick-in strategy, and lack of forward set-up.