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With the money rumoured to be offered to Foyle, I like your chances if GS don't get offered anything better. JW probably smells a steal.
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*Bulls to sign Nocioni for roughly 3 mil a yr
*Doleac signed for half the MLE
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*Doleac signed for half the MLE
*Crawford trade to New York has collapsed
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We are over the cap, so can't really sign Damp straight up.
Apparently Dampier is more than happy to come to Memphis, however Golden State are trying to stiff him by not partaking in a sign-and-trade.
Like Port Adelaide, they'd rather penalise the player, rather than doing well for themselves and the player.
Oh well, if they continue to sook, we might just have to spend some money and look for another trade.
How does Memphis propose to get Dampier with Battier alone? Dampier will be after 9-10 million, so you'll have to meet that figure... so at the very least it's something along the lines of Battier and re-signed Swift.
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I think Golden State are just happy with the capspace, theyll have a ton of it when they dont pick up NVE's option next season. The only player that'd propably interest them is Battier, and I dont that being enough incentive to take back 10 mil salary to accomodate someone whos completely blasted the franchise during stages of the season.
...but don't you have to take back equal salary?
One of the best players outside the NBA from what I've heard.
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Yes considering both teams are/will be over the cap
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again poor management by GS if that is the case.why let your ego get in the way of making your team better?pay the man the dough trade him and move on.hasn't chris mullin taken over the GM role,if so he has started off terribly.
in saying that if i was a memphis fan i would prefer to keep battier and maybe move another SF like Mike Miller instead.might be a blessing in disguise if this trade falls through.
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Mike Miller has a fat contract and he has been injury prone his whole career.
Anyway,
Denver have offered a 6 yr/82.3 mil contract to Kenyon Martin...also with between a 15-20 mil dollar signing bonus
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Anyway,
Denver have offered a 6 yr/82.3 mil contract to Kenyon Martin...also with between a 15-20 mil dollar signing bonus
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Alot of offer sheets signed
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It's good to be the king...err a FA. If anything else, it'll make next year's fantasy comp challenging.Originally posted by Carmelo Anthony
Denver have offered a 6 yr/82.3 mil contract to Kenyon Martin...also with between a 15-20 mil dollar signing bonus
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Dallas Mavericks: Center Adonal Foyle re-signed with the Golden State Warriors on Wednesday, agreeing to a six-year deal worth nearly $42 million.
Though Foyle has been a defense-minded backup during his seven seasons in Golden State, the Warriors expect bigger things after rewarding him with a hefty contract. The shot-blocking specialist probably will get the starting job he craves next season, and he's eager for the opportunity.
"The money was nice, but it came down to a gut feeling about where you're going to be successful," Foyle said. "It's something that comes down to the way you feel."
Foyle, the eighth overall pick in the 1997 draft, spurned offers from Boston, Orlando and Milwaukee after conversations with the Warriors' new management team: executive vice president Chris Mullin, general manager Rod Woodson and coach Mike Montgomery.
"I was very impressed with what they had to say," Foyle said. "My coming back here has a lot to do with my confidence in those guys."
Dallas Mavericks: The Mavericks re-signed guard Marquis Daniels on Wednesday.
Terms were not disclosed.
The Dallas Morning News reported on its Web site that Daniels signed a five-year deal that includes a team option for a sixth season. The deal is guaranteed to pay him $30.625 million.
The sixth season, if exercised, would be worth another $7.9 million.
Daniels went undrafted out of Auburn. He earned the league minimum of $366,931 last season after making the roster in training camp.
He started the season near the end of the bench. He became a starter in March and into the playoffs.
Daniels became a commodity on the free-agent market after scoring 30 points in three of his 15 regular-season starts, and averaging 15.8 in the playoffs.
San Antonio Spurs: The San Antonio Spurs on Wednesday re-signed free agent forward Bruce Bowen and signed top draft pick Beno Udrih.
The team would not release contract details, but the San Antonio Express-News has reported Bowen's deal to be worth an estimated $12 million over three years.
The 6-foot-7 Bowen, one of the NBA's team perimeter defenders, was named to the All-Defensive first team last season after being on the second team for the previous three years.
Bowen, 33, averaged 6.9 points and 3.1 rebounds in 2003-04, his third year with San Antonio.
Udrih, a 21-year-old from Slovenia, was the 28th pick in last month's NBA draft to back up Tony Parker at point guard. According to the league's rookie salary scale, his guaranteed contract is valued at about $2.4 million over three years.
The 6-3 Udrih began the 2003-04 season with Avtodor Saratov in the Russian Superleague, where he averaged 19.2 points and 4.2 assists in five games. In January, he signed with Breil Milano in the Italy's top league, where he averaged 10.8 points and 2.3 assists in 16 games.
Milwaukee Bucks: Washington Wizards center Etan Thomas signed an offer sheet with the Bucks on Wednesday, giving the Wizards until July 29 to match it.
Bucks general manger Larry Harris flew to Washington, D.C., to deliver the offer sheet -- believed to be for six years and between $37 million and $39 million -- to the unrestricted free agent.
Thomas, a 6-foot-10, 260-pound post player from Syracuse, was the 12th overall pick in 2000 by the Dallas Mavericks, who traded him to Washington midway through his rookie year.
He didn't play that season because of a broken toe and was limited to 85 games combined the next two years in Washington. He had his best year last season when he played in 79 games, starting 15, and averaged career highs of 8.9 points and 6.7 rebounds.
Thomas made just over $3 million last season.
The Bucks need to shore up their interior defense. They recently lost unrestricted free agent Brian Skinner, who signed a deal to return to Philadelphia after averaging 10.5 points and 7.3 rebounds in 56 games for Milwaukee last season.
Boston Celtics: Free agent center Mark Blount re-signed Wednesday with the Celtics, who were eager to keep the four-year veteran while restocking their roster with young players.
The team announced the signing after the NBA's two-week moratorium on trades and free agent signings ended. Blount agreed to the six-year, $42 million contract last Thursday.
Blount, Boston's only significant unrestricted free agent, averaged career highs of 10.3 points, 7.2 rebounds and 1.3 blocks while playing all 82 regular-season games last season. Only Shaquille O'Neal had a better field-goal percentage than Blount.
After a turmoil-filled season in which coach Jim O'Brien resigned and the Celtics made three major trades, Blount expressed doubts about returning to Boston. But Doc Rivers was named coach and Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck said last month that chances were better than 50-50 that Blount would be back.
Boston's roster includes two players drafted last year, Marcus Banks and Kendrick Perkins, and four chosen this year, Al Jefferson, Delonte West, Tony Allen and Justin Reed.
Memphis Grizzlies: The Grizzlies signed free agent Brian Cardinal on Wednesday, adding size and experience to a team coming off the best season in franchise history.
Cardinal, a 6-foot-8, 245-pound forward, played in 76 games for the Golden State Warriors last season, starting 11. He averaged 9.6 points and 4.2 rebounds in 21.5 minutes, shooting 44 percent from 3-point rage -- third among NBA leaders.
Grizzlies president Jerry West, who has a reputation for spotting undervalued talent, called Cardinal "an excellent all-around player."
"He will provide additional shooting in an area that we felt needed help. In addition, he has a very high basketball IQ that we obviously covet in all our players," West said.
The terms of Cardinal's contract were not disclosed. The Commercial Appeal newspaper of Memphis cited sources in saying he signed a six-year deal for part of the $5 million midlevel allowance and must achieve specific goals to increase his pay.
The Grizzlies won 50 games last season and advanced to the playoffs for the first time in franchise history before being swept by the San Antonio Spurs.
Indiana Pacers: Brian Skinner is back with Philadelphia after a year's absence, adding size and depth to the frontcourt for a team he never wanted to leave.
"When I was here, I loved it," Skinner said Wednesday. "It's great to be back."
Skinner, 6-foot-9, 265 pounds, will compete for minutes at power forward and center. He signed a deal that could be worth $25 million over five years.
A first-round pick by the Los Angeles Clippers in 1998, Skinner averaged 10.5 points and 7.3 rebounds in 56 games for Milwaukee last season. He averaged 6.0 points and 4.8 rebounds in his only season with the 76ers in 2002-03.
Skinner has averaged 5.8 points and 5.1 rebounds in six seasons in the NBA while playing for four different teams. His best season was with the Bucks last year, averaging 10.5 points and 7.3 rebounds in 56 games. He started a career-best 54 games after only 49 combined the previous five years.
"I got the time, I got the opportunity and we had a bunch of guys that didn't have a lot of egos," Skinner said. "I had a lot of time to mature. I figured out what I could do and how I could do it."
Indiana Pacers: The Pacers have reached agreement to re-sign backup point guard Anthony Johnson for four years, a source tells ESPN. He appeared in 73 regular-season games for Indiana, averaging 6.2 points and 2.8 assists. He played in 20 playoff games for Indiana and got bigger minutes in the Eastern Conference finals in place of an injured Jamaal Tinsley.
Atlanta Hawks: The Hawks have reached agreement to re-sign center Jason Collier, giving him a two-year, $3.2 million deal, a source tells ESPN. A former first-round pick of the Houston Rockets in 2000, Collier had his best season for Atlanta, averaging 11.3 points and 5.6 rebounds in 20 games.
Dallas Mavericks: Center Adonal Foyle re-signed with the Golden State Warriors on Wednesday, agreeing to a six-year deal worth nearly $42 million.
Though Foyle has been a defense-minded backup during his seven seasons in Golden State, the Warriors expect bigger things after rewarding him with a hefty contract. The shot-blocking specialist probably will get the starting job he craves next season, and he's eager for the opportunity.
"The money was nice, but it came down to a gut feeling about where you're going to be successful," Foyle said. "It's something that comes down to the way you feel."
Foyle, the eighth overall pick in the 1997 draft, spurned offers from Boston, Orlando and Milwaukee after conversations with the Warriors' new management team: executive vice president Chris Mullin, general manager Rod Woodson and coach Mike Montgomery.
"I was very impressed with what they had to say," Foyle said. "My coming back here has a lot to do with my confidence in those guys."
Dallas Mavericks: The Mavericks re-signed guard Marquis Daniels on Wednesday.
Terms were not disclosed.
The Dallas Morning News reported on its Web site that Daniels signed a five-year deal that includes a team option for a sixth season. The deal is guaranteed to pay him $30.625 million.
The sixth season, if exercised, would be worth another $7.9 million.
Daniels went undrafted out of Auburn. He earned the league minimum of $366,931 last season after making the roster in training camp.
He started the season near the end of the bench. He became a starter in March and into the playoffs.
Daniels became a commodity on the free-agent market after scoring 30 points in three of his 15 regular-season starts, and averaging 15.8 in the playoffs.
San Antonio Spurs: The San Antonio Spurs on Wednesday re-signed free agent forward Bruce Bowen and signed top draft pick Beno Udrih.
The team would not release contract details, but the San Antonio Express-News has reported Bowen's deal to be worth an estimated $12 million over three years.
The 6-foot-7 Bowen, one of the NBA's team perimeter defenders, was named to the All-Defensive first team last season after being on the second team for the previous three years.
Bowen, 33, averaged 6.9 points and 3.1 rebounds in 2003-04, his third year with San Antonio.
Udrih, a 21-year-old from Slovenia, was the 28th pick in last month's NBA draft to back up Tony Parker at point guard. According to the league's rookie salary scale, his guaranteed contract is valued at about $2.4 million over three years.
The 6-3 Udrih began the 2003-04 season with Avtodor Saratov in the Russian Superleague, where he averaged 19.2 points and 4.2 assists in five games. In January, he signed with Breil Milano in the Italy's top league, where he averaged 10.8 points and 2.3 assists in 16 games.
Milwaukee Bucks: Washington Wizards center Etan Thomas signed an offer sheet with the Bucks on Wednesday, giving the Wizards until July 29 to match it.
Bucks general manger Larry Harris flew to Washington, D.C., to deliver the offer sheet -- believed to be for six years and between $37 million and $39 million -- to the unrestricted free agent.
Thomas, a 6-foot-10, 260-pound post player from Syracuse, was the 12th overall pick in 2000 by the Dallas Mavericks, who traded him to Washington midway through his rookie year.
He didn't play that season because of a broken toe and was limited to 85 games combined the next two years in Washington. He had his best year last season when he played in 79 games, starting 15, and averaged career highs of 8.9 points and 6.7 rebounds.
Thomas made just over $3 million last season.
The Bucks need to shore up their interior defense. They recently lost unrestricted free agent Brian Skinner, who signed a deal to return to Philadelphia after averaging 10.5 points and 7.3 rebounds in 56 games for Milwaukee last season.
Boston Celtics: Free agent center Mark Blount re-signed Wednesday with the Celtics, who were eager to keep the four-year veteran while restocking their roster with young players.
The team announced the signing after the NBA's two-week moratorium on trades and free agent signings ended. Blount agreed to the six-year, $42 million contract last Thursday.
Blount, Boston's only significant unrestricted free agent, averaged career highs of 10.3 points, 7.2 rebounds and 1.3 blocks while playing all 82 regular-season games last season. Only Shaquille O'Neal had a better field-goal percentage than Blount.
After a turmoil-filled season in which coach Jim O'Brien resigned and the Celtics made three major trades, Blount expressed doubts about returning to Boston. But Doc Rivers was named coach and Celtics owner Wyc Grousbeck said last month that chances were better than 50-50 that Blount would be back.
Boston's roster includes two players drafted last year, Marcus Banks and Kendrick Perkins, and four chosen this year, Al Jefferson, Delonte West, Tony Allen and Justin Reed.
Memphis Grizzlies: The Grizzlies signed free agent Brian Cardinal on Wednesday, adding size and experience to a team coming off the best season in franchise history.
Cardinal, a 6-foot-8, 245-pound forward, played in 76 games for the Golden State Warriors last season, starting 11. He averaged 9.6 points and 4.2 rebounds in 21.5 minutes, shooting 44 percent from 3-point rage -- third among NBA leaders.
Grizzlies president Jerry West, who has a reputation for spotting undervalued talent, called Cardinal "an excellent all-around player."
"He will provide additional shooting in an area that we felt needed help. In addition, he has a very high basketball IQ that we obviously covet in all our players," West said.
The terms of Cardinal's contract were not disclosed. The Commercial Appeal newspaper of Memphis cited sources in saying he signed a six-year deal for part of the $5 million midlevel allowance and must achieve specific goals to increase his pay.
The Grizzlies won 50 games last season and advanced to the playoffs for the first time in franchise history before being swept by the San Antonio Spurs.
Indiana Pacers: Brian Skinner is back with Philadelphia after a year's absence, adding size and depth to the frontcourt for a team he never wanted to leave.
"When I was here, I loved it," Skinner said Wednesday. "It's great to be back."
Skinner, 6-foot-9, 265 pounds, will compete for minutes at power forward and center. He signed a deal that could be worth $25 million over five years.
A first-round pick by the Los Angeles Clippers in 1998, Skinner averaged 10.5 points and 7.3 rebounds in 56 games for Milwaukee last season. He averaged 6.0 points and 4.8 rebounds in his only season with the 76ers in 2002-03.
Skinner has averaged 5.8 points and 5.1 rebounds in six seasons in the NBA while playing for four different teams. His best season was with the Bucks last year, averaging 10.5 points and 7.3 rebounds in 56 games. He started a career-best 54 games after only 49 combined the previous five years.
"I got the time, I got the opportunity and we had a bunch of guys that didn't have a lot of egos," Skinner said. "I had a lot of time to mature. I figured out what I could do and how I could do it."
Indiana Pacers: The Pacers have reached agreement to re-sign backup point guard Anthony Johnson for four years, a source tells ESPN. He appeared in 73 regular-season games for Indiana, averaging 6.2 points and 2.8 assists. He played in 20 playoff games for Indiana and got bigger minutes in the Eastern Conference finals in place of an injured Jamaal Tinsley.
Atlanta Hawks: The Hawks have reached agreement to re-sign center Jason Collier, giving him a two-year, $3.2 million deal, a source tells ESPN. A former first-round pick of the Houston Rockets in 2000, Collier had his best season for Atlanta, averaging 11.3 points and 5.6 rebounds in 20 games.
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Bobcats sign
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Tamar Slay - They picked him up in the expansion draft, he mustve been a restricted free agent.
Jason Hart - From San Antonio
Tamar Slay - They picked him up in the expansion draft, he mustve been a restricted free agent.
I REALLY hope he stays but I reckon he might end up in LA or Phoenix. If he does leave (and I hope he doesn't), I would much rather him go to the Suns.
Ailene Voisin: With game on line, Vlade has a decision
By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PDT Wednesday, July 14, 2004
Vlade Divac has a wrenching decision to make. Within the next several days, the veteran center is expected to receive offers that - more or less - are substantially larger than what the Kings are willing and/or able to spend.
The Phoenix Suns are evolving and interested. The Los Angeles Lakers are armed with a $5 million exception and dangerous. Another two or three teams are thought to include Divac on their free-agent wish lists, convinced that at age 36, his presence is preferable to the alternatives.
For one thing, there are few quality centers. For another, there are even fewer individuals in the same league with Divac, an NBA star who immerses himself in his community, shares his wealth with his countrymen and the ball with his teammates, and who says that individual stats are meaningless - and actually means it.
"Everybody adores the guy," Kings president Geoff Petrie said Tuesday. "Those feelings aren't going to change. We would love to have him back. We'll try and give Vlade everything we've got, but this is one point in time ... we're in a transition. It's important over the next two years that we get under the luxury tax (threshold), and while I am still hopeful of signing him, the reality is that it might not happen."
Now this might not be monumental news in L.A., and in fact, when Divac was traded to the Charlotte Hornets in 1996, his departure was a mere afterthought to Kobe Bryant's acquisition and the shocking signing of Shaquille O'Neal. But in Sacramento? Were Vlade to leave?
The earth would move.
The sky would darken.
The Kings would lose again.
Small-market franchises - and this parochial market in particular - regard players as favorite sons, and Divac's influence these past six seasons has been incalculable; this is the older brother who presided benevolently over the Kings' emergence from perennial losers to NBA elite. He was the team's first major free-agent coup. The first legitimate center. The first player summoned to sign autographs, pose for photos, promote charities. The only player to address his fans after the most crushing defeats, including that Game 7 loss to the Lakers in 2002.
"It would kill me to see Vlade go to the Lakers after everything he has done for us," Joe Maloof murmured. "I don't know. Maybe we can make this work."
Divac's skills are undeniably diminished, of course. Those ridiculous low-post moves often result in the ball bouncing off the rim. The blocked shots are fewer. The movements are slow and slower. The defense appears in limited bursts.
In other words - and largely because of his size and exquisite passing skills - he would be a terrific backup to Brad Miller.
Trouble is, the Lakers and Suns need a starting center, and more than a handful of clubs are in desperate need of size. So what happens if Karl Malone retires and leaves that $5 million exception available? If the Suns - who almost signed Divac back in 1998 - make another lucrative run? If someone else tosses huge dollars onto the table? Does Vlade take the money and lumber on? Or does he stay where he has enjoyed his greatest success, settling for two years and a figure closer to $2 million to $3 million per season, and try to finish the job?
"I told him the other night, 'You make the decision,' " Ana Divac said, with a soft laugh, "because I don't want to be blamed later."
This is a huge dilemma for all concerned. The entire offseason has been burdensome, for that matter. Although intent on changing the chemistry that poisoned the locker room in the closing weeks, Petrie has been unable to trade Chris Webber (and his four-year, $80 million contract) and unwilling to dismantle the roster to accommodate the Lakers and Shaquille O'Neal's salary demands. ("We tried," Kings co-owner Joe Maloof said. "We looked at it hard. But it didn't make sense.")
Thus, with the Maloofs determined to limit the team payroll to $60 million and avoid another substantial hit from the luxury tax, Petrie is left with about $5 million to work wonders. To sign four more players. To keep Divac in the fold.
"I really want ... "
Pause.
"I really want Vlade back," Petrie added quietly.
On that long flight back from Belgrade later this week, Divac indeed has much to ponder. The cash. The tale of the two dramatically different California cities that he calls home. The attachment to his original team and loyalty to his last. The opportunity to capitalize on Shaq's move to the Eastern Conference. And this: the cautionary tales of aging icons who moved on, and in essence, were seldom heard from again. Patrick Ewing. Hakeem Olajuwon. Scottie Pippen. Malone ...
An exceptional player in his own right, Divac ultimately will be remembered as a King. He should retire as such. He deserves that much, his fans perhaps even more so.
"You know Vlade," Ana Divac said. "He doesn't have an ego. He wants to be wanted and needed. So it is very difficult. They really love him in L.A., and they love him here. This will have to be his decision."
A city waits.
Ailene Voisin: With game on line, Vlade has a decision
By Ailene Voisin -- Bee Columnist
Published 2:15 am PDT Wednesday, July 14, 2004
Vlade Divac has a wrenching decision to make. Within the next several days, the veteran center is expected to receive offers that - more or less - are substantially larger than what the Kings are willing and/or able to spend.
The Phoenix Suns are evolving and interested. The Los Angeles Lakers are armed with a $5 million exception and dangerous. Another two or three teams are thought to include Divac on their free-agent wish lists, convinced that at age 36, his presence is preferable to the alternatives.
For one thing, there are few quality centers. For another, there are even fewer individuals in the same league with Divac, an NBA star who immerses himself in his community, shares his wealth with his countrymen and the ball with his teammates, and who says that individual stats are meaningless - and actually means it.
"Everybody adores the guy," Kings president Geoff Petrie said Tuesday. "Those feelings aren't going to change. We would love to have him back. We'll try and give Vlade everything we've got, but this is one point in time ... we're in a transition. It's important over the next two years that we get under the luxury tax (threshold), and while I am still hopeful of signing him, the reality is that it might not happen."
Now this might not be monumental news in L.A., and in fact, when Divac was traded to the Charlotte Hornets in 1996, his departure was a mere afterthought to Kobe Bryant's acquisition and the shocking signing of Shaquille O'Neal. But in Sacramento? Were Vlade to leave?
The earth would move.
The sky would darken.
The Kings would lose again.
Small-market franchises - and this parochial market in particular - regard players as favorite sons, and Divac's influence these past six seasons has been incalculable; this is the older brother who presided benevolently over the Kings' emergence from perennial losers to NBA elite. He was the team's first major free-agent coup. The first legitimate center. The first player summoned to sign autographs, pose for photos, promote charities. The only player to address his fans after the most crushing defeats, including that Game 7 loss to the Lakers in 2002.
"It would kill me to see Vlade go to the Lakers after everything he has done for us," Joe Maloof murmured. "I don't know. Maybe we can make this work."
Divac's skills are undeniably diminished, of course. Those ridiculous low-post moves often result in the ball bouncing off the rim. The blocked shots are fewer. The movements are slow and slower. The defense appears in limited bursts.
In other words - and largely because of his size and exquisite passing skills - he would be a terrific backup to Brad Miller.
Trouble is, the Lakers and Suns need a starting center, and more than a handful of clubs are in desperate need of size. So what happens if Karl Malone retires and leaves that $5 million exception available? If the Suns - who almost signed Divac back in 1998 - make another lucrative run? If someone else tosses huge dollars onto the table? Does Vlade take the money and lumber on? Or does he stay where he has enjoyed his greatest success, settling for two years and a figure closer to $2 million to $3 million per season, and try to finish the job?
"I told him the other night, 'You make the decision,' " Ana Divac said, with a soft laugh, "because I don't want to be blamed later."
This is a huge dilemma for all concerned. The entire offseason has been burdensome, for that matter. Although intent on changing the chemistry that poisoned the locker room in the closing weeks, Petrie has been unable to trade Chris Webber (and his four-year, $80 million contract) and unwilling to dismantle the roster to accommodate the Lakers and Shaquille O'Neal's salary demands. ("We tried," Kings co-owner Joe Maloof said. "We looked at it hard. But it didn't make sense.")
Thus, with the Maloofs determined to limit the team payroll to $60 million and avoid another substantial hit from the luxury tax, Petrie is left with about $5 million to work wonders. To sign four more players. To keep Divac in the fold.
"I really want ... "
Pause.
"I really want Vlade back," Petrie added quietly.
On that long flight back from Belgrade later this week, Divac indeed has much to ponder. The cash. The tale of the two dramatically different California cities that he calls home. The attachment to his original team and loyalty to his last. The opportunity to capitalize on Shaq's move to the Eastern Conference. And this: the cautionary tales of aging icons who moved on, and in essence, were seldom heard from again. Patrick Ewing. Hakeem Olajuwon. Scottie Pippen. Malone ...
An exceptional player in his own right, Divac ultimately will be remembered as a King. He should retire as such. He deserves that much, his fans perhaps even more so.
"You know Vlade," Ana Divac said. "He doesn't have an ego. He wants to be wanted and needed. So it is very difficult. They really love him in L.A., and they love him here. This will have to be his decision."
A city waits.
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Calkins: Cardinal rule - 'OK to have winners'
By Geoff Calkins
July 15, 2004
And on the first day of free agency, Jerry West got his Warrior.
Some will tell you it was the wrong Warrior.
Not the 6-11 center, but the 6-8 forward.
Not the human rebound, but the human bruise.
Not Erick Dampier, but Brian Cardinal.
Even Cardinal's father, Rod, understands what has to happen next.
"He's got to get Damp down there," Rod says. "Bring the big guy along and you'll see something next year."
But Cardinal is the first piece and thus the topic for the day.
The early bird and all that.
And for those of you who think Cardinal is an uninspired signing, just another guy in the assembly line, we introduce you to Eric Musselman, a man who believed in the newest Grizzly enough to lose his job over him.
Musselman won't say this, exactly. People close to the Warriors swear its true.
Musselman coached the Warriors the last two years. He absolutely loved Cardinal. He wanted to give him minutes over Mike Dunleavy, even.
Which created the following problem: Dunleavy was a first-round pick. How can you bench a first-round pick in favor of 27-year-old guy who didn't get an invitation to join the team until a week before camp opened?
Musselman's answer: Because Cardinal's better?
Management's answer: Off with Musselman's head!
So Musselman was out, and Cardinal moved on and the Grizzlies now have a balding player with two nicknames and a published biography.
The nicknames, first. Might as well know what to call the guy when he arrives.
"At Purdue they had a contest to give me a nickname," Cardinal says.
The winner?
"Citizen Pain."
Because you dive for balls and stuff?
"Exactly."
That's the name of Cardinal's bio too. Citizen Pain. It's a kid's book, a story about a boy from small-town Illinois who succeeded through hard work and persistence.
Not to say the book didn't sell well, but here's Cardinal: "How many can I get you?"
The other name came from Jerome Williams, Cardinal's teammate on the Pistons. Williams must have not have heard about that big Purdue contest, because he told Cardinal he needed a nickname.
"We're going to call you the Custodian," Williams said. "Cardinal the Custodian, because you're all over the floor."
That one stuck. Although, honestly, it's a hard nickname to rally around.
You can chant "KO-BE!"
You can chant "HU-BIE!"
Now try, "CUS-TO-DI-AN!"
"I don't care what anyone calls me," Cardinal says, "I care about winning."
Ahhh, that. Ask Lou Henson about Cardinal and winning. Henson was the Illinois coach who decided not to recruit Cardinal.
Never mind that Cardinal's father had been the Illinois basketball trainer forever.
Or that Cardinal had been an Illinois ballboy.
Or that Cardinal wanted nothing more than to grow up and be Nick Anderson.
"Illinois wanted to go in another direction," Rod says.
Cardinal went to Purdue instead. In nine games against Illinois, Cardinal's Purdue team went 9-0.
Some direction.
"There are winning players, there are losing players and there's no gray area," Musselman says. "Brian is unquestionably a winning player."
Yeah, but don't the Grizzlies have enough of those guys? Don't they already have Shane Battier and Earl Watson and James Posey and Bo Outlaw and a whole bunch of players who bring the intangibles?
The new guy handles this one. He seems legitimately confused by the question.
"Can you really have enough guys who care about winning?"
By Geoff Calkins
July 15, 2004
And on the first day of free agency, Jerry West got his Warrior.
Some will tell you it was the wrong Warrior.
Not the 6-11 center, but the 6-8 forward.
Not the human rebound, but the human bruise.
Not Erick Dampier, but Brian Cardinal.
Even Cardinal's father, Rod, understands what has to happen next.
"He's got to get Damp down there," Rod says. "Bring the big guy along and you'll see something next year."
But Cardinal is the first piece and thus the topic for the day.
The early bird and all that.
And for those of you who think Cardinal is an uninspired signing, just another guy in the assembly line, we introduce you to Eric Musselman, a man who believed in the newest Grizzly enough to lose his job over him.
Musselman won't say this, exactly. People close to the Warriors swear its true.
Musselman coached the Warriors the last two years. He absolutely loved Cardinal. He wanted to give him minutes over Mike Dunleavy, even.
Which created the following problem: Dunleavy was a first-round pick. How can you bench a first-round pick in favor of 27-year-old guy who didn't get an invitation to join the team until a week before camp opened?
Musselman's answer: Because Cardinal's better?
Management's answer: Off with Musselman's head!
So Musselman was out, and Cardinal moved on and the Grizzlies now have a balding player with two nicknames and a published biography.
The nicknames, first. Might as well know what to call the guy when he arrives.
"At Purdue they had a contest to give me a nickname," Cardinal says.
The winner?
"Citizen Pain."
Because you dive for balls and stuff?
"Exactly."
That's the name of Cardinal's bio too. Citizen Pain. It's a kid's book, a story about a boy from small-town Illinois who succeeded through hard work and persistence.
Not to say the book didn't sell well, but here's Cardinal: "How many can I get you?"
The other name came from Jerome Williams, Cardinal's teammate on the Pistons. Williams must have not have heard about that big Purdue contest, because he told Cardinal he needed a nickname.
"We're going to call you the Custodian," Williams said. "Cardinal the Custodian, because you're all over the floor."
That one stuck. Although, honestly, it's a hard nickname to rally around.
You can chant "KO-BE!"
You can chant "HU-BIE!"
Now try, "CUS-TO-DI-AN!"
"I don't care what anyone calls me," Cardinal says, "I care about winning."
Ahhh, that. Ask Lou Henson about Cardinal and winning. Henson was the Illinois coach who decided not to recruit Cardinal.
Never mind that Cardinal's father had been the Illinois basketball trainer forever.
Or that Cardinal had been an Illinois ballboy.
Or that Cardinal wanted nothing more than to grow up and be Nick Anderson.
"Illinois wanted to go in another direction," Rod says.
Cardinal went to Purdue instead. In nine games against Illinois, Cardinal's Purdue team went 9-0.
Some direction.
"There are winning players, there are losing players and there's no gray area," Musselman says. "Brian is unquestionably a winning player."
Yeah, but don't the Grizzlies have enough of those guys? Don't they already have Shane Battier and Earl Watson and James Posey and Bo Outlaw and a whole bunch of players who bring the intangibles?
The new guy handles this one. He seems legitimately confused by the question.
"Can you really have enough guys who care about winning?"
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University of Illinois fans hate him, even if he is a local.
Hes a good role player, maybe a bit more... but 40 mil for this guy is too much.
Ahh well good luck to him, he was extremely interested in joining us early in free agency but we were obviously not going to offer him the deal Grizzlies offered.
Hes a good role player, maybe a bit more... but 40 mil for this guy is too much.
Ahh well good luck to him, he was extremely interested in joining us early in free agency but we were obviously not going to offer him the deal Grizzlies offered.
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He DIDN'T get $40M.
He got a six year deal that will see him earn about $18M base. If he lives up to all his incentives (which is unlikely), he would receive $30M over those 6 years.
The absolute most he can earn per year is $5M, dunno where the $40M rubbish came from.
Standard MLE contracts have 10% rises per year. IIRC, players receiving MLE contracts this year will be on approx. 7.5 million per in the final year... all years adding up to $38 mil maximum.
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Its been reported everywhere that the deal was 6 yrs/39 mil
Hvae you got a source which claims its that low, because I havent seen one yet that says otherwise. Still a 6 year deal is crazy for someone whos had 1 good season off the bench, I hope this means the end of the luxury tax next season...and the bulls actually re-signing one of their free agents.
Hvae you got a source which claims its that low, because I havent seen one yet that says otherwise. Still a 6 year deal is crazy for someone whos had 1 good season off the bench, I hope this means the end of the luxury tax next season...and the bulls actually re-signing one of their free agents.
Best of luck to Jason. Works his butt off, hustles, can be a steady player on an expansion team and has a good attitude.
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That's not the contract he is on. He is getting PART of the MLE, not all of it.
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Here you go:
This from a Ronald Tillery article in the Memphis press:
And from the ESPN article, Borgsta posted:
And this from another article in the Memphis press:
Definitely not getting the entire MLE, even if he reaches all the incentives (which is highly unlikely).
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Alright thanks Phat, seems like yous got a pretty decent deal, though 6 years I still think is alot. Hes a good player and the type of player everyone needs.
