Game Day Freo v WCE - Preseason Game 1

[meima]

Correct me if I am wrong our backline/mid is not that new apart from hamling ,blakely , weller .
Griff, suban,sutty,ibbo ,Dawson ,spurr ,mundy, ,d.pearce ,sheriden all got enough pre season,chemistry and afl game to perform in a reasonable level.

 

[freoextra]

I've had enough of Ibbotson, Suban, D Pearce, Johnson, Sutcliffe and Griffin.


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Very harsh on Johnson but agree with the others.

I will be delighted if Johnson can have a full year for us, we need his skill and ability to run more than ever.

 

[Ysaye]

Who was playing in the centre square apart from Fyfe and Griffin most of the time? (Sorry genuine question not sarcasm). Presumably Mundy, Blakely, S Hill and Suban? Anyone else? Was anyone playing a run-with role?

Secondly, were we finding it hard to get it out of defence like last year; or was our main problem it was going from the centre to the forward line very quickly?

 

[meima]

Who was playing in the centre square apart from Fyfe and Griffin most of the time? (Sorry genuine question not sarcasm). Presumably Mundy, Blakely, S Hill and Suban? Anyone else? Was anyone playing a run-with role?

Secondly, were we finding it hard to get it out of defence like last year; or was our main problem it was going from the centre to the forward line very quickly?

Based on yesterday match , problem All of the above .time to drop players that have 50 games or more afl experience and don't bring in effort .

 

[go_the_dockers]

Did anybody notice this was the first practice match?
It was a practice match - we played at half pace.
Next game, we will improve. I am astounded by the trash written in these comments like it is home and away season.
Show me a team that has won the NAB cup and gone on to win the premiership, and I will accept your pathetic reasoning to why players are failing.
We improved as the game went on. That is all. That is it.

FFS - it is pre season - no injuries is massive good times. That is all I care about. We went half pace in a game that means nothing. So what

I will admit, that I did not like the long kicking into a a forward line behind the ball. I did like the way in the second half how we shut their game plan down. So what happens in season proper? Who knows?

We won the NAB cup last year and that set up our season

 

[sportsmaniac89]

Positives:

Dandenong beat Perth in the WNBL Semi-Final 1st Match last night

I didn't sit through that rubbish Freo effort (based on comments here)

Negatives:

People losing their shit over ONE practice game. Seriously I saw the score early on and just laughed because I actually didn't give a shit. Some perspective might be needed.

 

[free at last]

Bit disappointed we got belted so easily but clearly the Eagles are going to finish top four IMO,so the performance has to be put into perspective.

-Tabs,McCarthy,Kerstan & Apeness will clearly not play together once the real stuff starts.I think I'm done with Tabs,he must be so team & coach demoralising,twice he dropped marks coming out from a kick out which at this level,simply are required to be held.Tabs marks them and the ground opens up behind him for us.

Our rebound from half back was still an issue,Weller showed a bit there.Worth persisting with Weller down back.Langdon & BHill are going to be crucial to us when transitioning our back six IMO.

With the additions of Sandi,Neale & Bennell,big improvement will come IMO.

 

[Unique Name]

Positives:

Dandenong beat Perth in the WNBL Semi-Final 1st Match last night

I didn't sit through that rubbish Freo effort (based on comments here)

Negatives:

People losing their shit over ONE practice game. Seriously I saw the score early on and just laughed because I actually didn't give a shit. Some perspective might be needed.

Sooo you didn't watch it, but you think you can give comment on why we shouldn't lose our shit.

I think we're being fairly measured. That game was worse than anything we dished up last year. If that game was for points believe you me the melting would soo much worse.

For what it's worth they cut to ross a few times with his head in his hands and you could see he was disappointed in his interview.

We'll know a lot more after next week. Another game with those effort levels and then we'll really start melting.

 

[Mr Peabody]

Sooo you didn't watch it, but you think you can give comment on why we shouldn't lose our shit. I think we're being fairly measured. That game was worse than anything we dished up last year. If that game was for points believe you me the melting would soo much worse. For what it's worth they cut to ross a few times with his head in his hands and you could see he was disappointed in his interview. We'll know a lot more after next week. Another game with those effort levels and then we'll really start melting.

So true. Lots of talk about keeping things in perspective but if one wants the perspective of the inner circle on what was dished up, I'd strongly urge all to listen to RTB's presser. Mentioned a lack of work rate more than 5 times in his 7 minutes. Hopefully that was largely the issue. We embarrassed ourselves (his words) as there is no excuse for not working hard. Even when we got near it early on we fumbled and stumbled. He said that they are not that good and we are not that bad.

From my armchair, we made them look like the Harlem Globetrotters doing circle work with their swift ball movement and clean skills due to a lack of pressure. We were their witches hats yesterday - just agreeing with the Coach.

 

[Deveraux]

If it's the same display against Carlton in 12 days time then I'll be concerned however I can honestly say I'm as optimistic as I was 24hrs ago, which for me personally was about 9th position on the ladder come season's end.

Those of you who's worlds are ending should curb your expectations and be patient. I expect the difference between 1st and 2nd halves yesterday will be a similar comparison to 1st and 2nd pre season games.

Me, I'm excited as hell for next weekend, bring it on boys!

 

[meima]

If it's the same display against Carlton in 12 days time then I'll be concerned however I can honestly say I'm as optimistic as I was 24hrs ago, which for me personally was about 9th position on the ladder come season's end.

Those of you who's worlds are ending should curb your expectations and be patient. I expect the difference between 1st and 2nd halves yesterday will be a similar comparison to 1st and 2nd pre season games.

Me, I'm excited as hell for next weekend, bring it on boys!

I don't know it is coincidence , last year last game where bulldog got nothing to play for freo perform well( especially ibbo) . This year pre season game eagles leading around 60 point in first half , freo perform better in second half . look like freo opposition ease off rather then them improve their intensity.

 

[dcutter]

Of all the teams that required a real blow the cobwebs like hitout, its Fremantle.
The change in personnel in addition to sheer amount of players coming back from long term injuries is significant and needs to be put in context.

Whilst they looked dismal, if I was a fan I'd probably reserve judgement until their second game...fyfe, johnson, mcarthy, apeness et al. will be better for the run after lengthy layoffs in addition to a new look outfit desperately needing game time to gel and find their feet.

Above all, it should also be noted WC was playing their second game. A key factor easily forgotten in a lopsided affair where fans are seemingly all too eager for signs of pre season optimism.

 

[DudleyDocker]

It's great to see the perspective from supporters of other teams. Sometimes we are too emotionally invested to see the bigger picture.

I think most of us have predicted a slow build this year, and yesterday was just the start of it. Those predicting we will beat Geelong in round one ate setting themselves up for a big fall I think.

All I want to see is improvement each time they get on the park, and yesterday leaves us LOTS of room to improve.

Let's see how we go week two against the Pies - I expect a much better performance. Win ? Lose? Don't really care as long as we take a significant step forward.

 

[Carnthedockers]

Based on yesterday match , problem All of the above .time to drop players that have 50 games or more afl experience and don't bring in effort .

Exactly. Our leaders just aren't leading. Where was mundy ffs!

 

[wayToGo_]

Did Mundy play in the midfield in the first half? I tried to watch who was lining up at the bounces and he didn't seem to be from what I saw but I may have missed him. re they just trying to pump experience in to our young mids? Blakely, Sheridan, SHill and Fyfe seemed to be the ones mostly inside. Fyfe was the only one winning the hard ball imo - 16 contested possessions! I thought the other three were well under par with their inside work and West Coast were just walking it out of there despite us dominating the hit outs.

Like last year, we can easily criticise the forward and back lines but really the lack of pressure through the midfield was appalling. And pressure all boils down to work rate and intensity and until the last quarter and a bit we didn't show much of that at all. I still think they should give Tucker some time as an inside mid as he seems to have everything else covered for a mid and surely he can provide more than Sheridan did yesterday? Some of his inside 50 entries should have ended in goals also (missed shots). In contrast to Danyle who had 6 inside 50s but I don't remember any ending in a mark?

I can't see any reason for Suban to play another AFL game. Ibbo, Sheridan and Tabs really weren't good enough imo. Neale for Sheridan, Sandi for Griff, Cox for Tabs, and Hughes for Ibbo. Put Crozier back @ HBF, Mundy in the middle, and tell our midfield to wake the f' up.

 

[Scham]

Of all the teams that required a real blow the cobwebs like hitout, its Fremantle.
The change in personnel in addition to sheer amount of players coming back from long term injuries is significant and needs to be put in context.

Whilst they looked dismal, if I was a fan I'd probably reserve judgement until their second game...fyfe, johnson, mcarthy, apeness et al. will be better for the run after lengthy layoffs in addition to a new look outfit desperately needing game time to gel and find their feet.

Above all, it should also be noted WC was playing their second game. A key factor easily forgotten in a lopsided affair where fans are seemingly all too eager for signs of pre season optimism.

Agree with what you're getting at but you don't think Rich and NM would have needed a blow the cobwebs out given their changes in personnel?

 

[meima]

other team play new toy in JLT, only freo not willing to do so apart from sean darcy and he is the one perform well.

As for Tab , Cam Mac and Apeness i will give them time to gel.
what is their afl games experience all add up, not include building chemistry?

 

[Scham]

Did Mundy play in the midfield in the first half? I tried to watch who was lining up at the bounces and he didn't seem to be from what I saw but I may have missed him. re they just trying to pump experience in to our young mids? Blakely, Sheridan, SHill and Fyfe seemed to be the ones mostly inside. Fyfe was the only one winning the hard ball imo - 16 contested possessions! I thought the other three were well under par with their inside work and West Coast were just walking it out of there despite us dominating the hit outs.

Like last year, we can easily criticise the forward and back lines but really the lack of pressure through the midfield was appalling. And pressure all boils down to work rate and intensity and until the last quarter and a bit we didn't show much of that at all. I still think they should give Tucker some time as an inside mid as he seems to have everything else covered for a mid and surely he can provide more than Sheridan did yesterday? Some of his inside 50 entries should have ended in goals also (missed shots). In contrast to Danyle who had 6 inside 50s but I don't remember any ending in a mark?

I can't see any reason for Suban to play another AFL game. Ibbo, Sheridan and Tabs really weren't good enough imo. Neale for Sheridan, Sandi for Griff, Cox for Tabs, and Hughes for Ibbo. Put Crozier back @ HBF, Mundy in the middle, and tell our midfield to wake the f' up.

Cox for Tabs is a big call at this stage wTG. Even Hughes for Ibbo, I think Mundy is a better option than both those two off HB, much better.

I don't think we need Mundy in the middle too much this year. Our first/best midfield set up should be Fyfe, Neale and SHill with BHill and Langdon on the wings. Blakely, Tucker and hopefully Bennell as the back up/second choice rotating through the middle. Mundy could cameo in there IF he's free to leave the backline.

 

[Righteo]

Suban, Griffin and Sutcliffe out.
Neale and Sandi back in.

Need to get hands on the ball next week.
200 less possessions. We're lucky we didn't lose by 100.

Incidentally the clearances were even around the ground and in the middle I think?

I don't think we can play with Taberner and Apeness together.

Not mobile enough.
Kersten did some nice things. Walters and Ballantyne worked hard and for Brad Hill ta get two goals when he was crook was pleasing. You could see he was suffering...had no run.





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Kersten vs Taberner should be an interesting subplot this year. Reckon Apeness gets more opportunity thanks to our deficient ruck stocks but as noted Apeness/Tabs presents an issue with the combined lack of mobility. An area Kersten (and Cam) have a distinct advantage in. Tabs needs to start clunking them at least semi-consistently because he's not particularly effective at ground level/chasing/setting up others etc

 

[wayToGo_]

Cox for Tabs is a big call at this stage wTG. Even Hughes for Ibbo, I think Mundy is a better option than both those two off HB, much better.

I don't think we need Mundy in the middle too much this year. Our first/best midfield set up should be Fyfe, Neale and SHill with BHill and Langdon on the wings. Blakely, Tucker and hopefully Bennell as the back up/second choice rotating through the middle. Mundy could cameo in there IF he's free to leave the backline.

Yeah fair enough, obviously we're not all going to agree at this time of year. I still think the McCarthy, Kersten, Apeness forward line is our best future option. I'd just like to see Cox in action in pre-season because he was the AA U18 CHB so he's clearly a talent - and I don't think any of those other 3 can be dropped to make room for him. But then again if Tabs is seen as definitely future B22 by RTB then I wouldn't drop him.

We got absolutely smashed in the middle, so I don't get the logic of not playing your third best inside mid off half back. The clearance numbers were pretty even but the quality of them was chalk and cheese. Mundy is our quality distributor and he's good defensively both of which I think we need more of in the middle. Does anyone think Mundy feels that comfortable playing from half back? IMO it's a bit like the Barlow at half forward from previous years.

 

[SHill Shall]

Silly (&) Billy

I resemble that

 

[Lach72]

Kersten vs Taberner should be an interesting subplot this year. Reckon Apeness gets more opportunity thanks to our deficient ruck stocks but as noted Apeness/Tabs presents an issue with the combined lack of mobility. An area Kersten (and Cam) have a distinct advantage in. Tabs needs to start clunking them at least semi-consistently because he's not particularly effective at ground level/chasing/setting up others etc

He dropped 3-4 regulation marks which meant the ball went the other way, when we should've been transitioning into attack


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[dcutter]

Agree with what you're getting at but you don't think Rich and NM would have needed a blow the cobwebs out given their changes in personnel?

Yes true but these games were pretty close and I'd mount a pretty strong argument they didn't have their key play makers all coming off lengthy, serious long term injuries.

Mcarthy is being asked to assume key responsibility for a foward line - he hasn't played in 18 months.
Fyfe - almost 9
Johnson - 9
Apeness has played like what 5 games or so...

even guys like Kersten were coming off restricted pre-seasons if I'm not mistaken .

Anyway, I'm not sure who the dockers play next but I'd be more willing to withhold a verdict on their seasons potential fortunes til after that..

 

[Freo]

Yeah fair enough, obviously we're not all going to agree at this time of year. I still think the McCarthy, Kersten, Apeness forward line is our best future option. I'd just like to see Cox in action in pre-season because he was the AA U18 CHB so he's clearly a talent - and I don't think any of those other 3 can be dropped to make room for him. But then again if Tabs is seen as definitely future B22 by RTB then I wouldn't drop him.

We got absolutely smashed in the middle, so I don't get the logic of not playing your third best inside mid off half back. The clearance numbers were pretty even but the quality of them was chalk and cheese. Mundy is our quality distributor and he's good defensively both of which I think we need more of in the middle. Does anyone think Mundy feels that comfortable playing from half back? IMO it's a bit like the Barlow at half forward from previous years.

Mundy was pretty ordinary down back when he started his career. His game really took off when he was put in the midfield. IMO he is a mid and only a mid.

 

[sportsmaniac89]

Sooo you didn't watch it, but you think you can give comment on why we shouldn't lose our shit.

I think we're being fairly measured. That game was worse than anything we dished up last year. If that game was for points believe you me the melting would soo much worse.

For what it's worth they cut to ross a few times with his head in his hands and you could see he was disappointed in his interview.

We'll know a lot more after next week. Another game with those effort levels and then we'll really start melting.

Last I checked, anyone can post their opinion.

As an aside, it's only a preseason game. The stats told the full story for me and as far as I'm concerned, it was 2016 all over again. Yes people are going to melt but let's be honest, it's a game of football that meant nothing. It was blowing out the cobwebs, nothing more, nothing less hence why I'm not concerned.