News Gabba Upgrade & Olympics News

[Gadzorks]

Here's the full interaction, at a press conference, which they included in the article:

....we've spoken about no new stadiums.

I've spoken about winning the lotto, becoming ceo of the Lions, going on a diet, running a pb half marathon. Speaking about something is not at all related to the end action.

Love it.

 

[BigCat2]

I don't have the same confidence some posters have in the LNP changing their mind and okay a new stadium after the election.
That depends a bit on whether he sticks by his recent comment that "no new stadium to be considered" will be included in the terms of reference.
I still can't confirm that comment that i heard though. Hopefully he did not say that, or a new stadium is stuffed.

On the private consortium. Was that what Swan and cricket put to them recently.
It believe it was a mix of private and government.
Either way if private is involved i don't think i will like the price of season membership.

Don't know.about confidence. Just know that if Miles re-elected it'll be QSAC which is the worst possible scenario. Anything from there is an improvement.

 

[Section 5]

Don't know.about confidence. Just know that if Miles re-elected it'll be QSAC which is the worst possible scenario. Anything from there is an improvement.

No necessarily if you are a Lions executive, or Lions season member.

A rebuild means 6 years with no home ground to play on.

A refurbished Gabba will have large chunks of the Gabba not used for long periods of time.
Remember the AFL will require x number of seats? put aside for opposition supporters.
Also, when the BCG members stand comes down, those members will be offered seats for sure
Season members may struggle to get seats and of course the capacity reduced.
Will be hard to fit 3 game members & other fans inside.

Victoria Park (huge preference) & QSAC (crap venue): Everything will be fine for the Lions and Cricket up until the Olympics.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Why do people think Crisafulli will go back on everything he's said in this campaign regarding the stadium, whereas Miles won't? Do people think that the LNP can be better relied on to say one thing during the campaign and do something completely different once in office? Cool, they sound great.

I wonder what other promises and assurances have they made that we can look forward to them ignoring

 

[Walshawk]

Why do people think Crisafulli will go back on everything he's said in this campaign regarding the stadium, whereas Miles won't? Do people think that the LNP can be better relied on to say one thing during the campaign and do something completely different once in office? Cool, they sound great.

I wonder what other promises and assurances have they made that we can look forward to them ignoring

Let’s face it. Nobody has any idea what will happen. And we won’t know for sure until somebody puts a shovel into the ground.

 

[Section 5]

I am not sure what Crisafulli will do in office as Premier and that includes the stadium issue.

I mentioned in post 5299 that i sent a detailed email to my local LNP member Tim Mander.
I was not going to bother sending one to Steven Miles as the polls had Labor way behind at that stage.
Decided what the hell, may as well send him one too.
It contained the same information i sent to Tim Mander on 2/10/24 but a different lead into the actual proposal.

I suggested a change of mind may help him retain some seats in Brisbane and who knows it may give them a slight chance of winning the election even though it is a long shot at this stage.
Received the auto standard reply. Only mentioning a response will be provided but no time frame as he gets lots of correspondence.
I also sent one to Greg Swan on Monday 7/10/24 but no reply from him to date.
Only 16 days till the State election.

 

[notliondown]

Why do people think Crisafulli will go back on everything he's said in this campaign regarding the stadium, whereas Miles won't? Do people think that the LNP can be better relied on to say one thing during the campaign and do something completely different once in office? Cool, they sound great.

I wonder what other promises and assurances have they made that we can look forward to them ignoring

The scary part of Crisafulli who is now coming under some actual media scrutiny is that he looks like a 1 trick pony. Scratch the surface or put him under the blow torch and apart from trotting out well rehearsed lines and numbers it really looks like he doesn't have a clue.

I watched him at the start of his career and he never struck me that way... now it's clear like every other politician that he is entirely poll driven on every subject.

I hoped he was just bluffing his way across the line with the stadium thing... now I have little confidence in him to actually break away from what ever the pollsters tell him even after the election.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

The scary part of Crisafulli who is now coming under some actual media scrutiny is that he looks like a 1 trick pony. Scratch the surface or put him under the blow torch and apart from trotting out well rehearsed lines and numbers it really looks like he doesn't have a clue.

I watched him at the start of his career and he never struck me that way... now it's clear like every other politician that he is entirely poll driven on every subject.

I hoped he was just bluffing his way across the line with the stadium thing... now I have little confidence in him to actually break away from what ever the pollsters tell him even after the election.

I'd urge anyone considering taking a punt on him reversing his position on the stadium to have a close look at his record on other issues first. Some of that stuff isn't getting much of a spotlight at the moment

 

[notliondown]

I'd urge anyone considering taking a punt on him reversing his position on the stadium to have a close look at his record on other issues first. Some of that stuff isn't getting much of a spotlight at the moment

Such as?

He's going to have a hard enough time reigning in the right wing extremists who want to turn Qld into an even closer version of Florida with their Trump loving BS as you can see in the media recently. There will be a lot of things that happen regardless of his personal wishes... that's party politics.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

Such as?

I'm not going to turn this thread on the main Lions board into a political discussion

 

[notliondown]

I'm not going to turn this thread on the main Lions board into a political discussion

I'm sorry if you took my post that way... that's not what I intended... I was merely making the point that he is going to have a hard time backing up the integrity of ANYTHING that he says given his own party is already in revolt before they win.

I would still - and I'm sure many others too without the need to get "political" - like to know why you said what you said.

This whole thread largely hangs on the trust/integrity/opinions/decisions of the politicians. In fact you could argue this whole thread revolves around politics - heavily.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

I'm sorry if you took my post that way... that's not what I intended... I was merely making the point that he is going to have a hard time backing up the integrity of ANYTHING that he says given his own party is already in revolt before they win.

I would still - and I'm sure many others too without the need to get "political" - like to know why you said what you said.

This whole thread largely hangs on the trust/integrity/opinions/decisions of the politicians. In fact you could argue this whole thread revolves around politics - heavily.

I'm not going to go into this any further because that's not what topics on the main board are for. This thread is political enough as it is and I don't want to be responsible for a mess that the mods would need to clean up.

 

[Section 5]

The article heading below "Let's dump the Olympics" is very misleading as that is not what it's all about. Just someone's comment.

'Let's dump the Olympics': Games host cities follow a predictable pattern, starting with excitement. Brisbane is at 'disillusionment'

There's a predictable pattern an Olympics host city goes through in the lead-up to holding the biggest sporting event on earth. First there's excitement, then there's disillusionment — that's arguably where Brisbane is now.

www.abc.net.au

There's a predictable pattern an Olympics host city goes through in the lead-up to holding the biggest sporting event on earth, according to economist John Quiggin.

First there's excitement. Your city has been chosen to be the focus of a global audience (never mind that you were the only bidder).

Then there's "disillusionment" — that's arguably where Brisbane is now.

When all is said and done, there's the third phase Olympic Games host cities go through: most people have a good time.

 

[notliondown]

The article heading below "Let's dump the Olympics" is very misleading as that is not what it's all about. Just someone's comment.

'Let's dump the Olympics': Games host cities follow a predictable pattern, starting with excitement. Brisbane is at 'disillusionment'

There's a predictable pattern an Olympics host city goes through in the lead-up to holding the biggest sporting event on earth. First there's excitement, then there's disillusionment — that's arguably where Brisbane is now.

www.abc.net.au

There's a predictable pattern an Olympics host city goes through in the lead-up to holding the biggest sporting event on earth, according to economist John Quiggin.

First there's excitement. Your city has been chosen to be the focus of a global audience (never mind that you were the only bidder).

Then there's "disillusionment" — that's arguably where Brisbane is now.

When all is said and done, there's the third phase Olympic Games host cities go through: most people have a good time.

Surely that coincides with the decision to just get on with it? The reconciling of we might as well make the most of it?

It's the indecision and debate that's really the cause of the angst and unease at the moment isn't it? It's just a political football and a stinking mess right now.

Once a leader actually buckles down, talks with authority and gets on with the job the public will follow. When commitments are actually made people will pretty much ignore the process until the games themselves actually roll around.

 

[notliondown]

I'm not going to go into this any further because that's not what topics on the main board are for. This thread is political enough as it is and I don't want to be responsible for a mess that the mods would need to clean up.

Fair enough mate, all good

 

[Section 5]

LA before Brisbane, so what is happening in LA.
Brisbane should not be comparing or competing with Paris or LA.
Most of LA's big spending venue projects are completed and were purpose built for a particular sport so not specifically for the games.
It looks like the big spend will be at LAX and Metro that won't be included in the Olympic budget.

However, the LA Olympic budget is still $7 billion US

The LA28 Games are independently operated by a privately funded, non-profit organization with revenue from corporate partners, licensing agreements, hospitality and ticketing programs and a significant contribution from the International Olympic Committee.​

To minimize risk, LA28 has multiple protections against potential cost overruns, including rigorous and conservative budget estimates, an expected contingency and substantial insurance packages.
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[Section 5]

Came across this interesting Austadiums interactive site on stadiums.

Proposed & Rejected Stadiums | Austadiums

List of proposed and rejected Australian Stadiums, including future stadiums planned for the future and those that were never built.

www.austadiums.com

It has a list of stadiums that have been proposed and their current stasis as well as the rejected ones.
Interesting how they finally settled on the MCG site after rejecting the "Melbourne Olympic Stadium" site and others.
It looks like the powers that be got the MCG & Perth venues correct in the end. Verdict still out on the Sydney 2000 venue.
Will Brisbane get the correct result in the end? We can only hope they do.

Also interesting is in 1990 the below proposed 65k seat stadium for NRL "Rivercity Stadium" at Hamilton was rejected.
Hard to fathom that what you could get for $170 million in 1990 costs around the $3 billion mark today.


The 1990s quest for a Brisbane super-stadium saw the Borbidge coalition government come up with a 65,000-seat venue to be built by the river at Hamilton.

The $170 million Rivercity Stadium, part of a wider $900 million Hamilton residential development, was set to be Brisbane's answer to Sydney's Olympic precinct, with tennis and basketball to also have bases at the 84-hectare site in a secondary arena featuring a retractable roof next to the main rectangular stadium.

The cost of building the stadium would have been offset by commercial developments in the precinct, however the proposal drew criticism for potential traffic and flight path issues with Brisbane Airport nearby.

The election of the Beattie Labor government in 1998 saw an end to the Hamilton proposal and the area has since been transformed into the Portside precinct, including a cruise ship terminal, restaurants, the Eat Street Markets and residential developments.

 

[M Malice]

I have zero recollection of that proposal.

Victoria Park > > > > Rivercity Stadium.

 

[Section 5]

I have zero recollection of that proposal.

Victoria Park > > > > Rivercity Stadium.

Article from 2017 to jog some peoples' memory.
A list and description of 10 big projects that did not progress beyond the planning stage.
Brisbane Central 1986, Lang Park 1990's, Rivercity Stadium 1990, Brisbane Skypoint 1997, Vision & Trilogy around GFC time, Holy Name Cathedral 1929, North Bank 2008, Kangaroo Point Pedestrian Bridge 2013, The BaT Tunnel 2014, South Bank Two 2012.

Ten years later Lang Park got extra funding, The Kangaroo Point Bridge proposal got reinstated and will open this year. And this year another Southbank masterplan was announced. Queens wharf replaced North Bank. BaT Tunnel is now Cross River Rail.
Vision eventually became Brisbane tallest building Brisbane Skytower.

The Brisbane that never was: major city-shaping projects that did not get off the ground

Among the more audacious abandoned plans for the River City were blueprints for the tallest tower in the world, the largest cathedral in the southern hemisphere and a second South Bank. Here we count off 10 projects that came to nought.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

 

[Perrip]

Premier Steven Miles and Opposition Leader David Crisafulli go head to head

LNP stadium choice still clear as mud
Opposition Leader David Crisafulli has, unsurprisingly, dodged questions on where he thinks the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic stadium should be located.
Re-affirming he does not want to see QSAC as Brisbane’s main Olympic stage, Mr Crisafulli said he was asking Queenslanders for “100 days to sort out the mess”

 

[M Malice]

Premier Steven Miles and Opposition Leader David Crisafulli go head to head

At least he he has ruled out QSAC which is enough for his party to get my vote.

I hope Graham Quirk is on the 100 day review panel.

 

[Section 5]

The most important thing about the debate

 

[Section 5]

For those interested on the stadium question and both leaders' answers.
Scroll down to the very bottom 1.30PM- Watch the Debate Live on the link below.
The debate does not start until the 39-minute mark
The Olympics/stadium question starts at 1 hour 17 minutes.
Easy enough to start at that point without listening to the whole debate.

Briefly:
Opposition leader says no QSAC + the usual reply of a 100-day review
He then goes on about what getting the Olympics is all about, that being "road & rail".
That has nothing to do with choosing venues and is outside the Olympic venues budget of $7 billion.
Premier finally stated after 7 months why QSAC was chosen "keeping within the Olympic and Paralympic budget".

This (budget shortfall) is what i have been saying all along and have given options to stick to $7 billion and build a new stadium.

Qld election 2024: Live updates from second leaders debate as Labor’s Steven Miles and LNP’s David Crisafulli meet again | Party leaders quizzed on abortion, debt and cost-of-living relief

David Crisafulli and Steven Miles go head-to-head at the Queensland Media Club, where they are taking the opportunity to make their case while firing off questions at each other.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Dalions]

 

[Section 5]

Can SEQ traffic and public transport improve enough by the time the Olympic arrive in 2032.