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[notliondown]

I know we will continue to wring our hands over this for the next 100+ days - me as much as anyone - but it's pretty clear we have NFI as to how this will play out.

The language and positioning of key players has more fluidity than the Brisbane River.

And if we are honest, we know whatever is said now is easily re-framed and re-shaped to suit whatever outcome they like in 130 days. And there will be a million and one excuses as to why whatever they come up with is the right thing.

I'm hoping Crisafulli has sort of been at arms length as to any real in depth discussion about this because until now it hasn't really mattered and it was given short shift as a side issue when they were in opposition. It was an easy push back topic and one that really didn't require too much thought apart from not scaring the horses.

His promise that this committee is independent is vital. And that a costed - because NONE of these proposals have actually been costed as admitted by Miles (Bold is the closest to having been market tested) - and detailed report will change minds and open eyes.

Once they actually have to find value and legacy in their decision a bit more than lip service might have to prevail.

 

[lionraven]

I hope they try killing all the poors in their modelling. Im pretty sure that would give us the best outcome.

 

[mighty_lions]

https://archive.md/wkD1N

Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner’s shock rethink on Gabba 2032 Games stadium plan​

 

[Billy ray]

Surely you put it at Victoria Park, right next to the stadium.

But toombul will save money as you wont need to manually fill it up with water

I was just fooling around

 

[Johnny Bananas]

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/lnp-on-collision-course-with-feds-over-games-funding/news-story/a0ff9e7cc15042b1a1aaaaf78b09c11e

LNP on collision course with feds over Games funding​

An Olympic and Paralympic Games funding war is brewing, with federal Infrastructure Minister Catherine King slapping down Queensland’s attempt to revisit the agreement to split the cost of the event.

After new state Infrastructure Minister Jarrod Bleijie’s declared all Games venues and funding agreements would be on the table as part of the LNP’s 100-day review, Ms King warned uncertainty would lead to cost blowouts and construction delays.

The Courier-Mail on Tuesday revealed the state had inquired with the federal government about using some of the cash allocated to the $2.5bn Brisbane Arena – or the $935m for minor venues – to help build its main athletics stadium.

It prompted Ms King to write to Mr Bleijie warning him against attempting to rewrite their funding agreement.

“It is the Commonwealth’s expectation that this agreement continues,” she said.

“Significant progress is being made on these projects with the Brisbane Arena joint business case well under way, and a significant number of minor venues program projects already approved and under procurement.

“The Commonwealth is concerned that any delay to these projects as a result of another review risks increasing the costs of these important projects and will ultimately mean projects are delayed and Queensland taxpayers have to pay more, as construction costs increase.”

Ms King said the Brisbane Arena and minor venues with finalised business cases should continue to progress.

Bad news, Section 5

 

[Grasshopper17]

But toombul will save money as you wont need to manually fill it up with water

I was just fooling around

My bad. Thanks for exposing my lack of understanding of Brisbane's topography!

 

[Grasshopper17]

Ms King warned uncertainty would lead to cost blowouts and construction delays.

Oh well we wouldn't want any of those now would we Ms King. Oh, wait...

 

[Elixuh]

I’ve been saying it for years. Fill in the Brisbane river and build it in the green space created near the cbd.

 

[Section 5]

https://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/qld-politics/lnp-on-collision-course-with-feds-over-games-funding/news-story/a0ff9e7cc15042b1a1aaaaf78b09c11e

LNP on collision course with feds over Games funding​

Bad news, Section 5

Politicians are the pits.
I agree with one thing Catherine King says and that the Minor Venues is well under way and just leave that alone.
This is about the only thing that has progressed in 3 years.
Posters may be asking who Catherine King MP is.
She recently signed (22/8/24) the updated Minor Venues agreement with Grace Grace.

https://federalfinancialrelations.gov.au/sites/federalfinancialrelations.gov.au/files/2024-09/Brisbane%202032%20MVP%20FFA%20-%20Sept%202024.pdf

I can't find a similar document for Brisbane Arena so maybe it is not advanced enough to get resigned by both state and federal

I love Catherine Kings comment "Ms King warned uncertainty would lead to cost blowouts and construction delays".
Maybe she has forgotten that the Brisbane Arena costs blew out to over $4 billion (Quirk Review).
And that was before any construction started.
Quirk had to recommend some other sites but settled on one very close by, being Roma Street Parkland and recommended an urgent validation report into the site.
I am not sure what that validation report will reveal when it finally surfaces.
I doubt it will be within the $2.5 billion maximum commitment by the commonwealth.

The Commonwealth were always worried about The Gabba costs blowouts.
This is why then PM Morrison opted for Brisbane Arena (Brisbane Live), a so-called safer bet, with funding to a maximum of $2.5 billion in case they were wrong. The state funds any excess.
So, it looks like it is getting back to the uncertainty on costs regarding The Gabba. Full circle after years of nothing.

King also mentions "with the Brisbane Arena joint business case well under way".
What does this actually mean as they are still awaiting a validation report as far as i know. Surely that's a starting point.
It most likely means that they have made a joint business plan with someone like Live Nation or Harvey Listers company ASM Global. Maybe some penalties if either party pulls out.
What if the validation report comes in at $3 billion will they still proceed because things are "well under way"

 

[Section 5]

Federal funding agreement for Brisbane Olympics under review CIM

The review into the infrastructure plan for the 2032 Brisbane Olympics will also examine the funding agreement between the state and federal governments to split the cost of Games.

www.cimbusinessevents.com.au

“The $2.5 billion Brisbane Live was just a federal government contribution. The federal government refused to commit to the stadium infrastructure.

“Now we know why, because they didn’t trust the former government to get that right either.

“It will form part of the review, and I understand through the department of the federal government that the Brisbane live is currently subject to a program validation report.

“I’ll be interested to see that report, and whether it says the $2.5 billion even stacks up.”

 

[Chucky_23]

Rewriting history’: Schrinner adamant new stadium was always planned
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Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner has ramped up his call for Brisbane to have better stadiums as a lasting legacy of the 2032 Olympic and Paralympic Games.

As the new LNP government prepares to launch its 100-day review of Games venues, Schrinner wants all options considered – including the original proposal for an Olympic stadium at Albion.

He made the comments at a Brisbane City Council meeting on Tuesday, after Premier David Crisafulli declined to say what the review would encompass.


“What’s my opinion on Olympic stadiums? We want the best legacy outcome for Brisbane, that’s my position,” the LNP lord mayor told an at-times rowdy council meeting.

“Where will that be? I have an idea on where it might land. It won’t be at QSAC.”

While Crisafulli has also ruled out the former Labor government’s plan for an athletics stadium at the Queensland Sport and Athletics Centre, he has left the remaining options open to speculation.

Visiting Townsville on Tuesday, Crisafulli again refused to clarify whether his “no new stadiums” pledge ruled out private sector proposals for greenfield sites, or a complete, multibillion-dollar rebuild of the Gabba, as was previously planned.

With the terms of reference for the review yet to be released, Crisafulli told journalists he loved the fact people were talking about the need for “generational infrastructure”.

“There will be a plan that turns around the sense of embarrassment that Queenslanders are feeling,” he promised.

Schrinner said the Gabba – which the former government opted not to rebuild due to public concerns over the cost – still needed work, and Brisbane “needs an oval stadium” for AFL and cricket.

“There’s reporting floating around saying the Gabba will reach the end of its life by 2030, so I guess the question is do we just get rid of our oval stadium and not have another one?”

Schrinner reiterated “all options need to be on the table”.

“Read my lips, all options,” he told City Hall.

“That includes ‘is there a better way to do the Gabba’, because the previous option was costly and disruptive. There’s got to be a better way. Is there a better way?

“Victoria Park needs to be on the table, and Hamilton Northshore, and, while you’re looking, have a look at Albion again because that was the original proposal.”

Since Brisbane’s bid for the Games was floated, Albion has gone from having the main stadium to no venues at all.

The review conducted by former LNP lord mayor Graham Quirk for the Labor government proposed a new oval stadium at Victoria Park – only for then premier Steven Miles to opt for QSAC instead, with some money left over to refurbish the Gabba and Suncorp Stadium.

QSAC would have had some temporary seating, but would revert to a suburban athletics venue after the Games. It was the preferred option of Australian Olympics powerbroker John Coates, in line with the “New Norm” policy meant to prevent host cities from being left with expensive but underutilised facilities.

Coates has expressed his views to Crisafulli but not revealed them publicly.

Schrinner rejected claims the LNP would be breaking a promise if it built a new stadium, saying that had always been factored into the plan for Brisbane 2032.

“A main stadium was always part of the agenda to be built,” he said.

“There’s a bit of rewriting of history here, with people saying we never had to build a new stadium. Rubbish. It was always part of the arrangement.

“We need to make sure this is done with independence and rigour.”

 

[Perrip]

South Bris could matter tbh. One of the reasons McMahon got elected ahead of Trad in 2020 was the decision from the LNP to preference Greens ahead of ALP on their South Bris ticket, they're not doing that this election.

It's hella ironic that going against the Gabba rebuilt was one of the main reasons McMahon failed to get re-elected

Antony Green:

The ECQ have begun distributing LNP preferences in South Brisbane, the party having finished third behind Labor after the distribution of One nation preferences. This means Labor has gained South Brisbane from the Greens.

 

[notliondown]

Sooooooo.....

If we scrap Brisbane Arena.....

And build Vic Park.....

That's still no new stadiums.

Refurb the Gabba into a smaller venue to replace Brisbane Arena and problem solved.

 

[scoman]

Sooooooo.....

If we scrap Brisbane Arena.....

And build Vic Park.....

That's still no new stadiums.

Refurb the Gabba into a smaller venue to replace Brisbane Arena and problem solved.

Perfect

 

[BigCat2]

Sooooooo.....

If we scrap Brisbane Arena.....

And build Vic Park.....

That's still no new stadiums.

Refurb the Gabba into a smaller venue to replace Brisbane Arena and problem solved.

One problem may be access. Arenas need to have underground access usually for trucks and be able to bring in equipment. The current Gabba doesn't allow that. Maybe the smaller footprint of the arena compared to stadium means you can tunnel down, but it would still be difficult.

Victoria Park on the other hand has natural undulations in the terrain. If you design cleverly, you can have underground access without too much digging.

 

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This video just 1 day old so up to date.
Not much we have not seen before but he did get an interview with Crisafulli just before the election.

 

[Perrip]

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BREAKING: Qld Cricket & Brisbane Lions join forces writing to Premier asking for New Stadium to be considered. Vic Park is preferred option.“100 day review Terms of Reference need to have ALL options on the table" - 7 News Brisbane

 

[Chucky_23]

Heard casually today that QUT is doing some basic preliminary type planning on the basis that Vic Park is a strong possibility to go ahead. There could be some extension/adaption of the KG campus precinct on the Vic Park side to draw people through to the campus and KG urban village for transport (incl parking), restaurants, bars etc. There are plans for a new School of Medicine and further development of a Health, sport and recreation precinct on campus which could be complementary to park facilities/activities and link through to RBWH

The black section below is current Health faculty. The sports field is built on top of a 2 story car park and can be raised higher. Red is the urban village

 

[Grasshopper17]

Heard casually today that QUT is doing some basic preliminary type planning on the basis that Vic Park is a strong possibility to go ahead. There could be some extension/adaption of the KG campus precinct on the Vic Park side to draw people through to the campus and KG urban village for transport (incl parking), restaurants, bars etc. There are plans for a new School of Medicine and further development of a Health, sport and recreation precinct on campus which could be complementary to park facilities/activities and link through to RBWH

Much of which formed part of the Brisbane Bold proposal.

A promising development. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Heard casually today that QUT is doing some basic preliminary type planning on the basis that Vic Park is a strong possibility to go ahead. There could be some extension/adaption of the KG campus precinct on the Vic Park side to draw people through to the campus and KG urban village for transport (incl parking), restaurants, bars etc. There are plans for a new School of Medicine and further development of a Health, sport and recreation precinct on campus which could be complementary to park facilities/activities and link through to RBWH

So we ain't bulldozing down the GABBA now, think we might have a little problem with the school near by:

 

[brutus76]

Toombul is a good idea but they'd need to do some serious mitigation work to ensure it's flood proof and stable and some easy entry and exit roads

 

[Grasshopper17]

So foncused I thought it was already ruled out?

 

[Gadzorks]

So foncused I thought it was already ruled out?
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Where is this from?

 

[Section 5]

Channel 7 news in relation to the above X link

Jarrod Bleijie stated, "no new stadium" and "no to Victoria Park". He could not be clearer.

If they are that adamant to enforce this, i believe Crisafulli will put that in the terms of reference.
Crisafulli has mentioned this before. If he does, the new authority won't go down that path like Quirk did.

I now only see The Gabba happening in Brisbane.
It can only be a rebuild (a new stadium anyhow). Result we play at the RNA (i think it will be no costs to AFL/cricket) or move to Carrara.
Or it's done in stages which i believe will be worse, but we will have somewhere decent ground wise to play home games if that happens.
Thats until you turn comes around to be kicked out of your section for ages. Maybe you find some seats if you're lucky.

I will now turn my thinking to getting Carrara up and running as an athletics venue even though it's needed for T20 cricket.
After all Carrara was the IOCs choice for athletics anyhow so they won't be against that idea.
I don't care much anymore if it just looks like a better version of QSAC or how they find extra space to find accommodation for athletics people in the village.

How do these people get and keep their job. Oh, i know we elect them so it's really our fault.

 

[Dalions]

Channel 7 news in relation to the above X link

Jarrod Bleijie stated, "no new stadium" and "no to Victoria Park". He could not be clearer.

If they are that adamant to enforce this, i believe Crisafulli will put that in the terms of reference.
Crisafulli has mentioned this before. If he does, the new authority won't go down that path like Quirk did.

I now only see The Gabba happening in Brisbane.
It can only be a rebuild (a new stadium anyhow). Result we play at the RNA (i think it will be no costs to AFL/cricket) or move to Carrara.
Or it's done in stages which i believe will be worse, but we will have somewhere decent ground wise to play home games if that happens.
Thats until you turn comes around to be kicked out of your section for ages. Maybe you find some seats if you're lucky.

I will now turn my thinking to getting Carrara up and running as an athletics venue even though it's needed for T20 cricket.
After all Carrara was the IOCs choice for athletics anyhow so they won't be against that idea.
I don't care much anymore if it just looks like a better version of QSAC or how they find extra space to find accommodation for athletics people in the village.

How do these people get and keep their job. Oh, i know we elect them so it's really our fault.

There is still Hamilton.