Gameday v Collingwood

[King Elvis]

Seriously, what makes you think anyone on this board would care for your perspective on this issue?

This.

I appreciate that you've tried to make your post in a reasonably friendly manner, but why make it at all?

As I said earlier, for somebody clearly intelligent enough to identify that we should watch TV and listen to the Radio (ignoring the delay), it should be pretty simple for you to just go away.

And this is from somebody who loves BT and didn't mind the call today, but there is no need for you to come here and comment on it.

 

[porpoise]

Everyone fire up and start blaming Neil Craig.

This is your cue

This is your moment

This is your time to shine

Give it your best shot... don't sugar coat it... tell em why we should have won... and don't what ever you do fail to mention Taylor Walker which we all know is the reason we lost aside from Neil Craigs ability to coach in 4th quarters.

Post of the day

 

[Macca19]

But they didn't have 4 280+ game players in their side at the same time which would have affected our ability to get game time into (at least 4 kids).

Not entirely true is it.

Lockyer was a 12 year, 230 game player who played 25 games the year prior to retirement.
O'Bree was a 13 year, 250 game player who played 25 games the year prior to retirement.
Presti was a 15 year, 230 game player who played 25 games the year prior to retirement.
Fraser was a 11 year, 200 game player who played 17 games the year prior to leaving.

All left at the end of last year, all missed the premiership as all were successfully weened from the lineup and replaced during the year.

Everyone knew the 'perfect storm' was coming for the Crows and its been the source of many threads on here for about 5 years, but the Pies did it successfully and won a flag to boot.

 

[King Elvis]

None of them are comparable to Edwards, Goodwin or McLeod.

 

[footy4ever]

None of them are comparable to Edwards, Goodwin or McLeod.

Exactly. So easy to manoeuvre those players out of it in comparison to the quality of ours. What were you thinking Macca

 

[sliver member]

This is spot on. At half time I knew we would lose it by 5 goals.

Malthouse was always going to make changes and NC would do nothing to counteract it.

Anyone that says we played 3 and a half good quarters of football is completely dreaming. We played a good half, the capitulation started well before the last quarter.

that is very very harsh, i would say the capitulation started after wright kicked goal to put us up by 23 points in the last quarter.

The fact is collingwood come at us from the start of the third quarter but for a quarter and seven to eight mintutes we stood tall and had the answers, with the lead only been cut by seven points

If you told me before the game we would lead by 30 points at half time and collingwood would charge at us from the start of the third quarter and only able to cut the lead by seven points with 6-8 mintutes gone in the final term i would have taken it.

 

[Macca19]

Rubbish. All 4 played in GFs, all 4 were keys to numerous finals series. 3 of them played every game in a side that made a Prelim the year before. O'Bree 2nd most disposals that year, Lockyer 5th. Fraser most hitouts. To suggest they werent important to their structure for the best part of a decade is silliness. I'd say if you were to tell Pies fans they'd win a flag with those 4 players with 900 games experience playing 0 finals between them....I dont know many would have beleived that.

Were they as brilliant as the big Crows 3? No. But that wasnt the question. Jenny said that Collingwood didnt have 4 long term players taking games away from kids, which they actually did.

 

[MarcusP2]

Well, to whoever was asking when was the last time an established team capitulated that easily, I think the Bulldogs just displayed an equal effort.

 

[The Karma Bus]

I think rather than dropping the Edwards, Goodwin types in the last couple of years - which was not required anyhow- it was while we had these good players in the team still that we should have been playing a few more young ones by dropping the average players in our team..

Some of those Collingwood boys were not pulling their weight quite enough and Mick knew he had to start preparing for the future so he wasn't scared at all to drop them back and play others..

Neil tho..

 

[crowsup]

Rubbish. All 4 played in GFs, all 4 were keys to numerous finals series. 3 of them played every game in a side that made a Prelim the year before. O'Bree 2nd most disposals that year, Lockyer 5th. Fraser most hitouts. To suggest they werent important to their structure for the best part of a decade is silliness. I'd say if you were to tell Pies fans they'd win a flag with those 4 players with 900 games experience playing 0 finals between them....I dont know many would have beleived that.

Were they as brilliant as the big Crows 3? No. But that wasnt the question. Jenny said that Collingwood didnt have 4 long term players taking games away from kids, which they actually did.

That may be true, Macca, but we did not have 3-4 top ten picks to give game time to.

See, when you get good picks, like Danger and Smith, players that can play a decent game in their first year, get more exposure to AFL and therefore get more experience earlier.

So, if we had bottomed out in 2007-2008, we could now have players like
Scully or Natanui or hill who now have more than 20-30 games experience.

So we did make a mistake. We should have sacked our stars in 2006.

 

[ltdamn]

Some posters on here were unhappy enough about the foxtel commentary to post about it repeatedly throughout the match, and there is a pro-Adelaide radio station covering the game live...

I have a suggestion to make, but I am afraid its simplicity will cause offense to those who couldn't come up with it on their own

Not everyone watching the game lives in Adelaide. Some of us are stuck with the TV commentary, in fact we pay good money each month to listen to it.

 

[Godallblighty]

Actually, I don't think I have read a comment on bigfooty with regards to commentary and journalists that didn't suggest some bias against the posters club.

I know some of you will get territorial about this, as it is the Adelaide board omg we can't have someone that has another team name written under their alias say stuff that isn't 100% fluffy, gotta take it out on someone... but it is pathetic how many people have nothing better to do than a) notice and b) continually complain about this perceived injustice. Such people are watching the game with a completely different focus to myself... gross.

I didn't hear BT's call today so have no opinion on that specifically but, as a general rule, both these statements are pretty accurate. Accusations of bias on here are usually quite...er, biased themselves. And folks are ridiculously territorial.

 

[Territory Magpie]

Not everyone watching the game lives in Adelaide. Some of us are stuck with the TV commentary, in fact we pay good money each month to listen to it.

Just on this issue of the radio call being out of synch with the TV call, something just occurred to me: assuming there's a 7-second delay and that you have Foxtel IQ, why not use the record function to delay your TV viewing by 7 seconds - problem solved!! Not entirely sure if this would work, but it should in theory at least.

 

[JP Sauce]

Or we could, you know... get a more balanced commentary from a national broadcaster.

 

[PieBeast]

I didn't hear BT's call today so have no opinion on that specifically but, as a general rule, both these statements are pretty accurate. Accusations of bias on here are usually quite...er, biased themselves. And folks are ridiculously territorial.

Exactly, we get the same sort of moaning on our board when our games are televised on channel 10. To be honest I hardly pay attention to the commentators and concentrate on how is my side going.

PS. Way too much doom and gloom posts in this thread, yes you're sick of these capitulations, yes it's an unpleasant feeling but you're definitely on the right track. Our intensity in the second half was simply too much for your youngsters to withstand. Sloane will be a player.

 

[Bockchoy67]

Just on this issue of the radio call being out of synch with the TV call, something just occurred to me: assuming there's a 7-second delay and that you have Foxtel IQ, why not use the record function to delay your TV viewing by 7 seconds - problem solved!! Not entirely sure if this would work, but it should in theory at least.

Nah, it would just make it worse.

The visual comes after the sound. Delaying the visual would only further the gap.

 

[AFC979810]

Not entirely true is it.

Lockyer was a 12 year, 230 game player who played 25 games the year prior to retirement.
O'Bree was a 13 year, 250 game player who played 25 games the year prior to retirement.
Presti was a 15 year, 230 game player who played 25 games the year prior to retirement.
Fraser was a 11 year, 200 game player who played 17 games the year prior to leaving.

All left at the end of last year, all missed the premiership as all were successfully weened from the lineup and replaced during the year.

Everyone knew the 'perfect storm' was coming for the Crows and its been the source of many threads on here for about 5 years, but the Pies did it successfully and won a flag to boot.

The Pies also had the following draft advantages to build their side:

2 Father Son Picks in Travis Cloke #39 (2004) and Heath Shaw #48 (2005)
2 Priority Picks in Alan Didak #3 (2000), Dale Thomas #2 (2005),
3 Top 10 draft picks since 2004 in Scott Pendlebury #5 (2005), Ben Reid #8 (2006), Nathan Brown #10 (2006)

Add in the fact they had another two top ten draft picks in their squad (Luke Ball #2 as a Priority Pick from St. Kilda) and Chris Tarrant #8 in 1997...

Compared to our incoming Draft talent list:

0 Father Son Picks - (Wouldn't Gibbs make a difference)...
0 Priority Picks
3 Top 10 draft picks since 2005 in Traded Pick 2 2002 Draft, Patrick Dangerfield #10 (2007), Phil Davis #10 (2008).

 

[ruscy002]

The Pies also had the following draft advantages to build their side:

2 Father Son Picks in Travis Cloke #39 (2004) and Heath Shaw #48 (2005)
2 Priority Picks in Alan Didak #3 (2000), Dale Thomas #2 (2005),
3 Top 10 draft picks since 2004 in Scott Pendlebury #5 (2005), Ben Reid #8 (2006), Nathan Brown #10 (2006)

Add in the fact they had another two top ten draft picks in their squad (Luke Ball #2 as a Priority Pick from St. Kilda) and Chris Tarrant #8 in 1997...

Compared to our incoming Draft talent list:

0 Father Son Picks - (Wouldn't Gibbs make a difference)...
0 Priority Picks
3 Top 10 draft picks since 2005 in Traded Pick 2 2002 Draft, Patrick Dangerfield #10 (2007), Phil Davis #10 (2008).

Irrelevant.

Our current administration has always stood by their philosophy of being able to rise back to the top without tanking, so our current situation has to be judged accordingly.

 

[AFC979810]

Irrelevant.

Our current administration has always stood by their philosophy of being able to rise back to the top without tanking, so our current situation has to be judged accordingly.

Not Irrelevant...

Have a look at the sides in the past 3 grand Finals and how many top 5 picks they have had.... You need talent to be the best side in the competition and with the draft system set up the way it is it would appear you need top 5 draft picks to win...

Also - have a look at the importance of these picks to the respective sides... You need top 5 draft picks to win flags... How we go about getting them is another issue.

Collingwood (10)- 3 top 5 Draft Picks (Didak, Pendles *Norm Smith, Thomas)

St. Kilda (09/10)- 3 top 5 Draft Picks (Kosi / Riewoldt / Goddard)

Hawthorn (2008) - 3 top 5 Draft Picks (Hodge, Franklin, Roughhead).

Geelong (07/08/09) - No real top 5 draft picks however had Ablett and Scarlett come through the Father Son rule in addition to the following top 10 picks (Joel Corey #8, Bartel #8, Joel Corey #8, Kane Tenace #7, Joel Selwood #7)...

 

[WillowSF]

Wow...just really soul destroying result. You were clearly the better team by a mile and not to even get close is mind boggling. Losses like this can be physcologically scarring and take the entire organization a long time to recover. I remember in 1995 the Hawks lost to Brisbane after being 7 goals up at 3 quarter time. We proceeded to lose the next eight games in a row and fall out of contention for the finals. We were rubbish for about 6-7 years thereafter. It was a crucial turning point for the worse. It's really important Craig gets the boys back up for a win otherwise it could be a really long season.

 

[Allefgib]

I don't think we need to be worried about that.

Whatever issues of mental weakness there are were/are already there. They were the source of the problem (arguably) rather than the other way around. (refer Melb/Port games this year and a number of games last year).

We also don't appear rely much on passion/emotion as a motivator, one of the benefits of this is that recovering from such an emotionally damaging loss won't be as a big an issue as it may be for teams that thrive on passion to win games. (having said that I think our balance could be better in this area )

I'm reasonably confident well easily beat the Lions this weekend.