MRP / Trib. Geelong MRO & Tribunal decisions 2023

[Jhye Clark 13]

He played the second half in the 2s today replacing Parfitt, call it reading the tea leaves.

I know. He's a player that needs to start. I've seen a lot of his junior career.

He builds.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

He would’ve got a week even if the media didn’t bring it up.
It’s exactly what they’re trying to stop

Thats ridiculous. Sling tackles are different because its 2 motions and there are alternative ways to execute bringing the player to ground.

But when you are already tackling a player legally around his waist and he falls forward you fall forward-its simple gravity. How else can you realistically contest that? (See mitch duncan)

We can challenge and i hope we do

 

[Pure_Ownage]

I know. He's a player that needs to start. I've seen a lot of his junior career.

He builds.

I know but realistically if we have 2 out (danger and close) its probably that parfitt starts and clark is sub unless dempsey is the sub.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

I've already loaded up.

It certainly will be tough to win with the amount of outs we will have.
If we manage to win this it will be huge.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Thats ridiculous. Sling tackles are different because its 2 motions and there are alternative ways to execute bringing the player to ground.

But when you are already tackling a player legally around his waist and he falls forward you fall forward-its simple gravity. How else can you realistically contest that? (See mitch duncan)

We can challenge and i hope we do

Absolutely.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I know but realistically if we have 2 out (danger and close) its probably that parfitt starts and clark is sub unless dempsey is the sub.

I'd start Clark straight in the middle. My opinion. I'd bring him straight in.

 

[calder_daddy]

Thats ridiculous. Sling tackles are different because its 2 motions and there are alternative ways to execute bringing the player to ground.

But when you are already tackling a player legally around his waist and he falls forward you fall forward-its simple gravity. How else can you realistically contest that? (See mitch duncan)

We can challenge and i hope we do

I could be completely wrong here but I don’t think it being or not being a sling tackle has anything to do with it, I think and again correct if I’m wrong, if you pin an arm and tackle and the head hits the ground without being able to protect themselves they get suspended

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I could be completely wrong here but I don’t think it being or not being a sling tackle has anything to do with it, I think and again correct if I’m wrong, if you pin an arm and tackle and the head hits the ground without being able to protect themselves they get suspended

So eradicate tacking? It was the perfect tackle. Dawson drove forward, no double motion.

 

[Cataholic]

I could be completely wrong here but I don’t think it being or not being a sling tackle has anything to do with it, I think and again correct if I’m wrong, if you pin an arm and tackle and the head hits the ground without being able to protect themselves they get suspended

Then tackling is dead.

 

[calder_daddy]

So eradicate tacking? It was the perfect tackle. Dawson drove forward, no double motion.

This is like hitting my head against a wall.
It hasn’t been a perfect tackle for years mate

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

This is like hitting my head against a wall.
It hasn’t been a perfect tackle for years mate

I know the point you're making, it doesn't make it right. Like I said before, the game is slowly dying.

 

[Cataholic]

This is like hitting my head against a wall.
It hasn’t been a perfect tackle for years mate

It was, and is, when viewed in the spirit of the game, but no, it doesn't conform with the hybrid game the AFL is steadily building in its place.

 

[calder_daddy]

I know the point you're making, it doesn't make it right. Like I said before, the game is slowly dying.

I agree it’s not right, I think I’m more calm than most because I called this would happen in the post game thread.

Regarding your other posts about Richmond odds, every week either myself or you talk up the opposition being rated more than they should be.
Richmond are really struggling, even with our current list I’m backing us to beat them by about 3 goals

 

[Cataholic]

I know the point you're making, it doesn't make it right. Like I said before, the game is slowly dying.

This.

In a few more short years the game will essentially be unrecognisable to those of us who've followed it for decades.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I agree it’s not right, I think I’m more calm than most because I called this would happen in the post game thread.

Regarding your other posts about Richmond odds, every week either myself or you talk up the opposition being rated more than they should be.
Richmond are really struggling, even with our current list I’m backing us to beat them by about 3 goals

Actually I only talked up the opposition in the first 4 weeks. We lost 3. Every week since I was confident in a win.

I'm generally one of the most optimistic on this board.

 

[cats_09]

I could be completely wrong here but I don’t think it being or not being a sling tackle has anything to do with it, I think and again correct if I’m wrong, if you pin an arm and tackle and the head hits the ground without being able to protect themselves they get suspended

Exactly this

As per the '2023 AFL Tribunal Guidelines' this is the definition for 'Rough Conduct (Dangerous Tackles), and it covers different aspects of the tackle - it's not limited to the notion of 2 actions, a sling or spear tackle, but does include pinning the arms with limited opportunity for the player to protect themselves

We may well challenge, but I can see the AFL arguing that Close showed a lack of duty of care/carelessness in his actions by pinning Dawson's arms which meant he had no way of protecting himself when going to ground

3. Rough Conduct (Dangerous Tackles)
The application of a tackle may be considered Rough Conduct which is unreasonable in the circumstances. In determining whether the application of a tackle constitutes a Reportable Offence and whether the offence is Careless or Intentional, without limitation, regard may be had to the following factors, whether:
» The tackle consists of more than one action, regardless of whether the Player being tackled is in possession of the ball;
» The tackle is of an inherently dangerous kind, such as a spear tackle or a tackle where a Player is lifted off the ground;
» The Player being tackled is in a vulnerable position (e.g. arm(s) pinned) with little opportunity to protect himself;
» An opponent is slung, driven or rotated into the ground with excessive force.

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

Exactly this

As per the '2023 AFL Tribunal Guidelines' this is the definition for 'Rough Conduct (Dangerous Tackles), and it covers different aspects of the tackle - it's not limited to the notion of 2 actions, a sling or spear tackle, but does include pinning the arms with limited opportunity for the player to protect themselves

We may well challenge, but I can see the AFL arguing that Close showed a lack of duty of care/carelessness in his actions by pinning Dawson's arms which meant he had no way of protecting himself when going to ground

3. Rough Conduct (Dangerous Tackles)
The application of a tackle may be considered Rough Conduct which is unreasonable in the circumstances. In determining whether the application of a tackle constitutes a Reportable Offence and whether the offence is Careless or Intentional, without limitation, regard may be had to the following factors, whether:
» The tackle consists of more than one action, regardless of whether the Player being tackled is in possession of the ball;
» The tackle is of an inherently dangerous kind, such as a spear tackle or a tackle where a Player is lifted off the ground;
» The Player being tackled is in a vulnerable position (e.g. arm(s) pinned) with little opportunity to protect himself;
» An opponent is slung, driven or rotated into the ground with excessive force.

So how did Oliver get off under those guidelines?

 

[calder_daddy]

Actually I only talked up the opposition in the first 4 weeks. We lost 3. Every week since I was confident in a win.

I'm generally one of the most optimistic on this board.

I meant it as either saying an opponent is either good or bad. It happens weekly and this week I will say the tigers aren’t very good
Very out of sorts atm

 

[calder_daddy]

So how did Oliver get off under those guidelines?

Because he’s a Brownlow chance. We all know it

 

[you pick one]

I could be completely wrong here but I don’t think it being or not being a sling tackle has anything to do with it, I think and again correct if I’m wrong, if you pin an arm and tackle and the head hits the ground without being able to protect themselves they get suspended

Your not wrong but it doesn't allow for what I believe happened in this case although Close was the tackler Dawson was the stronger man and more in control of the outcome than Close.

 

[Cataholic]

So how did Oliver get off under those guidelines?

They were drinking a different flavoured coffee that week??

 

[Jhye Clark 13]

I meant it as either saying an opponent is either good or bad. It happens weekly and this week I will say the tigers aren’t very good
Very out of sorts atm

I hope you're right.

 

[calder_daddy]

Your not wrong but it doesn't allow for what I believe happened in this case although Close was the tackler Dawson was the stronger man and more in control of the outcome than Close.

I know what you mean, if you remember years ago NicNat got suspended and part of the afl defense was you should be aware of your size
Was the biggest joke going around

 

[D BRIDGE]

So eradicate tacking? It was the perfect tackle. Dawson drove forward, no double motion.

That's what I'm saying... Players will look to milk frees and get other players suspended.

Not saying that's what Dawson wanted to do... but it'll 100% happen in the future.

 

[Kitcat]

Exactly this

As per the '2023 AFL Tribunal Guidelines' this is the definition for 'Rough Conduct (Dangerous Tackles), and it covers different aspects of the tackle - it's not limited to the notion of 2 actions, a sling or spear tackle, but does include pinning the arms with limited opportunity for the player to protect themselves

We may well challenge, but I can see the AFL arguing that Close showed a lack of duty of care/carelessness in his actions by pinning Dawson's arms which meant he had no way of protecting himself when going to ground

3. Rough Conduct (Dangerous Tackles)
The application of a tackle may be considered Rough Conduct which is unreasonable in the circumstances. In determining whether the application of a tackle constitutes a Reportable Offence and whether the offence is Careless or Intentional, without limitation, regard may be had to the following factors, whether:
» The tackle consists of more than one action, regardless of whether the Player being tackled is in possession of the ball;
» The tackle is of an inherently dangerous kind, such as a spear tackle or a tackle where a Player is lifted off the ground;
» The Player being tackled is in a vulnerable position (e.g. arm(s) pinned) with little opportunity to protect himself;
» An opponent is slung, driven or rotated into the ground with excessive force.

So they should adjust their tackle to hold only one arm, even though the tackling arms wrap around the body, including both arms. Difficult to execute.