Geelong rorting the system

[PhatBoy]

I have no trouble admitting Geelong have performed consistently well over the recent era.


It is you who has trouble admitting the Cats home ground is adding(by my reasonable estimation) around 2 wins differential per season. Ie 1 more win, 1 less loss.

2024 that drops them 3rd to 6th on the ladder for eg.
2023 drop 12th to 14th
2022 Still win flag - clear best team
2021 drop 3rd to 5th
2020 n/a
2019 1st to 3rd
2018 8th to still 8th
2017 2nd to 3rd or 4th
2016 2nd to 4th

Where they finished the h & a seasons v where they would have finished imo if their home ground was Docklands or MCG.

3, 12, 1, 3, 1, 8, 2, 2

v

6, 14, 1, 5, 3, 8, 3/4, 4

It is a big difference, especially in terms of home finals.

So they go from "revered for making top 4 cosistently" to mainly hovering outside the top 4. And to be fair, their finals performances reflect this perfectly.

But it doesn’t.

You have literally no proof of any of that. In 2024 we had the same record at home as we did everywhere else but you are trying to claim our percentage if we had less games at home would have dropped

Our record for the home and away season was 66 per cent. Our record at home was 66 per cent.

You are literally just plucking figures out of the air.

AND you are ignoring the fact that all the games we host there are against interstate teams who we would have a strong advantage over anyway if we hosted them in Melbourne, and frequently against the smaller Melbourne clubs and when we DO host the bigger ones, it’s generally when they are going shithouse ie. right now we get to host you because you’re playing like busted arses so chances are we beat you at the MCG anyway.

Throwing darts at a board and claiming ‘I made this cool mathematical formula with no holes’ doesn’t make you Oppenheimer. Suck it up, and grow a set of balls. Grow up you sad old man

 

[Meteoric Rise]

But it doesn’t.

You have literally no proof of any of that. In 2024 we had the same record at home as we did everywhere else but you are trying to claim our percentage if we had less games at home would have dropped

Our record for the home and away season was 66 per cent. Our record at home was 66 per cent.

You are literally just plucking figures out of the air.

AND you are ignoring the fact that all the games we host there are against interstate teams who we would have a strong advantage over anyway if we hosted them in Melbourne, and frequently against the smaller Melbourne clubs and when we DO host the bigger ones, it’s generally when they are going shithouse ie. right now we get to host you because you’re playing like busted arses so chances are we beat you at the MCG anyway.

Throwing darts at a board and claiming ‘I made this cool mathematical formula with no holes’ doesn’t make you Oppenheimer. Suck it up, and grow a set of balls. Grow up you sad old man

You are just being your usual toxic self now.

Supporters of 17 other clubs believe Geelong has a disproportionate HGA. Only some Cats supporters claim this is not true. The figure I gave is an average projected figure, of course it will be subject to season by season variance.

Of course there is no way of proving my projections beyond doubt, that is why I said they were imo. But your poiting to this lack of proof does nothing for your side of the argument, because it applies equally to what you are claiming. Even over the last 20 years Geelog has either the biggest or near enough differential between home game win % & away game win %.

HGA is accepted amongst people who apply scientific methods to working it out to derive from 2 sources.

1. Home crowd advantage(support for players, influece on umps etc.) Geelong in their home games would have one of the stronger benefits from this factor in the AFL, due to fewer opposition supporters attending than at most other home grounds.

2. Idiosyncrasies of the venue. This benefit is thought to be almost egligible at most grounds, because the differences between them are not that great. Obviously KP is the biggest outlier in terms of shape & size. So Geelong would clearly benefit the most in the competition from this factor.

To argue Geelong doesn't therefore have the greatest HGA in the AFL would seem to put you in denial of something that is obviously true. So I will leave you to get on with your tenacious denying and bid you good evening.

 

[PhatBoy]

You are just being your usual toxic self now.

Supporters of 17 other clubs believe Geelong has a disproportionate HGA. Only some Cats supporters claim this is not true. The figure I gave is an average projected figure, of course it will be subject to season by season variance.

Of course there is no way of proving my projections beyond doubt, that is why I said they were imo. But your poiting to this lack of proof does nothing for your side of the argument, because it applies equally to what you are claiming. Even over the last 20 years Geelog has either the biggest or near enough differential between home game win % & away game win %.

HGA is accepted amongst people who apply scientific methods to working it out to derive from 2 sources.

1. Home crowd advantage(support for players, influece on umps etc.) Geelong in their home games would have one of the stronger benefits from this factor in the AFL, due to fewer opposition supporters attending than at most other home grounds.

2. Idiosyncrasies of the venue. This benefit is thought to be almost egligible at most grounds, because the differences between them are not that great. Obviously KP is the biggest outlier in terms of shape & size. So Geelong would clearly benefit the most in the competition from this factor.

To argue Geelong doesn't therefore have the greatest HGA in the AFL would seem to put you in denial of something that is obviously true. So I will leave you to get on with your tenacious denying and bid you good evening.

Bid me whatever you want.

Using a ‘scientific method’ and ignoring the fact that a team has a completely different set of teams that it hosts and then claiming it only has a good home record because of the ground shape is not what I’d call science.

‘hey you win because you train there and it has a weird shape.’

‘Buuuuut…. We get scheduled to host teams we’d probably be expected to beat most of the time if we hosted them in Melbourne anyway. Interstate sides, poorly performing Melbourne teams…. So that doesn’t make a lot of sense. The other teams’ home ground percentages are based around hosting everyone because that’s who they host: everyone. And anyway, how do you explain that we outperform all the other teams on the road?’

‘Science, but.’

 

[Sttew]

Supporters of 17 other clubs believe Geelong has a disproportionate HGA. Only some Cats supporters claim this is not true. The figure I gave is an average projected figure, of course it will be subject to season by season variance.

Your post is unintentionally funny.

Richmond may not have won the 2017 GF if its first final HADN'T been played at the MCG, your home ground. You will recall Geelong finished 2nd on the H&A ladder...

So don't go talking about disproportionate HGA's.

Also, Geelong has played at Kardinia Park for 81 years. Only in recent years do you complain about a disproportionate HGA. I wonder why?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Your post is unintentionally funny.

Richmond probably would not have won the 2017 GF if its first final hadn't been played at the MCG, your home ground. You will recall Geelong finished 2nd on the H&A ladder...

So don't go talking about disproportionate HGA's. Geelong has played at Kardinia Park for 81 years!!!

Yep because teams who smash their way through 3 finals with a minimum winning margin of 6 goals & a percentage of 180% probably wouldn't have won those games at a different venue.

Cats fans are in tatters now over this. First they argue Cats have no discernible home ground advantage at a weird shaped outlier ground their average oppenent plays less than 2% of their games on & Cats train on it full time. Then here we are, seamlessly switching to Richmond has at least a 9 goal home advantage playing at the MCG against Geelong - who plays aroud 35% of their matches there, including a couple of home games per season.

And you say my post is unintentionally funny. You are a mess.

 

[Sttew]

Yep because teams who smash their way through 3 finals with a minimum winning margin of 6 goals & a percentage of 180% probably wouldn't have won those games at a different venue.

Cats fans are in tatters now over this. First they argue Cats have no discernible home ground advantage at a weird shaped outlier ground their average oppenent plays less than 2% of their games on & Cats train on it full time. Then here we are, seamlessly switching to Richmond has at least a 9 goal home advantage playing at the MCG against Geelong - who plays aroud 35% of their matches there, including a couple of home games per season.

And you say my post is unintentionally funny. You are a mess.

I edited my post to say "may not" . If you had bothered checking.

We aren't in tatters, as it is water under the bridge, and I wouldn't have bothered mentioning this if not for your outlandish post!!. For you to bleat over "disproportionate home ground advantages" is just so hypocritical. You really need to think before you post!

 

[Meteoric Rise]

I edited my post to say "may not" . If you had bothered checking.

We aren't in tatters, as it is water under the bridge, and I wouldn't have bothered mentioning this if not for your outlandish post!!. For you to bleat over "disproportionate home ground advantages" is just so hypocritical. You really need to think before you post!

Ah ok, so it is my fault you sttewpidly claim Cats hga makes no real difference on one hand, but Richmond's hga is 9 goals+ on the other hand. I forced you to make that claim.

Your fellow Cats fans will be fuming at you. You have single-handedly brought down their 1-wood defence to accusations their hga is very telling, ie that it shouldn't make any difference, teams should be able to play equally well anywhere.

....Until Geelong meets Richmond in a final at the MCG we have now learned, then hga makes at least a 9 goal difference.

Just do me one favour Sttewpid, please don't ever join our side of the argument.

 

[Sttew]

Ah ok, so it is my fault you sttewpidly claim Cats hga makes no real difference on one hand, but Richmond's hga is 9 goals+ on the other hand. I forced you to make that claim.

Your fellow Cats fans will be fuming at you. You have single-handedly brought down their 1-wood defence to accusations their hga is very telling, ie that it shouldn't make any difference, teams should be able to play equally well anywhere.

....Until Geelong meets Richmond in a final at the MCG we have now learned, then hga makes at least a 9 goal difference.

Just do me one favour Sttewpid, please don't ever join our side of the argument.

No idea what you are rambling about and don't care.

Just don't talk about disproportionate home ground advantages without acknowledging the disproportionate advantage your team has whenever it plays finals which is every 25 or so years

 

[PhatBoy]

Yep because teams who smash their way through 3 finals with a minimum winning margin of 6 goals & a percentage of 180% probably wouldn't have won those games at a different venue.

Cats fans are in tatters now over this. First they argue Cats have no discernible home ground advantage at a weird shaped outlier ground their average oppenent plays less than 2% of their games on & Cats train on it full time. Then here we are, seamlessly switching to Richmond has at least a 9 goal home advantage playing at the MCG against Geelong - who plays aroud 35% of their matches there, including a couple of home games per season.

And you say my post is unintentionally funny. You are a mess.

‘They’?

Who is they?

I haven’t argued that.

You were the better side and as far as I’m concerned would have beaten us anywhere. You played better football and deserved to win.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

‘They’?

Who is they?

I haven’t argued that.

You were the better side and as far as I’m concerned would have beaten us anywhere. You played better football and deserved to win.

That is so big of you PB, considering we more than doubled your score.

 

[PhatBoy]

That is so big of you PB, cosidering we more than doubled your score.

Who cares. You smacked us.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Who cares. You smacked us.

That's what I just said.

 

[PhatBoy]

That's what I just said.

Yeah I know. You say a lot of things, many of them over and over

 

[HairyO]

There's no rules about what the shape has to be but it is 2024 and it's laughable Geelong think their ground is acceptable in the modern era.

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/document/2022/03/28/6d92ed7c-efc2-44dc-86bc-9fa1d9b338ad/2022-Laws-of-the-Game-Booklet.pdf

3.2 PLAYING SURFACE(a) The Playing Surface shall be:
(i) oval in shape;

Its item 1 in the list.

 

[PhatBoy]

https://resources.afl.com.au/afl/document/2022/03/28/6d92ed7c-efc2-44dc-86bc-9fa1d9b338ad/2022-Laws-of-the-Game-Booklet.pdf

3.2 PLAYING SURFACE(a) The Playing Surface shall be:
(i) oval in shape;

Its item 1 in the list.

I’d say we comply pretty well

Edit: apologies that was our ‘before’ photo.

Here’s our drastically different ‘after’ one which by my reckoning actually has one slightly WIDER wing, while one end has been brought in a few metres for a grandstand which has made the pockets a bit squarer. Wow. Huge mutations Aristotle.

 

[STPer18]

Wow, a tidy net profit this year largely thanks to the wonderful Kardinia Park and the new Joel Selwood Stand. Thank you Melburnians.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Yeah I know. You say a lot of things, many of them over and over

Lol, I see what you did there.

You are proposing to fix the problem of me repeating myself....by you repeating me instead.

It is novel, I will give you that.

 

[Elixuh]

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I’d say we comply pretty well

Edit: apologies that was our ‘before’ photo.

Here’s our drastically different ‘after’ one which by my reckoning actually has one slightly WIDER wing, while one end has been brought in a few metres for a grandstand which has made the pockets a bit squarer. Wow. Huge mutations Aristotle.

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I don’t think an oval shape has one section which is straight like Pork Barrel Park

 

[PhatBoy]

I don’t think an oval shape has one section which is straight like Pork Barrel Park

And what proximity to an oval would you say the MCG is, pray tell

 

[STPer18]

Fun fact: Kardinia Park is now a larger capacity stadium than the Brisbane Cricket Ground aka the Gabba.

The former recently receiving upgrades, most notably The Joel Selwood Stand, whereas the latter had to have its capacity reduced due to modern scoreboards and corporate facilities cutting into its seating areas.

 

[Giant Pete]

I’m not sure why people bang on about KP as home ground advantage… we find it pretty easy to play there.

 

[Mr Meow]

Is that better or worse than Gary Rohan cheating on his wife and the memory of his dead baby on Geelong's dime? Just to b clear.

I wasn't even aware Rohan was coach - smart pick up!

 

[simba_]

Mature response.

I'm guessing your only "evidence" will end up being the debunked association with Robinson, that we've been cleared by ASADA in relation to.

the proof is in the pudding

 

[dazbroncos]

Again with all due respect, that’s not proof that he gave up anything. He ‘pledged’ that he would, but did he actually follow through? You don’t know for certain. You’ve read a couple of articles and because it makes Geelong look good you automatically believe it. And if you take anything the AFL says as gospel, more fool you.

So Dusty pledged not to fail drug tests and hang out with convicted killers but did he?

AM I doing it right?

GO Catters

 

[BF Tiger]

I wasn't even aware Rohan was coach - smart pick up!

Good point. As a player Rohan was likely more of a role model for young kids.