Geelong rorting the system

[Purple Suit]

Geelong fans now want to decide what nickname the club gets. The entitlement is strong.

 

[randyzany]

Geelong fans now want to decide what nickname the club gets. The entitlement is strong.

I was under the impression that trollish nicknames were banned (i.e. Norf, Carltank, Essendope, etc..) on BF besides Bay 13. This rule was introduced years ago so maybe things have changed and mods are more lax and lenient about it now.

IMO handbagger has a sort of derisive sexual minority (gay, bi, etc…) undertones to it, mainly used back in the day to mock a man suspected of being gay/bi for not being a real man because he did not adhere to the stereotype of a straight male by choosing to sport a male handbag or some other attribute considered 'soft' and not manly.

Interestingly enough Don Scott, a former Hawthorn star, used to be a fan of male handbags and I'm reasonably sure he is gay even if he's never officially come out publicly. Don’t really recall a Geelong player ever having those proclivities though.

Surprised no one has kicked up a fuss about its popular use as a term to clearly denigrate someone for being less of a man because they are suspected of not being heterosexual. Similar how the word gay not long ago was used to denote something that was ‘lame’ and that was eventually phased out.

 

[captain bloodsport]

I was under the impression that trollish nicknames were banned (i.e. Norf, Carltank, Essendope, etc..) on BF besides Bay 13. This rule was introduced years ago so maybe things have changed and mods are more lax and lenient about it now.

IMO handbagger has a sort of derisive sexual minority (gay, bi, etc…) undertones to it, mainly used back in the day to mock a man suspected of being gay/bi for not being a real man because he did not adhere to the stereotype of a straight male by choosing to sport a male handbag or some other attribute considered 'soft' and not manly.

Interestingly enough Don Scott, a former Hawthorn star, used to be a fan of male handbags and I'm reasonably sure he is gay even if he's never officially come out publicly. Don’t really recall a Geelong player ever having those proclivities though.

Surprised no one has kicked up a fuss about its popular use as a term to clearly denigrate someone for being less of a man because they are suspected of not being heterosexual. Similar how the word gay not long ago was used to denote something that was ‘lame’ and that was eventually phased out.

Lol you complain about the undertones of homophobia and then call someone gay you don't even know.

 

[Boston tiger]

Probably came from Lou giving a bit of push back from the Colliwobbles that was really strong around the same time.

 

[randyzany]

Lol you complain about the undertones of homophobia and then call someone gay you don't even know.

Come again?

I wasn’t calling anyone gay. Just wondering why one homophobic usage has been more or less gradually phased out and deemed offensive. The example I gave was calling someone or something gay as in insult to mean ‘lame’, something that was fairly common in the 90s and 2000s.

Whereas ‘handbagger’, a term that from what I've read originated in the 60s, if not even earlier, to demean a male by alluding to him being a homosexual and therefore not a ‘real’ man, remains at least in the footy vernacular.

 

[STPer18]

Probably came from Lou giving a bit of push back from the Colliwobbles that was really strong around the same time.

It is one of many enduring legacies from the late — and great — Lou Richards.

But why the ‘handbaggers’?

Back in the ‘70s, it was seen as good humour to use imagery that saw the football-playing men — hard, bloodied and ferocious — as women, dressed in skirts, sipping tea and colour co-ordinating their handbags with their cardigans.

And yeah, it still works in the modern day, but you run the risk of the new-age warrior penning a column, blog or Facebook rant about your approach.

Louie handed the Cats that title through their ‘pretty boy’ ways. Think a young Sam Newman, the handball-style that would see them now as revolutionaries or not implementing a game plan through fear of being physically hurt by other men.

They ran the ball and it was pretty to watch. Heck, Polly Farmer could put the ball through a car window from some 30m away — why wouldn’t you exploit that?

But back when the style of play was a ‘kick down the line in the hope of a pack mark’ and avoiding a broken jaw, the handball-style was viewed as bruise-free footy.

 

[randyzany]

Before my time but damn given that all current teams base their game plan on the style Geelong of the 70s pioneered, that means the entire league is full of ‘handbaggers’. lol

Pretty sure that, again from what I’ve heard/read, the term handbagger was also popular in the UK in the 60s so that’s where I suspect Lou got the idea from; it was not a completely original word he made up.

 

[Purple Suit]

Before my time but damn given that all current teams base their game plan on the style Geelong of the 70s pioneered, that means the entire league is full of ‘handbaggers’. lol

Wow, now the whole AFL have just copied Geelong. Stop believing your team song and hoarding all the tickets on yourself.

 

[randyzany]

Wow, now the whole AFL have just copied Geelong. Stop believing your team song and hoarding all the tickets on yourself.

Difficult to ascertain tone from written words, but they were meant mostly tongue-in-cheek. Mostly. ;-)

On a serious note hard to deny though that Geelong are the fathers of modern day football and pilloried for it at the time.

 

[captain bloodsport]

Come again?

I wasn’t calling anyone gay. Just wondering why one homophobic usage has been more or less gradually phased out and deemed offensive. The example I gave was calling someone or something gay as in insult to mean ‘lame’, something that was fairly common in the 90s and 2000s.

Whereas ‘handbagger’, a term that from what I've read originated in the 60s, if not even earlier, to demean a male by alluding to him being a homosexual and therefore not a ‘real’ man, remains at least in the footy vernacular.

Why are you so interested if Don Scott was gay?

 

[Purple Suit]

Difficult to ascertain tone from written words, but they were meant mostly tongue-in-cheek. Mostly. ;-)

On a serious note hard to deny though that Geelong are the fathers of modern day football and pilloried for it at the time.

The game has evolved over the past 150 years. A lot of players, coaches, teams and administrators have influenced this evolution. Claiming your one link in the chain is more important than others isn’t how evolution or even chains work.

Gerard Neesham had Freo playing modern possession footy in 1995 before it was a thing too but you don’t see anyone claiming it should get special consideration in footy folk law. But I suppose Freo doesn’t want to include 1800 flags from other comps either.

 

[blackey]

They take the PI55 paying no rent while the get a 150 mill tax payer upgrade on a stadium that hosts 9 footy games an a cancelled t20.
No other events.
The non Geelong supporting tax/rate payers are getting F**ked Up The A55 big time

 

[STPer18]

What ever happened to that Morris Finance faux-outrage? The AFL tried to appease the keyboard warriors and then our fearless leaders at AFL house and all the opposition fans who feigned anger went completely limp almost immediately, meanwhile Great Scott is still on the Morris books. Not even a follow-up on the 'investigation' status.

Geelong won - again.

 

[PhatBoy]

They take the PI55 paying no rent while the get a 150 mill tax payer upgrade on a stadium that hosts 9 footy games an a cancelled t20.
No other events.
The non Geelong supporting tax/rate payers are getting F**ked Up The A55 big time

It must be hard playing at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. I hope you guys can get through it

 

[My Tilly]

"Louie handed the Cats that title through their ‘pretty boy’ ways. Think a young Sam Newman, the handball-style that would see them now as revolutionaries or not implementing a game plan through fear of being physically hurt by other men"

Sam Newman rarely avoided physicality. In fact, there's a game early on in his career when St Kilda's Carl Ditterich tried his best to bully to him into submission only to come to the realization Sam was a bit of a narcissist and ended up turning the tables on big Carl who was often beaten mentally when it came to the physical side of their one-on-one duels.

Sam Newman is a bit underrated due to his celebrity profile and television work. In his day, was one of the best ruckman of his generation. One of only a few who would be perfect in today's era as he could play multiple positions and ran all day.

 

[PhatBoy]

"Louie handed the Cats that title through their ‘pretty boy’ ways. Think a young Sam Newman, the handball-style that would see them now as revolutionaries or not implementing a game plan through fear of being physically hurt by other men"

Sam Newman rarely avoided physicality. In fact, there's a game early on in his career when St Kilda's Carl Ditterich tried his best to bully to him into submission only to come to the realization Sam was a bit of a narcissist and ended up turning the tables on big Carl who was often beaten mentally when it came to the physical side of their one-on-one duels.

Sam Newman is a bit underrated due to his celebrity profile and television work. In his day, was one of the best ruckman of his generation. One of only a few who would be perfect in today's era as he could play multiple positions and ran all day.

There is a part of me, though I don’t really buy into any of the macho crap that goes on in the game at times and use of terms like handbaggers etc is an example of that, that wishes that maybe one of our flags - or a future one - was built on physicality rather than just being a skill-based team.


We had plenty of tough nuts don’t get me wrong and we were a team that I don’t think could ever ‘be bullied’ as such - we were tough enough to cope with it, we had our handful of hard nuts to cop it and in a few cases give it back, and eventually we would back ourselves to try and win based on game plan and skill.

But I don’t think we were ever ‘the bullies’ as it were.

There are times when we maybe aren’t playing our best footy or there have been finals series where I haven’t felt like we’ve been the best team in it but I’ve just thought ‘why not just have a go at trying to go out and just bust them up.’

Equally though I know you don’t just assemble 22 guys that can do that overnight and sides like Brisbane and Hawthorn got to that point over a long period of time

 

[captain bloodsport]

There is a part of me, though I don’t really buy into any of the macho crap that goes on in the game at times and use of terms like handbaggers etc is an example of that, that wishes that maybe one of our flags - or a future one - was built on physicality rather than just being a skill-based team.


We had plenty of tough nuts don’t get me wrong and we were a team that I don’t think could ever ‘be bullied’ as such - we were tough enough to cope with it, we had our handful of hard nuts to cop it and in a few cases give it back, and eventually we would back ourselves to try and win based on game plan and skill.

But I don’t think we were ever ‘the bullies’ as it were.

There are times when we maybe aren’t playing our best footy or there have been finals series where I haven’t felt like we’ve been the best team in it but I’ve just thought ‘why not just have a go at trying to go out and just bust them up.’

Equally though I know you don’t just assemble 22 guys that can do that overnight and sides like Brisbane and Hawthorn got to that point over a long period of time

 

[PhatBoy]

Good one