Geelong Sliding Doors

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Grundy was touted as a top 3 pick and slid a long way. Given he had two great seasons and then phoned it in after getting the massive long term deal all the recruiters that overlooked him are vindicated to an extent. Obviously still would have turned out better than Thurlow but the recruiters were not wrong to have the concerns.
 
I remember backing in Wells when he selected Thurlow over Grundy. Honestly felt Thurlow would have a tremendous career but looking back, Grundy would have been sensational.

There was one final where Scott dropped a ruckman and we faced Collingwood. Grundy absolutely slaughtered us and was the difference in the game 🙁
 

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Had Varcoe kicked that, goal and we'd have overrun Hawthorn in extra time, either we'd have never traded him or Fremantle would have won a premiership

Varcoe was always going in 2014 regardless because we were deep into dangerfield and selwood (scott).
I think if we had made it through freo would have won-i struggle to see us beating their ruck and midfield with our makeshift rucks we had. Realistically our chances that year went when Simpson and McIntosh got injured.
 
Grundy was touted as a top 3 pick and slid a long way. Given he had two great seasons and then phoned it in after getting the massive long term deal all the recruiters that overlooked him are vindicated to an extent. Obviously still would have turned out better than Thurlow but the recruiters were not wrong to have the concerns.

That year was odd because gws had so many early picks and he made it clear to them he wouldn't stay so they passed. And a few clubs after them didn't need rucks. But we did-we had drafted orren at 29 the year before then turfed him for hmac who was 28 and injury prone.
We should have taken grundy and traded one of our other rucks as they all fell by the wayside anyway.

I’m still mad at the club for picking Thurlow over Grundy it Probbly cost us a Flag or two in all honesty

It certainly did particularly in the pre 2022 years.
 
What if we won in 2008, would the Saints have won the flag in 2009

Maybe the saints do win 09 if we win 08 (that was one of the most classic GFs I've seen).

But for me 2008 was still so unforgivable with the way we gave it away with goalkicking it was unforgivably crap.
For me it's the same as how bad 2019 (the prelim performance was bad but stuffing the QF vs coll with no ruck was even worse) was and how awful the 2024 prelim was. I can live with 2020 as it was a covid year and that was one of the great Dustin Martin games with a good team (although we still had enough momentum to win it) and in 2021 I don't think we were that good. But in 08 19 and 24 we were clearly the best team in it. And in the latter 2 years it was even worse as we basically had floggable GF opponents if we got there.
 
But in 08 19 and 24 we were clearly the best team in it. And in the latter 2 years it was even worse as we basically had floggable GF opponents if we got there.
Yes, and it was so abundantly clear that approximately 80% of people, including this board, had us going out in straight sets or getting pumped in a prelim just 3 weeks prior.

'08 without doubt. It was a failure of the highest order, and with a truly great side that should have won at least one more.

It's laughable to lump the other two in with that failure.

I mean really, weren't you the guy crowing all year that there was no standout side? and now you've suddenly jumped to us being "clearly the best team in it"?

It's the sort of thing we laugh at Richmond and Collingwood supporters for doing. It's just delusional revisionist history based on nothing but team bias.

Sometimes we're not the best, and you just gotta live with it.
 
It's the silly season. I miss footy. I'm bored.

What are some of the more niche sliding doors moments that coulda-been for this footy club? I don't mean the big done-to-death stuff like "Ablett Jr decides to stay", "Sidebottom gets on the bus", or "Grundy over Thurlow" - I mean the little single-moment things that would have made a huge difference.
  • David Spriggs doesn't go to the beach at Lorne one day over preseason. Should have been the best of his draft class
  • Geelong doesn't blow a grand a game on Brian Peake, and can later afford to keep Greg Williams.
  • Ablett Sr doesn't get suspended in the 1991 finals series. Same goes for Chapman 2013 and Hawkins 2019, I guess.
Love the thread, but..
Spriggs was a very limited player and that he got his speed back, which is all he had really, is relevant, so that would not be high on my list.

Apart from all the usual moments we all remember,

For me, missing out on Paul Salmon, which many don't realise, was huge. He chose Hawthorn, purely for family reasons, and was VERY close to being a Cat, at exactly the time we needed him.
 
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Maybe the saints do win 09 if we win 08 (that was one of the most classic GFs I've seen).

But for me 2008 was still so unforgivable with the way we gave it away with goalkicking it was unforgivably crap.
For me it's the same as how bad 2019 (the prelim performance was bad but stuffing the QF vs coll with no ruck was even worse) was and how awful the 2024 prelim was. I can live with 2020 as it was a covid year and that was one of the great Dustin Martin games with a good team (although we still had enough momentum to win it) and in 2021 I don't think we were that good. But in 08 19 and 24 we were clearly the best team in it. And in the latter 2 years it was even worse as we basically had floggable GF opponents if we got there.
08, Yes
19- maybe
24- we all have our opinions, BUT...no way were we clearly the best team in it. Imho. There is very little evidence for you to back that up.
 
Love the thread, but..
1. Spriggs was a very limited player and that he got his speed back, which is all he had really, is relevant, so that would not be high on my list.
2. Keeping Williams and Toohey would have been big.
For me, missing out on Paul Salmon, which many don't realise, was huge. He chose Hawthorn, purely for family reasons, and was VERY close to being a Cat, at exactly the time we needed him.
Limited players dont dominate the way spriggs did in his first two seasons. Yes he kicking was awful but so are plenty of gun players.
 
Nathan ablett.
Menzel
Greg Williams
Paul lynch
Nakia cockatoo.
Barry stoneham broken leg.
Free against mooney in 2010 saints final
Chapman sub in 2013 first final (and dodgy suspension in the prelim)
Hawkins getting suspended for 2019 prelim.
All the rubbish frees against in last years prelim

:-(
 
Limited players dont dominate the way spriggs did in his first two seasons. Yes he kicking was awful but so are plenty of gun players.

Had a mate say before he played a game he was going to be a star so I watched with intent..... 'was good ordinary player at best', anyone that says otherwise is grossly overestimating his playing capabilities.
 

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Nathan ablett. - Mentally was not up to being AFL elite
Menzel - Great shame as was going to be a gun
Greg Williams - 'Huge loss' and for 50K extra PA was a diabolical error
Paul lynch - Not elite but was going to be a very good footballer
Nakia cockatoo. - Great athletic but lacked football nous and composure
Barry stoneham broken leg. - Cost Stoneham & Cats huge that broken leg as was on fire at time
Free against mooney in 2010 saints final - 'In play' and at time, Mooney told umpire as much that he cost us the game
Chapman sub in 2013 first final (and dodgy suspension in the prelim) - Champan & Enright missing made 'BIG difference'
Hawkins getting suspended for 2019 prelim. - We had a bad run of dodgy suspensions or line ball that may have cost us in finals
All the rubbish frees against in last years prelim - Referring this years? if so, needed Holmes not getting injured and for Stengle to play a half decent game

:-(
 
Interesting point about dodgy suspensions there Gazza Greatness. I still remember when Billy Brownless was suspended for two games after the 1991 second semi-final for what was only referred to as a "reportable offence", so we couldn't really defend it at the tribunal as we didn't know what it was that he was meant to have done in the first place.

We ended up having to play the Preliminary Final against the Eagles without both Brownless and Ablett, who was suspended in the elimination final for 3 weeks for striking (which was fair enough too), yet only lost by 15 points. Would having either one of those two, or even both, have been enough to see us get over the line?
 
Interesting point about dodgy suspensions there Gazza Greatness. I still remember when Billy Brownless was suspended for two games after the 1991 second semi-final for what was only referred to as a "reportable offence", so we couldn't really defend it at the tribunal as we didn't know what it was that he was meant to have done in the first place.

We ended up having to play the Preliminary Final against the Eagles without both Brownless and Ablett, who was suspended in the elimination final for 3 weeks for striking (which was fair enough too), yet only lost by 15 points. Would having either one of those two, or even both, have been enough to see us get over the line?

We've had too many suspensions in finals which has been so disappointing coz there so hard to win, but it's normally been our elite players rubbed out not the bottom six. Bottom line, none of these suspensions were as bad as what Barry Hall did in the Prelim in 2005, but he miraculously got off and the Swans won the 2005 flag by 4 points with Barry Hall taking a game high 10 marks..... go figure!

 
Limited players dont dominate the way spriggs did in his first two seasons. Yes he kicking was awful but so are plenty of gun players.
He regained his speed. Wojo missed a whole season ACL- it did not deter him from reaching his potential. Spriggs was feisty in his first 2 seasons, but just a D grader after that. The injury was not significant enough to be responsible for his last 3 seasons. "Gun" is not appropriate.
 
I remember backing in Wells when he selected Thurlow over Grundy. Honestly felt Thurlow would have a tremendous career but looking back, Grundy would have been sensational.

There was one final where Scott dropped a ruckman and we faced Collingwood. Grundy absolutely slaughtered us and was the difference in the game 🙁

Thurlow looked very promising before doing his knee.
 
Referring this years? if so, needed Holmes not getting injured and for Stengle to play a half decent game
In an interview on K-Rock Holmes eluded to the fact that it was all mental in the prelim and he was worried about doing the hammy again and the possibility of not playing the following week had we made it.
I don’t think he hadn’t actually done it. Could be wrong but that’s how I took it when I listened to it.

 
In an interview on K-Rock Holmes eluded to the fact that it was all mental in the prelim and he was worried about doing the hammy again and the possibility of not playing the following week had we made it.
I don’t think he hadn’t actually done it. Could be wrong but that’s how I took it when I listened to it.


I took it to be a reaction like bad cramps to having been sick with gastro all week. But yeah it sounds like it wasn't anything structural.
 
Had a mate say before he played a game he was going to be a star so I watched with intent..... 'was good ordinary player at best', anyone that says otherwise is grossly overestimating his playing capabilities.
I never thought he would be a star. But you dont play games like he did in your first two seasons without the potential to be a very good player. Drafted same year as corey, chapman and ling. While those guys were playing vfl he was playing a critical role in our midfield. Only selwood as a young player has had a better first two seasons for us. Spriggs was great at winning the hard ball but also had pace and zip and a good shimmy at the same time. Those qualties together are rare.

Lost his pace and strength in the contest. Only conclusion is injury given how young he was.
 
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He regained his speed. Wojo missed a whole season ACL- it did not deter him from reaching his potential. Spriggs was feisty in his first 2 seasons, but just a D grader after that. The injury was not significant enough to be responsible for his last 3 seasons. "Gun" is not appropriate.
So he got significantly worse after his second season despite getting older. Why do you think that might be? Nearly everyone gets noticably better and some plateau as they go from their second season to their third? Virtually none get significantly worse unless injury or mental issues have a say.
 
So he got significantly worse after his second season despite getting older. Why do you think that might be? Nearly everyone gets noticably better and some plateau as they go from their second season to their third? Virtually none get significantly worse unless injury or mental issues have a say.
Many players do not live up to whatever you expect of them, even after an interesting start. If that ankle caused his playing to be dismal, but not his running, that's interesting. He was still one of the quickest at the Swans too. Not many injuries cause inability to kick or anticipate or execute, yet no change on gut running and acceleration. We see it differently. I was there for his first game, and liked what we saw- guts and determination, but he just never improved. Of course, injury initially was looked at by all of us, but clearly, that was not it 5 years later.
Do you remember David Clarke jnr? A similar player. Started really well, superquick and fit, had many games where he set us alight, and looked like the son of a gun, then mysteriously lost form, confidence and seemingly the plot. It happens. Will be remembered as a C grade player at best. Spriggs, even less.
 
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In an interview on K-Rock Holmes eluded to the fact that it was all mental in the prelim and he was worried about doing the hammy again and the possibility of not playing the following week had we made it.
I don’t think he hadn’t actually done it. Could be wrong but that’s how I took it when I listened to it.


That being the case MF and with hindsight knowing we may/WOULD lose...... would he have stayed on and given it his best shot and we WIN !!!
 

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